Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II

[Kovalev27]

It's a myth because nobody in the Rangers organization has said this. It was the NBC crew

That’s not entirely true and certainly doesn’t make it a myth when McKenzie and crew are saying it. and ifyou recall how pissed gordie Clark was with his showings at traverse city etc it was abundantly clear they thought he was much further along.

 

[Irishguy42]

Hits 40 games on the active roster with tonight's game.

Accrues an RFA year.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

That wasn’t a myth it just seems like one now when you see where he’s at in his development

If its not a myth show me an expert or someone in this org that said he was Nhl ready?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The high end motor argument is really weird to me. .. .I never really see that in his game. Not the speed. .. the motor.

Half his shifts he's gliding out there...the reason I never notice him do a ton is because he's not .moving his feet....that's the strangest thing about his game...the 2 aspects people used to point to his strengths....effort and strength\board play are inferior. He's not a good board player and is constantly out muscled out there. I'd also call him very floaty out there as well.

There's plenty of times he's the 3rd man high but it usually seems to be because he's not moving his feet to get into the play.

There's a few shifts I've seen where he's kept his feet moving the whole time...and all of those shifts have stood out as being good ones.

Lias' also needs to work on his endurance as well...it sure seems like his shift length is way shorter than the rest of the team...

Agreed. There are certain people on here who I think are watching a completely different player than we are. I don't even know how to address certain opinions due to how insane they are.

I like Lias and I think he will be a very solid NHLer for us. But this is all very accurate. He has a lot in his game to clean up.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I remember Clarke basically ripping Lias to shreds for whatever tournament it was after he got drafted

I don't even think the video exists anymore because they pulled it shortly after it went up haha

 

[Vitto79]

I’m gonna take a wait and see approach to all the kids cause they likely improve a lot next year

 

[Harbour Dog]

I remember Clarke basically ripping Lias to shreds for whatever tournament it was after he got drafted

I don't even think the video exists anymore because they pulled it shortly after it went up haha

He tore into the majority of the team for the Traverse City Tournament that year, if that's what you're thinking of. Lias was certainly no exception.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Lias Lovers have officially been in denial for longer than Lettieri has been in the Quinn Bin. Hold on tightly to your dreams of Lias panning out to be a middle 6 guy in our system. No way does that happen unless we move half our roster. Way too vanilla. Let's think logically here. With guys like JT, Kreider, Hayes, Nieves, hell even Lettieri, you can identify early on, as rookies, the talent that has gotten them to the NHL. It's unrefined, but it's identifiable. I'm still scratching my head trying to find any standout raw talent on Lias. His current game is that of a career AHLer IMO.

You're the same guy that proposed Georgiev, Pionk, Strome and Fast for Matthews a few days ago, so pardon me for not giving a damn about your opinion when it comes down to anything hockey related.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

to me he is a big disappointment so far, I expected more out of 7th overall pick who was supposed to be one of the most NHL ready prospects of that draft.

You know what they say about expectations, right?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

He tore into the majority of the team for the Traverse City Tournament that year, if that's what you're thinking of. Lias was certainly no exception.

He called out most of them but I remember it being very critical of Lias specifically. Again I don't remember what the tournament was, and the video like doesn't come up anymore

 

[Harbour Dog]

He called out most of them but I remember it being very critical of Lias specifically. Again I don't remember what the tournament was, and the video like doesn't come up anymore

I'd guess it was that tourney. I don't remember his specific comments, but they definitely caught him at a moment when he wasn't ready to mince his words.

And Lias and Bereglazov were my two biggest disappointments from that tournament. Both accustomed to playing against men, both came in with a fair amount of hype, and both barely differentiated themselves from the scrubs at the bottom of each roster.

 

[Inferno]

I think he said something Along the lines of. .. lias' was just ok.

I'll go look it up 1 minute.

 

[Inferno]

• On Lias Andersson, "he had a very average camp, he is maybe tired or whatever but he's gonna have to pick it up for the big camp."

SNY

 

[Inferno]

It's funny...that comment by Gordie is kinda how lias' has played this entire time...he's been like...ok. he hasn't stood out as being great and he certainly needs to pick it up.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

You're the same guy that proposed Georgiev, Pionk, Strome and Fast for Matthews a few days ago, so pardon me for not giving a damn about your opinion when it comes down to anything hockey related.

You took that seriously? Just having a little fun with the Leafs board. It’s been a slow season. What’s with all the Lias Lovers coming after me personally instead of defending Lias...

 

[Inferno]

You took that seriously? Just having a little fun with the Leafs board. It’s been a slow season. What’s with all the Lias Lovers coming after me personally instead of defending Lias...

Lias' is really hard to figure out though. You can't deny his production everywhere else. You can't deny there's plenty of poor skating effective players out there right now...heck Derek stepan was our top line center his entire tenure and he skated like crap.

There's a disconnect though between the other levels and what I'm seeing here.

I'm not ready to write him off just yet, however all in seeing right now just judging by his actual NHL body of work, is a decent 4th line center. Nothing more.

If he can find a way to improve all his aspects that worked for him in other leagues and have it translate here, then, statistically you can see a 2nd line center...but right now the statistically at other levels just don't seem to match what my eyes are showing me here.

And who is he playing with now? Strome and vesey, the rangers 4th and 5th best goal scorers. So say what you will about putting him in a position to succeed, he's getting minutes with players who have produced this year and hasn't done much with it.

And the most insane thing right now is, people are talking about his defensive play...he's got the 3rd worst plus minus on this team in a little more than half the games anyone else has played.
Tough look there...even in a meaningless stat like that, it's alarming.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

You took that seriously? Just having a little fun with the Leafs board. It’s been a slow season. What’s with all the Lias Lovers coming after me personally instead of defending Lias...

Not a Lias Lover, and yes I took you seriously because you were, being serious.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Not a Lias Lover, and yes I took you seriously because you were, being serious.

Wait until you see my trade proposal after tonight's game

 

[Konamic Ice Hockey]

Nothing you just said has been shown at the nhl level.

Good spots? I can count on one hand how many offensive chances he’s had or created this season. He can’t get to good spots.

He’s been awful defensively so I’m not sure where the play away from the puck is a plus.

His motor is non existent. There is no motor. He’s nowhere to be found.

Is he a smart player? Maybe he was in Europe but we haven’t seen anything here to say that.

Only thing you’re right on and he has going for him is he’s young. But he’s not that young. He’ll be 21 in October. For a top 10 pick at that age he needs to start showing something. Will he? He’s got a long Long summer ahead of him to improve literally everything about his game.

I don't think you are really watching him... I see him draw defenders away and open up space for his line-mates, by being in smart spots on the ice. You also don't see kids as young as he is playing the PK unless they are good on defense. I have seen him be F1 many times with his his back check hustle(made plays and stopped a few easy goals).

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Lias, like Chytil earlier in the season, seems to be a little slow in reading the plays, which is a hinderance to the strengths in his game that he’s shown at every other level.

 

[Konamic Ice Hockey]

Lias' also needs to work on his endurance as well...it sure seems like his shift length is way shorter than the rest of the team...

I don't think he is running low on energy(don't know if you ever played competitively but with the practice and workouts this is for sure not an issue), he defiantly has a "it is better to change too soon than to get caught on a long shift" mindset. I think it is a confidence problem more than anything, his play with the puck shows that as well.
I can see why people don't see his motor, he is not a jitter bug on the ice but look at how often he is F1 on the play and you see he does have a motor. I would like to see him move his feet as much in the O zone as the D zone, I think that would help him get to more pucks. I think he is used to being the smartest guy out on the ice but that is not the case in the NHL, he needs to move more, he picks spots well, he just needs to pick a new one and go, when it is not working.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I don't think he is running low on energy(don't know if you ever played competitively but with the practice and workouts this is for sure not an issue), he defiantly has a "it is better to change to0 soon than to get caught on a long shift" mindset. I think it is a confidence problem more than anything, his play with the puck shows that as well.
I can see why people don't see his motor, he is not a jitter bug on the ice but look at how often he is F1 on the play and you see he does have a motor. I would like to see him move his feet as much in the O zone as the D zone, I think that would help him get to more pucks. I think he is used to being the smartest guy out on the ice but that is not the case in the NHL, he needs to move more, he picks spots well, he just needs to pick a new one and go when it is not working.

Exactly my read on the short shifts as well... shift length is a good measuring stick for confidence

 

[Inferno]

I don't think he is running low on energy(don't know if you ever played competitively but with the practice and workouts this is for sure not an issue), he defiantly has a "it is better to change to0 soon than to get caught on a long shift" mindset. I think it is a confidence problem more than anything, his play with the puck shows that as well.
I can see why people don't see his motor, he is not a jitter bug on the ice but look at how often he is F1 on the play and you see he does have a motor. I would like to see him move his feet as much in the O zone as the D zone, I think that would help him get to more pucks. I think he is used to being the smartest guy out on the ice but that is not the case in the NHL, he needs to move more, he picks spots well, he just needs to pick a new one and go when it is not working.

I have NEVER played hockey at a competitive level. I only started playing myself 10 years ago so I’m still very much a noob in terms of playing..but I’ve watched just about every rangers game the last 30 years and I think people are trying to...conflate negative aspects of a game as positive.

He’s not floating...he’s smart.
He’s got a motor because he’s the first forward in instead of, he’s the first forward in because he wasn’t the first forward back and Ryan strome was yet again covering for his defense.

If you listen to Dave Maloney’s podcast he talks about this stuff a lot. He’s very worried about lias because of his lack of a motor. So do I.

I don’t always agree with Maloney, but the guy tells it like it is and doesn’t sugarcoat anything. The bleeding blue shirts podcast is terrific.

Anyways I digress. I’d like to see lias put together a game like he had 2 or 3 games ago..whatever it was where he was active and moving his feet every shift.

 

[Kovalev27]

He called out most of them but I remember it being very critical of Lias specifically. Again I don't remember what the tournament was, and the video like doesn't come up anymore

I remember being told by many here that he was soooo tired that’s why his skating looked ridiculously bad lol

 

[Kovalev27]

I don't think you are really watching him... I see him draw defenders away and open up space for his line-mates, by being in smart spots on the ice. You also don't see kids as young as he is playing the PK unless they are good on defense. I have seen him be F1 many times with his his back check hustle(made plays and stopped a few easy goals).

Are you serious? You see him drawing defenders and opening up space for plays? When? Lol