Confirmed with Link: Lias Andersson asks for trade. No longer with NYR.

[will1066]

Lemmy going with 400 grit today instead 1200.

 

[will1066]

Kreider had his murder face on with Giannone

 

[kovazub94]

Don't trade the guy. Allowing a bum like this to dictate anything is a bad move.

This and also have a plan where Andersson has a chance to rebuild his value (that honesty I can’t see going anywhere but up). For this time is needed.
Do not move him now.

 

[nyr2k2]

Don't trade the guy. Allowing a bum like this to dictate anything is a bad move.

What do you feel is the best move at this point?

 

[JustaFinnishGuy]

The value of a third round pick is just so low that unless they can get the equivalent value of a 2nd rounder for Lias it might just be a smarter option to let him return to Europe and play like the Oilers did with Pulju.

Have to correct you here, Jesse wanted to come over and did. The Oilers wanted him to stay but be able to put him in the AHL if needed.

 

[kovazub94]

I think there is a kakko effect.

Lias and kravtsov were golden boys or told they were and suddenly kakkos the golden child and the front office is less hands on. And your getting sent down while kakko is fast-tracked and has been allowed to play even though he ain’t ready ever, and these guys felt passed over.

And maybe the rangers fundamental flaw being drawn to kids who have parents who are wealthy, overly involved and, the kids situation hints at having been given everything and had everything come easy to them, which might make it easier and more likely to tuck tail and head home when they realize at a certain point no one can hold your hand and you gotta sink or swim yourself

Might be the most important question the rangers don’t ask. How easy has it been for this kid to get here? Was he guided and handled through it? Or has the kid been on his own playing juniors/whatever and making his own way for awhile.

Rangers seem to draft a bunch of kids coming straight from mom and dads house, while a lot of Junior kids have been living with billet families and had to make that adjustment already. Or being on their own and having to learn to rely on themselves and not dropping everything to seek comfort when things are uncomfortable

I agree with you but I’d include Kravtsov in the group with Kakko and Filip as someone who passed Lias up the prospect importance ladder.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

What do you feel is the best move at this point?

Suspend him and let him rot.

I mean, really, let him go to Europe. And then qualify him once his ELC is up.

 

[kovazub94]

There are two issues that I have with the organization in this situation with Andersson. I want to address them separately.

First, I hold the Rangers responsible for rushing Andersson’s progression up the ranks that likely had an impact on his development. The partially mitigating factor is that the Rangers were in rebuild and really wished for immediate dividends. Not a good excuse but could explain Gorton’s mindset that influenced decision making.

With the help of the hindsight (though if I recall even then I preferred him to stay in the SHL after WJC) it should have been a full D+1 year in the SHL, full D+2 in the AHL and then this year getting a cup of tea with the Rangers.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

And here’s the thing - we now have Brett Howden getting starts at RW in an effort to keep him in a top 9 role.

Say what you will about Andersson, we didn’t really even try to get creative with him. We never went back to line mates he showed chemistry with. We admitted that ice time and linemates could help, and we didn’t do anything.

Again, I’m not condoning Andersson’s approach, but who is he dislodging from the lineup?

Zibanejad? Big no there.

Chytil? No.

Strome? Not likely.

Howden? No.

I mean let’s be honest for a second, forgetting this is hockey, I am willing to bet that no less than half this board would be looking for a new job or phoning it in if they were in a similar position in their own places of employment.

I’m sure that will be met with some pushback, because we’re all the virtuous heroes of our own self-directed movies, but its probably closer to the truth than we’d care to admit.

The difference is, the people above me on my Corporate “depth chart” aren’t going to get traded or injured. My VP has much better odds of being in his role next Fall than David Quinn (not saying DQ is nessecarily likely at all but my VP is ~100%).

Things chance fast in the NHL. Lias would have gotten an opportunity at some point. Pouting and running away (in year TWO of an ELC) reeks of entitlement.

 

[Edge]

The difference is, the people above me on my Corporate “depth chart” aren’t going to get traded or injured. My VP has much better odds of being in his role next Fall than David Quinn (not saying DQ is nessecarily likely at all but my VP is ~100%).

Things chance fast in the NHL. Lias would have gotten an opportunity at some point. Pouting and running away (in year TWO of an ELC) reeks of entitlement.

Actually, I’d say the biggest difference is that you can update your resume and pursue other opportunities and your job isn’t inherently based on whether people are willing to trade anything of value to your employer to procure your services.

 

[Idlerlee]

We could have done better by him. But seriously, asking for a trade when you can’t even make an NHL roster? That’s some sense of entitlement right there. And might explain why he’s not in the NHL. Does he think he is better than he is? We also dealt with this with Kravtsov - it took getting sent to the KHL minors to get his head right.

I don't get this mentality. Is he honor bound to though it up here and make it or not, or does he have the right to seek a new environment in hope his career can blossom?

The New York Ranger drafted him, we didn't sign a contract to rule his life and destiny.

If Lias feels that he is going nowhere and is stagnating, or he is even afraid that his NHL dream is slipping from him in Hartford, well duh he should take action.

Only in fantown is looking out for yourself considered entitled.

 

[kovazub94]

The second issue is the “mystery” why Andersson didn’t get a chance in Howden’s role. Personally I think Andersson should have done more to earn the promotion but even if you think there was merit, based on some past events and with this latest development, I hypothesize that Lias might have gotten this chance but he started to pout when he didn’t get it right away. Let’s remember that he was visibly not good when he was demoted to Hartford last season. It was surprising because he actually had decent games with Rangers when he got called back. He also played admittedly well in a couple of preseason games but after he didn’t get his chance to overtake Howden - his game completely fell off beyond anything remotely acceptable, even as a 4th liner. Then he gets sent down again and I don’t buy it that he’s not talented enough to play a lot better in the AHL than he did. My point is the Rangers didn’t give Andersson a chance because they noted a change in attitude after the first few games into the regular season. I recall shortly after that Quinn made a comment that implied Andersson wasn’t going something right in practice.

 

[Levitate]

The second issue is the “mystery” why Andersson didn’t get a chance in Howden’s role. Personally I think Andersson should have done more to earn the promotion but even if you think there was merit. Based on some past events and with this latest development, I’m hypothesize that Lias might have gotten this chance but he started to pout when he didn’t get it right away. Let’s remember that he was visibly not good when he was demoted to Hartford last season. It was surprising that he actually had decent games when he got called back. He also played admittedly well in a couple of preseason games but after he didn’t get his chance to overtake Howden - his game completely fell off anything remotely acceptable, even as a 4th liner. Got sent down again and I don’t buy it that he’s not talented enough to play a lot better in the AHL. My point is the Rangers didn’t give Andersson a chance because they noted a change in attitude after the first few games into the regular season. I recall shortly after that Quinn made a comment that implied Andersson wasn’t going something right in practice.

Yeah kinda intereseting point about not giving him a shot if they saw him pouting or "slacking" in practice because he wasn't in a lineup spot that he wanted

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I think the issue most of us have with Lias is not his desire to be moved – but how, and when, he’s gone about it. Not only does it give off a very bad impression regarding his attitude, it puts him the team in an awful position, and oh by the way, makes it damn near impossible to meet his request in the near term.

If this had all happened behind the scenes, he had continued to work hard, communicated his unhappiness through his agent – and then if nothing had been resolved by season’s end, had come out and asked for trade, I think people would have a lot less of a problem with the situation.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The second issue is the “mystery” why Andersson didn’t get a chance in Howden’s role. Personally I think Andersson should have done more to earn the promotion but even if you think there was merit. Based on some past events and with this latest development, I’m hypothesize that Lias might have gotten this chance but he started to pout when he didn’t get it right away. Let’s remember that he was visibly not good when he was demoted to Hartford last season. It was surprising that he actually had decent games when he got called back. He also played admittedly well in a couple of preseason games but after he didn’t get his chance to overtake Howden - his game completely fell off anything remotely acceptable, even as a 4th liner. Got sent down again and I don’t buy it that he’s not talented enough to play a lot better in the AHL. My point is the Rangers didn’t give Andersson a chance because they noted a change in attitude after the first few games into the regular season. I recall shortly after that Quinn made a comment that implied Andersson wasn’t going something right in practice.

Maybe he just revealed the mystery, maybe the kid is a shih ted, maybe he is an entitled pain in the ass and maybe he is just a quitter? Maybe

 

[EdJovanovski]

Maybe Mittelstadt was the chad all along.

 

[kovazub94]

Maybe he just revealed the mystery, maybe the kid is a shih ted, maybe he is an entitled pain in the ass and maybe he is just a quitter? Maybe

Some random older evens are building into a pattern now so there’s a lot more support to these “maybe’s”.

 

[haveandare]

Maybe Mittelstadt was the chad all along.

Eh, he's pretty terrible so far.

 

[Newfoundland]

Wow. Just hows how shitty of a person he is.

 

[Mikos87]

I think the issue most of us have with Lias is not his desire to be moved – but how, and when, he’s gone about it. Not only does it give off a very bad impression regarding his attitude, it puts him the team in an awful position, and oh by the way, makes it damn near impossible to meet his request in the near term.

If this had all happened behind the scenes, he had continued to work hard, communicated his unhappiness through his agent – and then if nothing had been resolved by season’s end, had come out and asked for trade, I think people would have a lot less of a problem with the situation.

Odds are that the trade request came weeks ago, and we are just getting to know when Lias and his agent went public with it.

 

[Crease]

I'm in the let him rot camp. By let him rot, I mean let him play in Europe until his trade value goes up (it can't get any lower) or he calms down from tantrum. One side made his trade demand public and it wasn't the Rangers. f*** him.

 

[nyr2k2]

Suspend him and let him rot.

I mean, really, let him go to Europe. And then qualify him once his ELC is up.

The goal here should be to make the best of the situation for the organization, not just to be punitive in the name of "sending a message" or something. I mean if there's a decent deal to be made and we pass it up because "f*** this kid", that's just negligent.

 

[nyr2k2]

Wow. Just hows how ****ty of a person he is.

While I was really upset with what Kravtsov showed when he chose to exercise his ELC, I never thought it made him a shitty person. Same here--I don't think it's appropriate to draw conclusions about the player as a person. Maybe that he's immature, rash, etc. But a shitty person? That seems like a huge leap.

 

[NYR]

2 top 10 picks have looked to exit the Org in a very short period of time.

Is it really fair to just automatically label them entitled little whiners?

What is it that's going on behind the scenes, the elephant in the room?

Too be a fly on the wall..

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The goal here should be to make the best of the situation for the organization, not just to be punitive in the name of "sending a message" or something. I mean if there's a decent deal to be made and we pass it up because "**** this kid", that's just negligent.

It would have to be at least a 2nd round pick for me to move him. I see zero reason to move him for a 3rd round pick (or value of) or less. I'd rather him rot if that's the case.