Amazing Kreiderman
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I’m anon8336 in this screenshot
Not so anon anymore now huh
Player Discussion Lias Andersson: Part II
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Inferno
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Absolutely. If he keeps it up he can be a solid 3C with an edge and intangibles. Best I’ve seen him skate. Don’t make more of it than it is he’s still a horrible skater but that was the best I’ve seen him get from point a to point b and actually be there on time to make a play.
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I heard that @Amazing Kreiderman hung out here?
It's good to see that Lias is slowly improving. I think you guys have a good one there. Just have to be patient.
It's good to see that Lias is slowly improving. I think you guys have a good one there. Just have to be patient.
haohmaru
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I heard that @Amazing Kreiderman hung out here?
It's good to see that Lias is slowly improving. I think you guys have a good one there. Just have to be patient.
Bolded for the doubters.
Inferno
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And bad lias again. Had 1 good shift, but other than that...not so great.
I tried to follow him for most of the game. He just doesn't look great with the puck. It seems very hard for him to make any kind of a play with the puck.
Calad
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Kid is still 20 and in his first full pro season. We are spoiled by players like Barzal and Pastrnak sliding into a top 6 seamlessly at 18, but they are the minority. They were wrong to advertise him as "NHL ready", for sure, but the truth is most kids will struggle in the NHL and to label him as a bust and ship him out so soon would be awful asset management.
Look what happened with Dylan Strome this season. 2015 top 3 pick, looked completely out of place the past 2 seasons in Arizona and they shipped him out, now hes nearly a PPG in chicago.
Look what happened with Dylan Strome this season. 2015 top 3 pick, looked completely out of place the past 2 seasons in Arizona and they shipped him out, now hes nearly a PPG in chicago.
Barnaby
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I'm not expecting a finished product but the kid sure is invisible. I can't help but think he'd have been better off staying in Sweden a couple years then coming over.
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Inferno
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Last year was Brazil’s age 20 season....just like lias this year.
Either way it’s not fair to compare the two of them anyway.
Barnaby
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No... but I'd like to see some flashes. I'm not expecting Barzal, but show me something. I'm not sure if this is just a flat out bad pick, or if they just rushed him too much. This obviously wasn't the game plan. He should have stayed overseas a couple more years... AHL might've been good if it wasn't a dumpster fire... just not sure he's gaining much by plodding along in the NHL right now.
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I usually compare players based on their D-season. Since it's impossible for them to play in the NHL before being drafted, it seems like a fair comparison. Nolan Patrick is almost a year older than Chytil due to this, so there are definitely flaws to this way of comparing players, but in my opinion it's the most reliable.
I agree, Lias is not in the same conversation as Barzal (Aside from Pettersson, no one from the 2017 draft is to be honest)
pld459666
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Right now, I don't care about points.
My concern with Lias is that he's invisible most nights. Like I'm not sure he's playing at all.
To me, that is concerning because if you are struggling with production, then you HAVE to find a way to impact the game in other ways.
He's not doing that either.
I was led to believe he had a little sandpaper to his game....not seeing it.
I was led to believe he was a decent defensive player....not seeing it
I was led to believe that he was a smart player that oozes intangibles...not seeing it.
Is he lacking confidence?
What's going on in that noggin of his that is preventing him from doing those things effectively and consistently??
My concern with Lias is that he's invisible most nights. Like I'm not sure he's playing at all.
To me, that is concerning because if you are struggling with production, then you HAVE to find a way to impact the game in other ways.
He's not doing that either.
I was led to believe he had a little sandpaper to his game....not seeing it.
I was led to believe he was a decent defensive player....not seeing it
I was led to believe that he was a smart player that oozes intangibles...not seeing it.
Is he lacking confidence?
What's going on in that noggin of his that is preventing him from doing those things effectively and consistently??
Oscar Lindberg
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The fact that they’ve been so willing to put Chytil at wing and not Lias is puzzling
He can’t be much worse at wing, might as well shake things up
He can’t be much worse at wing, might as well shake things up
Lias has played at a higher level than what he physically has been ready for, for several years. That brings a few positives (albeit I am pretty skeptical about the pros of rushing kids), but also a few negatives. One such negative influence that really is holding him back right now is how he have learned to move on the ice.
When you are like 16 y/o and plays in the SHL -- what should you do each shift? Play simple. Take your man defensively. Go to the net offensively. Right? His skating, and probably more valuable than anything else, his stamina and conditioning, has improved greatly the last season.
The problem is that it takes a few seconds for a hockey player to go from standstill to top speed. Each second in the NHL has a significant impact. 30 km/h or 20 mph is like 9 meters or 30 foot per second. A fast going NHLer will cover 30 foot during 1 second. Maybe the most important ability of them all in hockey is to be able to -- so to speak -- 'keep speed under your skates', learn to sniff in which direction the play is going and get going faster than the rest thanks to it.
When you follow Lias on the ice, its obvious how often he more or less comes to a standstill. He goes to the net, full halt. He takes his guy defensively, stays really tight to him, but has little speed under his skates. He needs to learn to push things much harder, to come into situations with more speed so that when he or his line wins the speed he isn't starting from standstill, instead he maybe is at 50%.
I think this is one of those 2 years things that Lias must work hard on. It takes time to change more fundamental things like that. Kreider had the same type of issues, but in other areas. I remember watching Kreider at a mens WCHs, he was constantly the slowest guy in on the forecheck. The coach had to yank him from a forechecking role to being the guy that stayed back like on a left-wing lock. Kreider was the fastest guy on the ice but didn't get his reads right on the forecheck. This was in 2011. Kreider was drafted in 2009, more or less the same stage Lias is now. Lias is further along than Kreider was at that age.
You need to be patient with kids. You don't have to go back many months, or even weeks?, to find a bunch of posts of how Buchnevich isn't good at anything, has no talent, should be dumped etc. He played well before his injury and he has been really strong the last weeks. Really strong. D+5. Lias probably need the same, D+4-5 should be around when we can hope that he can start to contribute. And going by any kind of expectancy curve for great prospects, the norm is 4-5 years before any kind of significant impact. Production can come earlier, but its rare and its also almost always driven by a team playing to a kids unique strength offensively, like Tkachuk in front of the net, Laine's shot on the PP etc.
Its tough. You'd want production earlier. We will have to endure the mockery of posters desperately wanting to get bragging rights about being able to scream 'I tooooold you sooooo' since they weren't on Lias buss from Day 1 (I wasn't either but that is another issue). But I call it like I see it, and my best bet is definitely that Lias will be a good top 6 guy for us if things goes as planned after 2 more years. That is good considering where he was drafted.
When you are like 16 y/o and plays in the SHL -- what should you do each shift? Play simple. Take your man defensively. Go to the net offensively. Right? His skating, and probably more valuable than anything else, his stamina and conditioning, has improved greatly the last season.
The problem is that it takes a few seconds for a hockey player to go from standstill to top speed. Each second in the NHL has a significant impact. 30 km/h or 20 mph is like 9 meters or 30 foot per second. A fast going NHLer will cover 30 foot during 1 second. Maybe the most important ability of them all in hockey is to be able to -- so to speak -- 'keep speed under your skates', learn to sniff in which direction the play is going and get going faster than the rest thanks to it.
When you follow Lias on the ice, its obvious how often he more or less comes to a standstill. He goes to the net, full halt. He takes his guy defensively, stays really tight to him, but has little speed under his skates. He needs to learn to push things much harder, to come into situations with more speed so that when he or his line wins the speed he isn't starting from standstill, instead he maybe is at 50%.
I think this is one of those 2 years things that Lias must work hard on. It takes time to change more fundamental things like that. Kreider had the same type of issues, but in other areas. I remember watching Kreider at a mens WCHs, he was constantly the slowest guy in on the forecheck. The coach had to yank him from a forechecking role to being the guy that stayed back like on a left-wing lock. Kreider was the fastest guy on the ice but didn't get his reads right on the forecheck. This was in 2011. Kreider was drafted in 2009, more or less the same stage Lias is now. Lias is further along than Kreider was at that age.
You need to be patient with kids. You don't have to go back many months, or even weeks?, to find a bunch of posts of how Buchnevich isn't good at anything, has no talent, should be dumped etc. He played well before his injury and he has been really strong the last weeks. Really strong. D+5. Lias probably need the same, D+4-5 should be around when we can hope that he can start to contribute. And going by any kind of expectancy curve for great prospects, the norm is 4-5 years before any kind of significant impact. Production can come earlier, but its rare and its also almost always driven by a team playing to a kids unique strength offensively, like Tkachuk in front of the net, Laine's shot on the PP etc.
Its tough. You'd want production earlier. We will have to endure the mockery of posters desperately wanting to get bragging rights about being able to scream 'I tooooold you sooooo' since they weren't on Lias buss from Day 1 (I wasn't either but that is another issue). But I call it like I see it, and my best bet is definitely that Lias will be a good top 6 guy for us if things goes as planned after 2 more years. That is good considering where he was drafted.
He is only playing 10 minutes a night on average, and I do think you are seeing hints of the above, for sure. You aren't going to see a player playing 10 minutes a night on a crappy team with a lot of defensive responsibilities that much. Lias also has areas in his game that he needs to work on.
Bluenote13
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Just watched every one of his shifts from last night - talk about blowing things out of proportion, I guess when you have nothing else to talk about.....
Inferno
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Please do let us know what you saw that was good? He had 1 great burst of speed on 1 shift...he also had 1 shift where he opened himself up in the slot to get a shsh off. That was all I saw from him. He was mostly invisible IMHO.
Funby thing is, I felt like lemieux had a meh game too...he just scored...but really he wasn't that great last night.
Rangers in 7
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the whole team is mailing it in, no one really stood out last night, hes a 20 year old kid he just needs another year or so to get it going
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Machinehead
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My thing with Lias is not that he's struggling at 19/20.
Kreider would have been HORRENDOUS at that age. Zibanejad played at that age for Ottawa and he was pretty lousy.
The issue is that, when I look at Lias, I just don't see a ton of ability to build on. With Chytil, who is also struggling, I can at least see what he's potentially capable of.
Lias was advertised at the draft as "jack of all trades" and so far it's looking more like "master of none."
Kreider would have been HORRENDOUS at that age. Zibanejad played at that age for Ottawa and he was pretty lousy.
The issue is that, when I look at Lias, I just don't see a ton of ability to build on. With Chytil, who is also struggling, I can at least see what he's potentially capable of.
Lias was advertised at the draft as "jack of all trades" and so far it's looking more like "master of none."
Captain Monglobster
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Glass is gone. McLeod is gone. Looks like we’ve found our new whipping boy. Hope this doesn’t turn into Malholtra 2.0 give the kid a few years geez.
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