Confirmed with Link: Lias Andersson asks for trade. No longer with NYR.

[Cassano]

If I am another team, I do not offer a 2nd round pick for him at all.

Especially in this draft.

 

[Nickmo82]

I can totally understand the trade request, as he no doubt feels he hasn't been given a fair shake here and could have more opportunity elsewhere, but the whole "No longer with NYR" thing helps nobody. It's Poolparty all over again. He's engineered a situation where his value is dirt, so the Rangers likely have no desire to take a massive loss by dealing him.

He'd be infnitely better off by being a big boy and playing hard in HFD while a proper deal is sorted out.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I can totally understand the trade request, as he has no doubt feels he hasn't been given a fair shake here and could have more opportunity elsewhere, but the whole "No longer with NYR" thing helps nobody. It's Poolparty all over again. He's engineered a situation where his value is dirt, so the Rangers likely have no desire to take a massive loss by dealing him.

He'd be infnitely better off by being a big boy and playing hard in HFD while a proper deal is sorted out.

And this is where I have mixed emotions..

•I feel we rushed him to NA, where more seasoning overseas would have probably helped his development the most. (That’s a negative for our scouts/coaching staff/upper management).

•We only saw fractions of why Lias was a highly desired prospect during the draft. He fizzled. At first we blamed his travel schedule. Then we blamed his adjustment to a new lifestyle. Then we blamed his age and inexperience. All bull**** excuses.

•Reality starts setting in, and we realize that Lias isn’t a special offensive talent. Good prospect? Sure. But nothing you’d expect from a Top-10 prospect. Nothing exciting about his game. Then again, it was a weak draft after 5-6. Thanks, NHL gods......

•Despite a slow start in his career, he played great this camp. Totally different player. He was engaged. Showed some offensive flare. Made some plays on D. His skating was evidently better. Lias was one of our best players in camp/preseason. WTF happened...?

This is where I start to lose it a bit....

•Lias outplayed Howden significantly in camp/pre-season. Howden’s mother, future wife and son would acknowledge this. Despite outplaying Howden, he starts on the 4th line with Gru and Gloria Estefan as his wingers.

He was done as a Ranger at this very moment, IMO. Imagine — Your head coach just gave your spot to someone that didn’t deserve it that you clearly outplayed.

You then get demoted and find out your Team is trying to trade you.

Some of you posters here are straight up donkeys. Just imagine being in his shoes here. I would ask for a trade too.

But... I wouldn’t quit on my team like some bitch ass. I despise that he did that.

I still like Lias and feel he’ll be a decent NHL forward. He has some maturing to do, as does our coaching staff.

I hate that Quinn agreed that playing Lias with better line mates would have sparked him, but despite countless opportunities, Quinn never gave him a look.

I like Quinn more than a lot of posters here, but his arrogance and ego is a disturbing when you look at how he handled Lias. I’m not saying Quinn is responsible for LA’s demise.. I’m just saying he hurt Lias more than helped him, and that’s the last thing you want from a developmental coach.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

They could always tell him to go back to Sweden and suck it up for the rest of the season. My guess is they will package him.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

And this is where I have mixed emotions..

•I feel we rushed him to NA, where more seasoning overseas would have probably helped his development the most. (That’s a negative for our scouts/coaching staff/upper management).

•We only saw fractions of why Lias was a highly desired prospect during the draft. He fizzled. At first we blamed his travel schedule. Then we blamed his adjustment to a new lifestyle. Then we blamed his age and inexperience. All bull**** excuses.

•Reality starts setting in, and we realize that Lias isn’t a special offensive talent. Good prospect? Sure. But nothing you’d expect from a Top-10 prospect. Nothing exciting about his game. Then again, it was a weak draft after 5-6. Thanks, NHL gods......

•Despite a slow start in his career, he played great this camp. Totally different player. He was engaged. Showed some offensive flare. Made some plays on D. His skating was evidently better. Lias was one of our best players in camp/preseason. WTF happened...?

This is where I start to lose it a bit....

•Lias outplayed Howden significantly in camp/pre-season. Howden’s mother, future wife and son would acknowledge this. Despite outplaying Howden, he starts on the 4th line with Gru and Gloria Estefan as his wingers.

He was done as a Ranger at this very moment, IMO. Imagine — Your head coach just gave your spot to someone that didn’t deserve it that you clearly outplayed.

You then get demoted and find out your Team is trying to trade you.

Some of you posters here are straight up donkeys. Just imagine being in his shoes here. I would ask for a trade too.

But... I wouldn’t quit on my team like some ***** ass. I despise that he did that.

I still like Lias and feel he’ll be a decent NHL forward. He has some maturing to do, as does our coaching staff.

I hate that Quinn agreed that playing Lias with better line mates would have sparked him, but despite countless opportunities, Quinn never gave him a look.

I like Quinn more than a lot of posters here, but his arrogance and ego is a disturbing when you look at how he handled Lias. I’m not saying Quinn is responsible for LA’s demise.. I’m just saying he hurt Lias more than helped him, and that’s the last thing you want from a developmental coach.

I would disagree about him have a "great" camp -- "good" camp, yes.

I also disagree about the line mates -- as a number of posters have pointed out: if he deserved better linemates, he should have stood out significantly over the ones he had...but when push came to shove, he couldn't outplay Howden or Whipping Boy Smith...yet there are those who say he should have been given those spots anyway.

 

[haohmaru]

Carp:

"It’s going to be difficult and complicated to move him now, and it will take a while because the Rangers can’t just give him away. He didn’t do anybody any favors here, himself included. The league knows the Rangers want to move a player who has underachieved and quit. That’s a tough sell. He can just sit out suspended, without pay, until the Rangers find an acceptable deal. If they find an acceptable deal."

 

[Good Intentions]

Carp:

"It’s going to be difficult and complicated to move him now, and it will take a while because the Rangers can’t just give him away. He didn’t do anybody any favors here, himself included. The league knows the Rangers want to move a player who has underachieved and quit. That’s a tough sell. He can just sit out suspended, without pay, until the Rangers find an acceptable deal. If they find an acceptable deal."

I'm fine with him just decaying on the side for now. 'Value' is subjective. You're going to get a lottery ticket in return regardless. So just wait if need be.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I'm fine with him just decaying on the side for now. 'Value' is subjective. You're going to get a lottery ticket in return regardless. So just wait if need be.

Maybe it's too early in the AM -- I find your "get a lottery ticket" comment puzzling. Please explain.

 

[Ola]

And this is where I have mixed emotions..

•I feel we rushed him to NA, where more seasoning overseas would have probably helped his development the most. (That’s a negative for our scouts/coaching staff/upper management).

•We only saw fractions of why Lias was a highly desired prospect during the draft. He fizzled. At first we blamed his travel schedule. Then we blamed his adjustment to a new lifestyle. Then we blamed his age and inexperience. All bull**** excuses.

•Reality starts setting in, and we realize that Lias isn’t a special offensive talent. Good prospect? Sure. But nothing you’d expect from a Top-10 prospect. Nothing exciting about his game. Then again, it was a weak draft after 5-6. Thanks, NHL gods......

•Despite a slow start in his career, he played great this camp. Totally different player. He was engaged. Showed some offensive flare. Made some plays on D. His skating was evidently better. Lias was one of our best players in camp/preseason. WTF happened...?

This is where I start to lose it a bit....

•Lias outplayed Howden significantly in camp/pre-season. Howden’s mother, future wife and son would acknowledge this. Despite outplaying Howden, he starts on the 4th line with Gru and Gloria Estefan as his wingers.

He was done as a Ranger at this very moment, IMO. Imagine — Your head coach just gave your spot to someone that didn’t deserve it that you clearly outplayed.

You then get demoted and find out your Team is trying to trade you.

Some of you posters here are straight up donkeys. Just imagine being in his shoes here. I would ask for a trade too.

But... I wouldn’t quit on my team like some ***** ass. I despise that he did that.

I still like Lias and feel he’ll be a decent NHL forward. He has some maturing to do, as does our coaching staff.

I hate that Quinn agreed that playing Lias with better line mates would have sparked him, but despite countless opportunities, Quinn never gave him a look.

I like Quinn more than a lot of posters here, but his arrogance and ego is a disturbing when you look at how he handled Lias. I’m not saying Quinn is responsible for LA’s demise.. I’m just saying he hurt Lias more than helped him, and that’s the last thing you want from a developmental coach.

Good points.

And I think too much is made of Lias linemates 5 on 5 etc. Lias was a high pick and he never was put in any other role on the PP than being in the goalies face. He has a good shot, is a really good passer, and on the PP his lack of break away speed does not matter at all like we saw at the WJC were he was great on the PP.

I think the fact that he also got that role in HFD might have been one thing that pushed him over the edge. He was really good there on the PP as an 18 y/o. Also played the point a bit. But now he was still put in a role where nothing is expected of him besides being in the goalies face.

I think it’s a bit childish by Brooks to claim that DQ doesn’t hate Lias. Of course you can discuss the word hate, but the speed argument he talks about 5 on 5 isn’t valid on the PP. There is a reason Lias under DQ — pre-season included — never got a second in a role on a PP were he was expected to have the puck on his stick.

I think it’s quit obvious that DQ felt that he took heat for liking Howden more than Lias and wasn’t super keen on giving Lias a shot at looking good. That’s not ‘hate’, but what does it matter? With that said, I am not saying that DQ made the wrong call going with Howden.

 

[Good Intentions]

Maybe it's too early in the AM -- I find your "get a lottery ticket" comment puzzling. Please explain.

Odds are, the return piece will not end up moving the needle. It's a lottery ticket. Small chance it turns into a big hit player.

More likely:

Lias won't be an impact NHL'er.
The majority of the first round will not be impact NHL'ers.
The (eventual) trade return of Lias will not be an impact NHL'er.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Odds are, the return piece will not end up moving the needle. It's a lottery ticket. Small chance it turns into a big hit player.

More likely:

Lias won't be an impact NHL'er.
The majority of the first round will not be impact NHL'ers.
The (eventual) trade return of Lias will not be an impact NHL'er.

Thanks much....I suspected that's what you meant, but wanted to be sure.

 

[haveandare]

Good points.

And I think too much is made of Lias linemates 5 on 5 etc. Lias was a high pick and he never was put in any other role on the PP than being in the goalies face. He has a good shot, is a really good passer, and on the PP his lack of break away speed does not matter at all like we saw at the WJC were he was great on the PP.

I think the fact that he also got that role in HFD might have been one thing that pushed him over the edge. He was really good there on the PP as an 18 y/o. Also played the point a bit. But now he was still put in a role where nothing is expected of him besides being in the goalies face.

I think it’s a bit childish by Brooks to claim that DQ doesn’t hate Lias. Of course you can discuss the word hate, but the speed argument he talks about 5 on 5 isn’t valid on the PP. There is a reason Lias under DQ — pre-season included — never got a second in a role on a PP were he was expected to have the puck on his stick.

I think it’s quit obvious that DQ felt that he took heat for liking Howden more than Lias and wasn’t super keen on giving Lias a shot at looking good. That’s not ‘hate’, but what does it matter? With that said, I am not saying that DQ made the wrong call going with Howden.

PP wise, you have 10 players you can put in those situations, usually 6 fowards. On the NHL team, there’s really no rational argument that Lias was ever even close to the top 10 best offensive players or 6 forwards in the mix. Yeah they should have been doing more to develop him but there’s a limit to that too.

 

[free0717]

Okay, who would you have picked?

Mittelstadt? In the AHL
Vilardi? In the AHL
Tolvanen? Struggling in the AHL
Tippett? In the AHL
Rasmussen? In the AHL

Honestly, the best player drafted after Lias is Chytil but considering how upset Ranger fans were with that "reach" on draft day, I can only imagine the pitchforks being sharpened had we picked him at 7

Mittlestadt.....at least he has the talent level to be a.successful NFL too six player. Yes.He needs.work Mon his.game but the.talent is.their

 

[Ola]

PP wise, you have 10 players you can put in those situations, usually 6 fowards. On the NHL team, there’s really no rational argument that Lias was ever even close to the top 10 best offensive players or 6 forwards in the mix. Yeah they should have been doing more to develop him but there’s a limit to that too.

And I don’t disagree with that during the regular season or right now.

But it’s of course tough for a kid that comes in with high expectations on him and never gets to play a single shift, probably not even in practice either, in the role that suits him best (i.e. as the set up man on the right side). Not late last season, not in camp, probably never in practice and so forth.

Look, developing kids is about making them play better. Some will say that it’s all about giving a kid reasonable conditions and then it’s up to the kid to do the rest. But I don’t buy that old school military style. There is just no need to compartmentalize a kid from Day 1 and try to shove down a message that the kid should forget about getting any ideas about ever becoming more than a marginal player.

These guys aren’t stupid. They don’t think that they are better than they are. But let’s say you have a big D who has a really heavy shot, a real Howitzer, that has expectations on him and don’t want to be stuck in a pure defensive role. But the coach would rather have a more slick passer on the PP. It doesn’t kill the coach to try a different look. You are never that handcuffed that you can’t try a different look. If it don’t work out the player will be the first to understand it.

I’ve never called out DQ for opting to go with Howden over Lias. But I definitely think Lias was way too compartmentalized from Day 1. And I definitely understand Quinn too. If he don’t really believe in Lias and he is getting heat for opting to go with Howden — why should he give Lias a shot to look good? Maybe it’s worth it to sacrifice him.

 

[Hinterland]

Okay, who would you have picked?

Mittelstadt? In the AHL
Vilardi? In the AHL
Tolvanen? Struggling in the AHL
Tippett? In the AHL
Rasmussen? In the AHL

Honestly, the best player drafted after Lias is Chytil but considering how upset Ranger fans were with that "reach" on draft day, I can only imagine the pitchforks being sharpened had we picked him at 7

This Necas kid should be pretty good I heard...but may be just a rumour and his 4 points against Toronto probably fake news.

Also, from your list, the only disappointments are Tolvanen and Mittelstadt. Tippett and Rasmussen were never expected to contribute in the NHL at this point but showed some good things already. Vilardi was injured pretty much from the draft until now. No way he could be an NHLer by now. They'll all turn into decent NHLers while Andersson is pretty much a sure fire bust.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Hindsight is 20/20 but I don’t know why some people feel it necessary to always point out “look the prospects drafted behind Lias have done nothing”

Who cares, at least some of those guys still have good upside and will actually play for their team.

The Rangers went safe and it blew up in their face. And if I want to pine away over Necas or Suzuki , I will damn it

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Mittlestadt.....at least he has the talent level to be a.successful NFL too six player. Yes.He needs.work Mon his.game but the.talent is.their

At 21, none of these players are guaranteed to make it

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This Necas kid should be pretty good I heard...but may be just a rumour and his 4 points against Toronto probably fake news.

Also, from your list, the only disappointments are Tolvanen and Mittelstadt. Tippett and Rasmussen were never expected to contribute in the NHL at this point but showed some good things already. Vilardi was injured pretty much from the draft until now. No way he could be an NHLer by now. They'll all turn into decent NHLers while Andersson is pretty much a sure fire bust.

Labeling a 21-year old a bust is just premature

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

And yes, the Rangers should do some soul-searching based on two top 10 picks essentially wanting to walk away from the organization, even temporarily, in as many months.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

He will be sorry and begging to come back when we lose some weight and get a great job. You'll see!

 

[JHS]

You were 100% right about this kid from the start. Post history proves it.

Gordie Clark needs to be gone. Just like the Yankees are purging all the old, outdated guys from their organization, the Rangers need to start doing the same.

Not looking for credit but I’ve said the same things as @Kovalev27 has been saying over on the Lias thread too. It’s so clear he was never cut out to be a top 10 pick on skill set alone. Just a really bad pick by an organization that butchers every top pick it makes( praying Kakko is different.). Liad just does not pass the eye test for a top pick.

I’d burry the guy in Hartford or allow him to go to Sweden( if even possible.) Trading him now makes no sense.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Not looking for credit but I’ve said the same things as @Kovalev27 has been saying over on the Lias thread too. It’s so clear he was never cut out to be a top 10 pick on skill set alone. Just a really bad pick by an organization that butchers every top pick it makes( praying Kakko is different.). Liad just does not pass the eye test for a top pick.

I’d burry the guy in Hartford or allow him to go to Sweden( if even possible.) Trading him now makes no sense.

We tried to bury him in Hartford and he left, so that's obviously not an option...

That was a terrible draft after 6. None of the players selected after that would have been considered "Top-10 Picks" in a decent draft. Any player we could have selected would have been a reach at 7. The price to trade down was probably garbage too considering guys ranked 7-15 were interchangeable.

 

[Tawnos]

Mittlestadt.....at least he has the talent level to be a.successful NFL too six player. Yes.He needs.work Mon his.game but the.talent is.their

I doubt he's got a shot of making the NFL.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

We tried to bury him in Hartford and he left, so that's obviously not an option...

That was a terrible draft after 6. None of the players selected after that would have been considered "Top-10 Picks" in a decent draft. Any player we could have selected would have been a reach at 7. The price to trade down was probably garbage too considering guys ranked 7-15 were interchangeable.

At this point, I consider the 2017 draft a success based on getting ADA from the trade and drafting Chytil at #21.

But that really was a top 5-6 player draft it seems. Aside from maybe Nolan Patrick.

 

[LokiDog]

We all have to hope Kravstov’s ship has been righted and he ends up at least a solid middle six guy for this team otherwise we will have blown #7, #9 and #10 picks in an 8 year span, which is pretty tough to swallow for a team that hasn’t often drafted high. At least we don’t really have to worry about Kakko.