Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II

[Dijock94]

Almost all teams seem to panic about there firstround prospects if they dont hit the ground running. He will be fine.

It honestly drives me a little crazy. If we didn’t give any first round pick more than two years of development we would trade away almost every prospect.

Howden is a full draft year ahead of Lias, why aren’t we talking about just walking away from him too?

If we were this impatient with every one of our first rounders we wouldn’t have kept
Kreider, Anisimov, Miller, Skjei, McDonagh, Hayes

Other teams first rounders
Howden, DeAngelo, Namestnikov

And these are just guys who have come through our team. Think about other teams it’s insane, superstars haven’t been ready after just 2 years.

This new expectation that every first round pick should be ready and solid NHLers after a year and a half is really unrealistic. People are setting themselves up for continued disappointment if they have their expectations this high.

Someone like Chytil showing this much this early with a later first round pick is an anomaly. To expect this from everyone is a huge mistake.

 

[True Blue]

My thought too. If you can't hit with your shoulder then what exactly are you supposed to hit with?

Agreed. He did NOTHING wrong.

 

[McRanger]

My gut feeling remains that Andersson is not long for this organization. Gorton has accumulated a bushel of assets, and can still add more if/when he moves Kreider. If they end up with one of the centers in this draft, it likely pushes Andersson down on the depth chart. And while that may seem that I’m being critical of him, I chalk up to the nature of this rebuild. Not every player drafted is going to be a part of the finished product. If Andersson gets moved for a player that fits the puzzle better, so be it. That doesn’t make his selection a waste of a pick.

It only makes it wasteful if they sell low on him. I get what Quinn is doing but at some point we are going to have to act like every other team and get our high picks some ice time to work out there game and see what we have.

 

[True Blue]

It only makes it wasteful if they sell low on him. I get what Quinn is doing but at some point we are going to have to act like every other team and get our high picks some ice time to work out there game and see what we have.

The issue is that is becoming apparent is getting Chytil, Howden and Andersson meaningful time at center. And by that I mean 2nd or third line, not the 4th. To do all that, one has to go to wing. I actually think that it should be Howden at this point. I have liked the other two at center for the last several games.

 

[Bluenote13]

The issue is that is becoming apparent is getting Chytil, Howden and Andersson meaningful time at center. And by that I mean 2nd or third line, not the 4th. To do all that, one has to go to wing. I actually think that it should be Howden at this point. I have liked the other two at center for the last several games.

Howden looks like the better of the three in the face off dot. Lias has always looked better along the boards, he moves better in short spaces with that choppy stride than he does in open Ice. There was a shift in the third last night where he was totally clueless skating around in the center of the ice in the defensive Zone. And I don't think he's a dumb player, he's just not picking up on the flow of the game at this level.

Honestly I think it's a miracle when anybody picks up the flow of the game at this level before they turn 20 or 21. One of the worst things this organization can do is shortstop a rebuild because they don't have the patience to see through the hardest parts of the process.

 

[21]

First off, love Swedish hockey.

Lias Andersson may be the first Swede I've seen that doesn't embody most of the typical traits (modesty, awareness, hockey IQ)...

Prejudice, you haven't seen many.

Lias has tons of hockey IQ and we have many Swedes not being modest. Many of us may be polite and modest but as most humans beings we also adjust ourselves to the situation which can be seen when we face Canada or USA on the national level. Finally but not last the difference between Swedish hockey and North American hockey is huge, almost like two different sports sometimes. The difference is smaller now but North American still allowing much more physical hockey and different interpretion of rules, fighting etc.

Ulf Samuelsson wasn't very modest, not sure if Peter Forsberg was modest either.

Douglas Murray wasn't very modest


Douglas legendary hardhitting grandfather Lasse Björn wasn't very modest either, that's for sure (I have been told). Lasse was Douglas biggest source of inspiration, his role model.

and another one:


Did I mention the Vikings or our king Carl XII who tried to conquer Russia?

Yeah, Swedes, the modest people.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Dude Lias was drafted less than two years ago. Man the impatience on some people.

The great Mats Zuccarello was still playing in Norway at that age.

 

[Dijock94]

The great Mats Zuccarello was still playing in Norway at that age.

I know. I could make a list of probably the majority of the NHL that didn’t make a significant impact for a few years. I don’t even think we’ve had a first rounder in recent history that broke out and contributed in their first two years post draft except for MDZ. And obviously that was a fluke.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know. I could make a list of probably the majority of the NHL that didn’t make a significant impact for a few years. I don’t even think we’ve had a first rounder in recent history that broke out and contributed in their first two years post draft except for MDZ. And obviously that was a fluke.

50-point players this season who weren't NHL regulars in their D+2 season:

Marchand
Gaudreau
Point
Huberdeau
Scheifele
Giroux
Guentzel
Stone
Hoffman
Domi
Dzingel
Krejci
Atkinson
Couture
Pavelski
Meier
Barzal
Granlund
Hayes
Connor
Marchessault
Tatar
Nyquist
W. Karlsson

 

[FireGerardGallant]

50-point players this season who weren't NHL regulars in their D+2 season:

Marchand
Gaudreau
Point
Huberdeau
Scheifele
Giroux
Guentzel
Stone
Hoffman
Domi
Dzingel
Krejci
Atkinson
Couture
Pavelski
Meier
Barzal
Granlund
Hayes
Connor
Marchessault
Tatar
Nyquist
W. Karlsson

Most of the top 10 from 2017 arent Nhl regulars yet. If Lias was producing good in Sweeden atm people wouldn't even say anything

 

[Dijock94]

50-point players this season who weren't NHL regulars in their D+2 season:

Marchand
Gaudreau
Point
Huberdeau
Scheifele
Giroux
Guentzel
Stone
Hoffman
Domi
Dzingel
Krejci
Atkinson
Couture
Pavelski
Meier
Barzal
Granlund
Hayes
Connor
Marchessault
Tatar
Nyquist
W. Karlsson

Leading point scorer in the NHL currently. Didn’t play an NHL game until his D3 season. And had 18 points in 52 games.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Lias might be gone this summer window and something about the current coach and Lias development and where he is right now don`t benefit the Franchise nor Lias. A new team and a coaching staff will help Lias career - New York is maybe the most difficult teams in NHL to be a young inexperience player unless you are a Marner kind of prospect, but that is like a night/day comparison.

I wish he stays, but I really don`t know what is going to happen this summer, but one thing is certain Jeff Gorton need to upgrade their defense structure, maybe even upgrade their current coaching staff which is obviously not working out in the last 2 years with Lindy Ruff coaching the defense.

Agreed. You gotta remember, Lias played the most successful hockey of his life with Elias Petterson. Almost reminds me of Namestnikov playing with Stamkos and Kucherov. It feels like Lias has been forced into being a grinder this year. And to a certain extent, so has Namestnikov.

 

[Thirty One]

Very frustrating to me that the Rangers started the clock on his unrestricted free agency this season, at this stage in his development, playing replacement-level hockey if that.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Agreed. You gotta remember, Lias played the most successful hockey of his life with Elias Petterson.

No he didn’t

 

[Irishguy42]

Agreed. You gotta remember, Lias played the most successful hockey of his life with Elias Petterson.

 

[Irishguy42]

You must forget the fact that he was the best player on that line throughout the entire WJC and played 1/3 of it with an injured shoulder.

Please try harder next time.

The Lias takes in this thread are AWFUL.

 

[Kovalev27]

first issue is lias is not a center at this level. he can't skate to keep up with anyone. he'll be at his best along the walls and going to the net. but there's no way he's a top 2 or imo 3 center. certainly not on a team that has zibanejad chytil howden and hopefully one of the studs from this upcoming draft. Lias isn't going to be better than any of those guys. let's be real here. I think he's a third line left wing that can play the mins that basically jimmy Vesey is playing. some pk maybe some second pp mins which is where a lot of his points come from.

I'd like to see both namestnikov and Vesey moved this summer to make that ice time avail

 

[Ori]

The great Mats Zuccarello was still playing in Norway at that age.

I`ve been busy on a Real Madrid forum trying to sell Toni Kroos and Gareth Bale, because they were mediocre last season and we were knocked out of the champ league against Ajax lost 4-1. It`s not good enough to fire their old coach - they need wonderkids like Martin Ødegaard from Norway. So you can google him, but it is too early for him to play on their first team, hehe.

My point is Norway is a small ice hockey country - we barely have enough talents from us, but in soccer we start to be really strong and just won against Germany in G17, or G19 U national team. And Mats Zucarrello was an unique talent who was forgotten by the whole draft system and such things happens. But a great scout from New York saw him 10 years ago and he might return a 1st pick or two this summer, and true he developed late and some players do exactly that. He was very talented and the opposite of Martin who was bought as a wonderkid by Real Madrid and spotted by the media ever since in age of 15 years old. And everytime he plays a soccer game u have pages upon pages of scout reports. But he is doing well so far and manage it really well with all the pressure involved.

It was a bit off topic, but Sweden generate top hockey prospects almost yearly, and maybe we missed in 2017 draft we don`t know yet. Their hockey national team is a lot stronger compare to soccer, but it`s a logic reasons behind that just based on their overall population though compare to Brazil, or Spain for instant.

 

[Matz03]

The biggest issue with Lias at this point is not Lias, it's the Rangers rushing players and especially their early picks. Whenever they have a high pick, they just can't help themselves. Howden, Lias, Chytil all should've started in Hartford.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Lias Lovers have officially been in denial for longer than Lettieri has been in the Quinn Bin. Hold on tightly to your dreams of Lias panning out to be a middle 6 guy in our system. No way does that happen unless we move half our roster. Way too vanilla. Let's think logically here. With guys like JT, Kreider, Hayes, Nieves, hell even Lettieri, you can identify early on, as rookies, the talent that has gotten them to the NHL. It's unrefined, but it's identifiable. I'm still scratching my head trying to find any standout raw talent on Lias. His current game is that of a career AHLer IMO.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Lias Lovers have officially been in denial for longer than Lettieri has been in the Quinn Bin. Hold on tightly to your dreams of Lias panning out to be a middle 6 guy in our system. No way does that happen unless we move half our roster. Way too vanilla. Let's think logically here. With guys like JT, Kreider, Hayes, Nieves, hell even Lettieri, you can identify early on, as rookies, the talent that has gotten them to the NHL. It's unrefined, but it's identifiable. I'm still scratching my head trying to find any standout raw talent on Lias. His current game is that of a career AHLer IMO.

Someones really salty about how wrong his Wjc take wad

 

[FireGerardGallant]

The biggest issue with Lias at this point is not Lias, it's the Rangers rushing players and especially their early picks. Whenever they have a high pick, they just can't help themselves. Howden, Lias, Chytil all should've started in Hartford.

The problem is Hartford is also terrible and not a good place to develop either. This is something they must to fix going forward

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Someones really salty about how wrong his Wjc take wad

Excellent rebuttal

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Excellent rebuttal

I mean theres no point in arguing its obvious you are not changing your mind on that dumb take

 

[Matz03]

The problem is Hartford is also terrible and not a good place to develop either. This is something they must to fix going forward

How much better would Hartford have been with three prospects like Howden, Andersson and Chytil down there to start? We don't know exactly but Hartford is partly bad because of the lack of talent down there.