Confirmed with Link: Lias Andersson asks for trade. No longer with NYR.

[duhmetreE]

#LiasWasTheProblem

Kravtsov scores.
Chytil scores.
Howden scores.
Kreider enters beastmode.

 

[nyr2k2]

It would have to be at least a 2nd round pick for me to move him. I see zero reason to move him for a 3rd round pick (or value of) or less. I'd rather him rot if that's the case.

That seems unnecessarily punitive, but to each their own. We accommodate lesser guys all the time. Even if the value sucks, just seems like it would be best for the organization to be able to move on completely, rather than have him be a story for as long as we choose to punish him (which sounds even worse when I type it).

 

[NernieBichols]

I agree with you but I’d include Kravtsov in the group with Kakko and Filip as someone who passed Lias up the prospect importance ladder.

Yup lias saw that clearly I’m sure when kravtsov got back and left a week or so after?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I am curious why Lias' AHL production this season was so low. Who is to blame for that?

 

[NernieBichols]

I'm in the let him rot camp. By let him rot, I mean let him play in Europe until his trade value goes up (it can't get any lower) or he calms down from tantrum. One side made his trade demand public and it wasn't the Rangers. **** him.

I’m in the same boat. If his value is terrible and your not happy with what you can get for him, let him play in Sweden for a season or two and trade him when his value is higher. That’s what holland plans to do with pool party right

 

[BroadwayStorm]

Ok officially a bad pick. I was killing it early and I ended up being right. But at the same time Quinn did this kid no favors.

 

[Levitate]

2 top 10 picks have looked to exit the Org in a very short period of time.

Is it really fair to just automatically label them entitled little whiners?

What is it that's going on behind the scenes, the elephant in the room?

Too be a fly on the wall..

It’s factually wrong to say Kravtsov tries to exit the organization

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think the issue most of us have with Lias is not his desire to be moved – but how, and when, he’s gone about it. Not only does it give off a very bad impression regarding his attitude, it puts him the team in an awful position, and oh by the way, makes it damn near impossible to meet his request in the near term.

If this had all happened behind the scenes, he had continued to work hard, communicated his unhappiness through his agent – and then if nothing had been resolved by season’s end, had come out and asked for trade, I think people would have a lot less of a problem with the situation.

Why, there is still plenty of time to move him before the deadline. The guy probably feels his career is on the line and wants something done. My guess is he asked to be traded before that is why he left the team now.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Odds are that the trade request came weeks ago, and we are just getting to know when Lias and his agent went public with it.

Well then, 1) the request came too early, 2) it would belie the idea that the rumors about the Rangers inquiring about moving him for Puljujärvi was one of the instigating factors that led to this move, and most importantly, 3) it doesn't (or shouldn't) change how he needed to go about your business this year. (Also, the fact that his agent may have said "my client is not happy" several weeks back, doesn't change the fact that Lias leaving the team just happened to come out after back-to-back pastings where he by all reports was horrendous on the ice. Not a good look.)

None of which is to say that I'm claiming the likely parting of the ways is all on him. I mean, I think it's pretty clear from my original post that I'd absolutely be understanding if he'd gone about this differently. For the record, I personally think the whole Andersson/Howden thing is by far the principal cause, and whether or not there was more to the story than what we could all see from the outside doesn't change the fact that we all could see it – and therefore, it's something the org should've addressed.

But by the same token, let's not forget, most draft picks from his year (and most picks in their D+3 year, generally) are either still playing back home/in the NCAAs or just getting their first taste of NA professional hockey. To throw his hands up, cause a spectacle, and go home in the middle of his 2nd year on his ELC as a 21-y-o...?

As I say, not a good look.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Maybe Mittelstadt was the chad all along.

The real Chad was the friends we made along the way.

 

[Konamic Ice Hockey]

I look at it like this:NYR have already spent a 1st on him, it is gone and not coming back. I tell him he has two options to the NHL, go back to the pack and play well or NYR loan him to SHL team and have his agent try find a trade that makes sense. No headache for headache deals, that does nothing for NYR. Until then, NYR keep his rights until they run to UFA. I think just trading him to trade him sets a bad precedent. Just like I support NCAA players going to free agency, I also support teams using the CBA to control the rights of players. Team took a chance on him and he is not showing them respect that they are doing what they think is best to make him a NHL player. Show players that if they want to demand a trade there is a way to do it and it is not this. I still think he can be a good player.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

That seems unnecessarily punitive, but to each their own. We accommodate lesser guys all the time. Even if the value sucks, just seems like it would be best for the organization to be able to move on completely, rather than have him be a story for as long as we choose to punish him (which sounds even worse when I type it).

It's not about being punitive.

It's about not being held hostage by some punk and getting the value we should get.

 

[NYR]

It’s factually wrong to say Kravtsov tries to exit the organization

But he did lol
Then got treated worse and ultimately came back.
Had things gone his way in Russia, would he have returned?

Why would a player and top 10 pick stall his development and leave the team where his next call is with the big team?

What's the reasoning behind all of this?

The answer is not that he's a whiner is all I'm saying.

There has to be more to this equation..

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't buy the whole "setting a precedent" angle. Ugly situations exist between players and teams all the time. I really don't think trading him sets a precedent that other guys will emulate, given that we're only here because of the shitty circumstances that preceded all of this.

The bad precedent would be not maximizing value because the kid pissed you off and you're resentful. I mean if he WANTS to go to Sweden and work on things and you think that's he way to build his value, cool. But letting him rot just to make a point when you could otherwise have an asset (even if it's not as good as you'd like), THAT'S the bad precedent.

 

[nyr2k2]

It's not about being punitive.

It's about not being held hostage by some punk and getting the value we should get.

Well, your true intentions get lost in the message of "suspend him and let him rot", which absolutely would be punitive.

And getting the value we should get, that's something that may be best-accomplished by working with the player rather than "letting him rot".

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Well, your true intentions get lost in the message of "suspend him and let him rot", which absolutely would be punitive.

And getting the value we should get, that's something that may be best-accomplished by working with the player rather than "letting him rot".

The only way for him to build value is to play. If he's not going to play, how does he build value? By leaving the team, he's given up and essentially said that he's not interested in working with the team to build value.

So you're stuck in a conundrum. The only way for him to do this, then, is to go to Europe. We hold the cards and should absolutely not move him as of right now.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Ok officially a bad pick. I was killing it early and I ended up being right. But at the same time Quinn did this kid no favors.

The player did no favors for himself. Dude was trash here. Was trash in the AHL. He was a horrible pick and Gordie should be fired. Blaming this on Quinn or Gorton is silly.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

There are two issues that I have with the organization in this situation with Andersson. I want to address them separately.

First, I hold the Rangers responsible for rushing Andersson’s progression up the ranks that likely had an impact on his development. The partially mitigating factor is that the Rangers were in rebuild and really wished for immediate dividends. Not a good excuse but could explain Gorton’s mindset that influenced decision making.

With the help of the hindsight (though if I recall even then I preferred him to stay in the SHL after WJC) it should have been a full D+1 year in the SHL, full D+2 in the AHL and then this year getting a cup of tea with the Rangers.

But this would blow up the ‘Lias was only drafted 7 because he was NHL ready and not BPA’ narrative

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I tell him I'll try and find you a trade but you arent playing and getting hurt before then so sit your ass down.

 

[nyr2k2]

The only way for him to build value is to play. If he's not going to play, how does he build value? By leaving the team, he's given up and essentially said that he's not interested in working with the team to build value.

So you're stuck in a conundrum. The only way for him to do this, then, is to go to Europe. We hold the cards and should absolutely not move him as of right now.

...I don't disagree, except possibly with the last part because none of us know exactly what value he does hold. But anyway, what you're describing here is not really the same as the drive-by "suspend him and let him rot" hit on your first post. But whatever.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

The real Chad was the friends we made along the way.

There certainly weren’t any friends made during this saga

 

[Konamic Ice Hockey]

I don't buy the whole "setting a precedent" angle. Ugly situations exist between players and teams all the time. I really don't think trading him sets a precedent that other guys will emulate, given that we're only here because of the ****ty circumstances that preceded all of this.

The bad precedent would be not maximizing value because the kid pissed you off and you're resentful. I mean if he WANTS to go to Sweden and work on things and you think that's he way to build his value, cool. But letting him rot just to make a point when you could otherwise have an asset (even if it's not as good as you'd like), THAT'S the bad precedent.

I see trading him as the easy way out and getting pennies on the dollar. Not good for a rebuild or really at any point in running a team. That is bad business to just trade him. Tell his agent NYR do things a certain way, you did not fallow this, so you need to fix it. NYR spent the pick and if it takes two years of him playing in the SHL to get value back that is fine. I honestly cannot see how letting him tell the team what to do, as anything but bad. Show that the team has strong management. This to me is about agent relationships not as much player. Let agents know that if they let things that are said behind closed doors, leak to the press and NYR have the high card they will use it. It is not about being spiteful but it is about using what is available to the org to do what is best for it. The agent asked for a trade, LA then tanked his value making it hard to make a trade, then agent leaks it to the press tanking value even more. Well NYR own his rights and path to the NHL(until he is 27 right?). Let the agent know he screwed up. I would tell them, we tried but you worked against us, it is something now both of you need to work at to fix.
Both sides need to take responsibility, I believe the NYR tried but the agent hurt any deals and also LAs play.

 

[Levitate]

But he did lol
Then got treated worse and ultimately came back.
Had things gone his way in Russia, would he have returned?

Why would a player and top 10 pick stall his development and leave the team where his next call is with the big team?

What's the reasoning behind all of this?

The answer is not that he's a whiner is all I'm saying.

There has to be more to this equation..

Your understanding of the situations is lacking

 

[Inferno]

Trade him for puljujarvi and move on. I never saw much in lias. He had a good preseason but aside from that he's been crap almost his entire tenure here.

 

[Kovalev27]

I am curious why Lias' AHL production this season was so low. Who is to blame for that?

himself


He played top mins with the best players Fogarty particularly has been fantastic, and top powerplay. He was awful. And they continued to stay with him as the top center. He got worse as the games went along his last 3 being particularly bad.