Confirmed with Link: Lias Andersson asks for trade. No longer with NYR.

[Kakko Schmakko]

If anything good is coming out of this, it’s that we once and for all STOP to rush kids. And it’s not just Lias and Chytil, for a long time we have been eager to yank this kids early. Skjei, McD and Kreider were all pushed to sign before they did. Korpikoski.

they rush them because their developmental system sucks and they know it. And then a guy that develops ok like JT Miller they are not able to help him fix his flaws and get him to the next level and just trade him away for pretty bad return.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Lundmark put up 27 goals and 59 points in his rookie AHL season

and 2 years lated had 14 goals in 64 AHL games, his scoring getting progressively worse just like Lias'. And Lundmark also asked to be traded, probably multiple times.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Another 1st rounder that hasn’t worked out. What a shame. Gordie...

I agree with the idea that he really didn’t show enough, not even close - to warrant even asking for a trade. Honestly you don’t want that type of entitlement around your club when you’re trying to build a winner... so good riddance.

He frees up what was a crowded center spot going into this season... (albeit quantity not much quality) now with him and Names gone maybe the Rangers will put even more of an onus on drafting or acquiring a young center.

and if Kravstov wants to piggy back on this - - let him. If you don’t want to prove you can play for one of the best, most classiest franchises who treat their players better than almost any team in sports in the greatest city in the world... then we’ll easily find plenty of other talented kids who want to.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Maybe the "tell" was when he chucked the medal in the stands.

I think it means he might be emotional hothead or maybe he expects a lot more out of himself, but then why wouldn't he work more on his skating before that?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Not sure why some of you guys are suggesting he was pouting.

He played in Hartford his rookie season. He played in Hartford last season. He should have made the team this season after a strong camp, but started in Hartford.

He was never given a chance in the top-9, even though Quinn said that would have possibly helped him get going.

Pisses me off his request went public, but so did Gorton’s attempt to trade him to Edmonton. I obviously want what’s best for the team, but some of you guys are neglecting what the Rangers brass could have done differently.

The kid feels there’s no future for him here. I don’t see his request to be traded as pouting.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

This one is easy.

The kids drafted by the NYR Quinn is supposed to develop are far ahead of him tactically.... no wonder the kids get frustrated.

Yes, you have to be strong along the boards in the NHL and yes you have to crash the net and show up at the far post, but there is a hell of a lot more to hockey than that.

Quinn's 3 zone and puck possession hockey is primitive.

Lias was described as a very coachable player by his Swedish coaches. How is a kid like that, that looks to be methodical and responsible and actually thinks the game, going to find traction on a Quinn team?

It's a total train wreck of a culture crash.

Maybe Lias criticized openly or secretly with other teammates Quinn or system or management.

 

[dshea19]

Not sure why some of you guys are suggesting he was pouting.

He played in Hartford his rookie season. He played in Hartford last season. He should have made the team this season after a strong camp, but started in Hartford.

He was never given a chance in the top-9, even though Quinn said that would have possibly helped him get going.

Pisses me off his request went public, but so did Gorton’s attempt to trade him to Edmonton. I obviously want what’s best for the team, but some of you guys are neglecting what the Rangers brass could have done differently.

The kid feels there’s no future for him here. I don’t see his request to be traded as pouting.

He didn't start in Hartford, Chytil did.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He didn't start in Hartford, Chytil did.

Details become fuzzy after drink #3. Thanks for the correction.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really dislike how he was handled specifically this season. It felt like his skills would transition to the wing really well and yet he was never really given a chance to grab a larger role. It’s a rebuilding year.

I understand some may say he had to prove he could take more but I’m looking at guys like Smith, McKegg, Howden and others who don’t provide much and yet their thrown out there.

 

[SA16]

Not sure why some of you guys are suggesting he was pouting.

He played in Hartford his rookie season. He played in Hartford last season. He should have made the team this season after a strong camp, but started in Hartford.

He was never given a chance in the top-9, even though Quinn said that would have possibly helped him get going.

Pisses me off his request went public, but so did Gorton’s attempt to trade him to Edmonton. I obviously want what’s best for the team, but some of you guys are neglecting what the Rangers brass could have done differently.

The kid feels there’s no future for him here. I don’t see his request to be traded as pouting.

He was drafted two years ago and has played more NHL games than all but 8 players in the draft so far (4 of which were drafted in the six picks before him). His role in the NHL has been bad but it's ridiculous to expect he should have got more NHL time based on everyone else in the draft.

 

[dshea19]

I really dislike how he was handled specifically this season. It felt like his skills would transition to the wing really well and yet he was never really given a chance to grab a larger role. It’s a rebuilding year.

I understand some may say he had to prove he could take more but I’m looking at guys like Smith, McKegg, Howden and others who don’t provide much and yet their thrown out there.

I think my biggest problem is that he couldn't definitively outplay Howden, a guy who is ultimately not a part of the important core but an expendable 4th line forward. To me, that is the most telling thing. The fact that there is any level of discussion of Howden being any kind of obstacle to Lias is just a huge red flag in itself. Ultimately, where the Rangers failed most was in not keeping him in Sweden last year.

 

[Levitate]

and 2 years lated had 14 goals in 64 AHL games, his scoring getting progressively worse just like Lias'. And Lundmark also asked to be traded, probably multiple times.

My point was really that Lundmark had more success than Andersson

 

[CasusBelli]

 

[Leetch3]

Trade him for puljujarvi and move on. I never saw much in lias. He had a good preseason but aside from that he's been crap almost his entire tenure here.

we tried and the oilers said no cause they don't think lias can play at nhl speeds...basically same thing quinn said

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He was drafted two years ago and has played more NHL games than all but 8 players in the draft so far (4 of which were drafted in the six picks before him). His role in the NHL has been bad but it's ridiculous to expect he should have got more NHL time based on everyone else in the draft.

I believe you do everything you can to set a player up for success. I don’t believe that was the case with Lias.

Im not a Lias fanboy who feels he’s some innocent kid. He deserves to shoulder a lot of the blame.

I’m just thinking about some nights where Howden played like complete horse**** and Lias probably should have had a few looks there — and perhaps on Wing.

It also infuriates me that Quinn agreed that moving Lias up probably would have sparked him. That was a good interview and it shed some light on what Lias could and should have been doing differently. I loved Quinn’s straight responses. I’m just wondering how the hell can you not give the kid that opportunity when you feel it will help him.

That just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[NYR Viper]

we tried and the oilers said no cause they don't think lias can play at nhl speeds...basically same thing quinn said

I truly believe that is posturing from the Edmonton group

 

[kovazub94]

This one is easy.

The kids drafted by the NYR Quinn is supposed to develop are far ahead of him tactically.... no wonder the kids get frustrated.

Yes, you have to be strong along the boards in the NHL and yes you have to crash the net and show up at the far post, but there is a hell of a lot more to hockey than that.

Quinn's 3 zone and puck possession hockey is primitive.

Lias was described as a very coachable player by his Swedish coaches. How is a kid like that, that looks to be methodical and responsible and actually thinks the game, going to find traction on a Quinn team?

It's a total train wreck of a culture crash.

Hmm, Buchnevich responded, ADA responded. So did Chytil. All these guys are extremely skilled offensively and there’s zero evidence that their skills were suppressed or regressed under Quinn’s tutelage. If anything, Lias should have easier time adopting to it compared to these other prospects.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think big issue is why so many of our top prospects are struggling to score, not just Lias. Kravtsov goes to AHL gets demoted/scratched, goes back to Russia, struggles there as well. What is going on. Why is this happening to so many players? How does Kovacs score only 2 goals in 72 AHL games? How does Stromwall score only 2 goals in 44 AHL games? How does Meskanen get 0 goals in 20 AHL games? Our 2 big free agent prospect signings Newell has just 3 goals in 30 games and Elmer is not even on the team anymore after just 1 game.

 

[kovazub94]

I really dislike how he was handled specifically this season. It felt like his skills would transition to the wing really well and yet he was never really given a chance to grab a larger role. It’s a rebuilding year.

I understand some may say he had to prove he could take more but I’m looking at guys like Smith, McKegg, Howden and others who don’t provide much and yet their thrown out there.

I made a bit of lengthy post on this but in shirt maybe the Rangers didn’t want to “reward” Andersson this opportunity for how he handled it when he wasn’t immediately promoted.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

My point was really that Lundmark had more success than Andersson

That AHL team was stacked offensively Hartford Wolf Pack 2001-02 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com and John Paddock was one of the best coaches Wolfpack ever had.

 

[kovazub94]

I think my biggest problem is that he couldn't definitively outplay Howden, a guy who is ultimately not a part of the important core but an expendable 4th line forward. To me, that is the most telling thing. The fact that there is any level of discussion of Howden being any kind of obstacle to Lias is just a huge red flag in itself. Ultimately, where the Rangers failed most was in not keeping him in Sweden last year.

Agree, but not last year - rather two years ago.

 

[Leetch3]

I think Andersson has been done with all of this for a while.

Right, wrong or otherwise, I think after he was getting less than 10 mins a game three games into the season, he probably checked out. By this point he probably felt there was no where to go but down here.

I don’t agree with his approach, and it wouldn’t be my approach, but I kind of get it at the same time.

hard to dispute this theory and if try I don't see how any of this is on the rangers. so he worked hard for 2 preseason games and thought he had earned a spot and threw a temper tantrum when he didn't get one? its bad enough for people here to think that way but if he actual thought it man that is bad.

i've been a big lias supporter constantly telling people they need to be patient and give him more time, most guys his age wouldn't even be in the nhl at this point blah blah blah. but for him to go out like this...its bad enough if a top skill guy like kravtsov thinks he doesn't need to work. but in what world does lias andersson think he is skilled enough to get by without being the hardest working guy on the ice?

I think thats the part that hurts. no one should be surprised that he didn't make it due to his skill level or skating. but he was supposed to be a warrior, a guy that busted his behind and was a leader...so for him to whimper out due to his attitude and work ethic would be a truly sad ending

 

[Leetch3]

I truly believe that is posturing from the Edmonton group

possible...also possible that they have seen lias play before

 

[NYR Viper]

possible...also possible that they have seen lias play before

And their thought on Puljujaarvi who has many more NHL games played with similar results?

 

[kovazub94]

hard to dispute this theory and if try I don't see how any of this is on the rangers. so he worked hard for 2 preseason games and thought he had earned a spot and threw a temper tantrum when he didn't get one? its bad enough for people here to think that way but if he actual thought it man that is bad.

i've been a big lias supporter constantly telling people they need to be patient and give him more time, most guys his age wouldn't even be in the nhl at this point blah blah blah. but for him to go out like this...its bad enough if a top skill guy like kravtsov thinks he doesn't need to work. but in what world does lias andersson think he is skilled enough to get by without being the hardest working guy on the ice?

I think thats the part that hurts. no one should be surprised that he didn't make it due to his skill level or skating. but he was supposed to be a warrior, a guy that busted his behind and was a leader...so for him to whimper out due to his attitude and work ethic would be a truly sad ending

I had the same stance re. Andersson since he was drafted and now feel exactly the same as per your post.