Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II

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The only reason people noticed Chytil is because MSG had a camera focused on him last game
Nah Chytil is more of a catalyst overall than Lias

I don’t really place a lot of blame on Lias for his struggles, the position he’s being put in doesn’t really suit the strengths of his offensive game. He’s a drury esque player, rarely is he going to be the guy carrying the puck and dishing it around, he’s gonna be the follow through guy at the end of the play.
 
Or because he actually looks dynamic every now and then. Lias didn't have a good game where he is noticeable all season long.

Depends on what you expect, I guess. Different players with different skill-sets who you notice if you look for different things. Lias has had noticeable games, just in a different way. Defensively and on the forecheck he has had some good moments since his latest call up.
 
Nah Chytil is more of a catalyst overall than Lias

I don’t really place a lot of blame on Lias for his struggles, the position he’s being put in doesn’t really suit the strengths of his offensive game. He’s a drury esque player, rarely is he going to be the guy carrying the puck and dishing it around, he’s gonna be the follow through guy at the end of the play.

Agreed. He will get his shot next season to play with better linemates and play his own game. But defensively he has been actually quite good lately.
 
Curious Oilers fan here.

Wth is up with Lias? I saw he has 5 points in 35 games and is only 5ish months younger than Jesse (who everyone on this site calls a bust). Is he playing well and it's not translating into points or is he just not ready?
 
Curious Oilers fan here.

Wth is up with Lias? I saw he has 5 points in 35 games and is only 5ish months younger than Jesse (who everyone on this site calls a bust). Is he playing well and it's not translating into points or is he just not ready?
A combination of both, plus not being in a great situation, I’d say.

I think he sould probably still in the AHL at this point. He was producing well down there.
 
Curious Oilers fan here.

Wth is up with Lias? I saw he has 5 points in 35 games and is only 5ish months younger than Jesse (who everyone on this site calls a bust). Is he playing well and it's not translating into points or is he just not ready?

Usage-wise he and Jesse have largely been 2 of a kind. Lias has been given some extra time in the AHL and has done well there. But he's yet to see any meaningful time with good players in the NHL and not a second of powerplay time this season.
 
Smart move taking a run at Bergeron with that head shot. Fool. Same fool tossing a medal into the crowd. Big poser without a clue.

I do not like 50. This thread about his upside with not age well. Waste of a pick.
I'll be the last person to defend the Andersson pick, but getting on him for being involved physically and pissing everyone off is a steaming load of hypocrisy.

This board has been screaming for players like that.
 
Smart move taking a run at Bergeron with that head shot. Fool. Same fool tossing a medal into the crowd. Big poser without a clue.

I do not like 50. This thread about his upside with not age well. Waste of a pick.

Ranger fans: "We never have anyone who plays with an edge. Who plays physical"

Also Ranger fans: "Lias is an idiot for playing with an edge. He needs to do more hockey things"


If this was Chytil or Howden doing that to Bergeron, he'd be nominated for the Steve McDonald Extra Effort Award
 
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Curious Oilers fan here.

Wth is up with Lias? I saw he has 5 points in 35 games and is only 5ish months younger than Jesse (who everyone on this site calls a bust). Is he playing well and it's not translating into points or is he just not ready?

Or does that say more about EDM's usage of Pulju? ;)

Lias has had some issues. He has been working on his skating, he is finding his way. I don't mind that he is in the NHL now, but he should certainly start in the AHL next season. He has played men's hockey for a long time, needs to get more comfortable with carrying line and being a goto player instead of just doing what is expected from a 16-17 y/o playing pro hockey. In addition, he has certainly been snake bitten the last while, I wouldn't say that he is getting plenty of opportunities on a game by game basis, but looking at bigger chunks he is definitely getting opportunities but nothing is going in for him whatsoever. Sometimes you are shooting 20%, Lias shooting is at what 2%. Its like that with hockey players, sometimes pucks goes in and they get a smile on their face and step up, sometimes they aren't going in.

But give the kid some time, this is the entire 1st round in 2017 as per today. On some it sounds like he is looooong past his due date and could be written off. If so that seem to apply to more or less the entire 1st round in 2017. Maybe we should stop getting 1st round picks if everyone busts like that?
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There was nothing wrong with what he did against Bergeron. Held up, turned, No elbow, No charging, No nothing.

Bergeron and Backes both should have gotten instigators, dumb league.

My thought too. If you can't hit with your shoulder then what exactly are you supposed to hit with?
 
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My thought too. If you can't hit with your shoulder then what exactly are you supposed to hit with?

Looked like spine to the head. ;)

I bet Bergeron was pissed at Lias for some slash or something. He just embraced for Bergeron skating into his back, that wasn't all of it. Crosby was alsp pissed at Lias during the Pittsburgh game, did they bring that up on the MSG feed or were I watching Pittsburgh's feed? I don't remember.

Its good that we have One Punch Tony on the roster to keep the kids safe if some goon goes after them... ;)
 
Just a reminder that Lias' best play of the year came during the pre-season (against Taylor Hall):


Lias might be gone this summer window and something about the current coach and Lias development and where he is right now don`t benefit the Franchise nor Lias. A new team and a coaching staff will help Lias career - New York is maybe the most difficult teams in NHL to be a young inexperience player unless you are a Marner kind of prospect, but that is like a night/day comparison.

I wish he stays, but I really don`t know what is going to happen this summer, but one thing is certain Jeff Gorton need to upgrade their defense structure, maybe even upgrade their current coaching staff which is obviously not working out in the last 2 years with Lindy Ruff coaching the defense.
 
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This is D+2 for Lias. Next year is D+3 for Lias.

In D+2 JT Miller had 23 pts in 42 games in the AHL. In D+3 he more or less doubled that and went to a PPG in the AHL. In D+4, JT Miller had 15 pts in 18 games before leaving the AHL for good after a call-up.

Artem Anisimov made got to the AHL in his D+2 season. Had 43 pts in 74 games. In his D+3 he had 81 pts in 80 games in the AHL. He played with Parenteau who had a great year and that HFD team was good, but roughly the numbers are of course comparable. But without that support its maybe 60-70 pts in 80 games instead of 80 in 80.

In 2017, 21 forwards was picked in the 1st round. Only two have scored more than 0.5 PPG in the NHL. Only six in total have established themselves in any capacity as top 9 forwards scoring at like a 25-35 pts/80 games pace not looking at Hirscher and Pettersson.

Cody Glass, Rasmussen, Owen Tippet, Vilardi, Necas, Suzuki, Brannstrom, Norris, Yamamoto, Vesalainen, Poehling, Frost, Bowers, Tolvanen and Kostin -- 15 of 21 forwards including Lias -- has not yet established themselves as producing top 9 forwards in the NHL. If we close the book on the 2017 draft today and draw the bust line of where the kids are right now -- I never want to see us trade a player for a 1st round pick again. That total bust rate would be insane. That is not to say that some guys will fly past Lias early next season, some will, he is a work in progress, but kids need time.

Lias needs to start next sesason in the AHL. Take that big step from being a contributing player to being a goto player in the AHL after a good off-season. His top speed is improved, but he needs to learn to keep more speed under his skate and especially come out of situations with more speed. Babcock is banning his guys from finishing checks after the initial sequence of a shift, you lose all speed when you finish a check. Lias goes into so many situations in a way that results in a full stop. He can also work a lot more on his agility.

Nobody can pretend that Lias is "good" in the NHL right now, but he isn't totally off-side either. If he can iron out the above, take that step that both JT Miller and Anisimov did in their D+3 season, it will instantly show at the NHL level. Kids make big progress at this age, its easy to forget, but I remember how all of these kids were labelled as busts (JT Miller, Kreider and co) at certain points. With progress, a bit stronger support down the line, more confidence, and so forth my best projection is that we are getting a good and valuable player down the line. And I don't see any reason for his curve to stop there.

Is this a projection that won't age well? I call it like I see it and this is definitely my best bet. I am not always that positive, I've often been accused of the opposite.
 
Curious Oilers fan here.

Wth is up with Lias? I saw he has 5 points in 35 games and is only 5ish months younger than Jesse (who everyone on this site calls a bust). Is he playing well and it's not translating into points or is he just not ready?

I think his body needs to catch up with who he's playing against in the rest of the league ie... I think, at 20, he's not strong enough yet to compete as well as he could with his type of game. He seems to get outmuscled a lot but that'll come with getting a little older. Not worried yet.
 
My gut feeling remains that Andersson is not long for this organization. Gorton has accumulated a bushel of assets, and can still add more if/when he moves Kreider. If they end up with one of the centers in this draft, it likely pushes Andersson down on the depth chart. And while that may seem that I’m being critical of him, I chalk up to the nature of this rebuild. Not every player drafted is going to be a part of the finished product. If Andersson gets moved for a player that fits the puzzle better, so be it. That doesn’t make his selection a waste of a pick.
 
Smart move taking a run at Bergeron with that head shot. Fool. Same fool tossing a medal into the crowd. Big poser without a clue.

I do not like 50. This thread about his upside with not age well. Waste of a pick.

As a Swedish hockey fan I react on your provocing unrespectful post about Lias, a total mystery nobody else does, this is close to bullying.

The only waste here is your post, get it?

He did nothing wrong vs Bergeron and the rest is just you playing tough and provocative behind your keyboard, coward.

(*Dropping my gloves*)
 
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As a Swedish hockey fan I react on your provocing unrespectful post about Lias, a total mystery nobody else does, this is close to bullying.

The only waste here is your post, get it?

He did nothing wrong vs Bergeron and the rest is just you playing tough and provocative behind your keyboard, coward.

(*Dropping my gloves*)

First off, love Swedish hockey.

Lias Andersson may be the first Swede I've seen that doesn't embody most of the typical traits (modesty, awareness, hockey IQ)...

As for the Bergeron cheap shot, that's a good way to get your teammates injured. I always see the play through Ranger blue glasses, but it was a stupid play - and potentially dangerous.

At 7 ov, we swung for the curveball and got a slider in the dirt. I hope he has an NHL career, but this is as undynamic and you can get for that draft slot and I'm annoyed with the skil- set I see.
 
Lias might be gone this summer window and something about the current coach and Lias development and where he is right now don`t benefit the Franchise nor Lias. A new team and a coaching staff will help Lias career - New York is maybe the most difficult teams in NHL to be a young inexperience player unless you are a Marner kind of prospect, but that is like a night/day comparison.

I wish he stays, but I really don`t know what is going to happen this summer, but one thing is certain Jeff Gorton need to upgrade their defense structure, maybe even upgrade their current coaching staff which is obviously not working out in the last 2 years with Lindy Ruff coaching the defense.

Dude Lias was drafted less than two years ago. Man the impatience on some people.
 
Almost all teams seem to panic about there firstround prospects if they dont hit the ground running. He will be fine.
 
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