Confirmed with Link: Lias Andersson asks for trade. No longer with NYR.

[Levitate]

For sure. He looked fed up and frustrated when they sent him down last season. He started off playing decent hockey the first four games or so this season, then seemed frustrated again when it became clear that was going to be his role.

I thought the kid had a different mental makeup than this. But, I do think he has some reason to be upset. Shouldn't have walked away, but he does have reason to be upset. Requesting the trade is fine, but you still have to go out and play.

chytils better than him and got sent down and he worked through it. Outright pouting and giving up when being sent down isn’t good

 

[Edge]

yeah and that frustrates me...Quinn mishandled that situation to play favorites with a kid who isn’t that good. Even if he didn’t think Anderson was going to make it , it wouldn’t have hurt anything at all to give him a shot when Howden was struggling

And here’s the thing - we now have Brett Howden getting starts at RW in an effort to keep him in a top 9 role.

Say what you will about Andersson, we didn’t really even try to get creative with him. We never went back to line mates he showed chemistry with. We admitted that ice time and linemates could help, and we didn’t do anything.

Again, I’m not condoning Andersson’s approach, but who is he dislodging from the lineup?

Zibanejad? Big no there.

Chytil? No.

Strome? Not likely.

Howden? No.

I mean let’s be honest for a second, forgetting this is hockey, I am willing to bet that no less than half this board would be looking for a new job or phoning it in if they were in a similar position in their own places of employment.

I’m sure that will be met with some pushback, because we’re all the virtuous heroes of our own self-directed movies, but its probably closer to the truth than we’d care to admit.

 

[nyr2k2]

chytils better than him and got sent down and he worked through it. Outright pouting and giving up when being sent down isn’t good

Definitely not. I commented on how I was disappointed with him when it happened last season. Definitely need to go out and give it your best effort even if you've asked for the trade.

 

[Edge]

chytils better than him and got sent down and he worked through it. Outright pouting and giving up when being sent down isn’t good

And all of this is true.

But I do also think that he just didn’t see a future here and gave up. Again, not saying that’s the right approach, but I also don’t think it’s something that a lot of people don’t do in their own lives.

The key difference being that most people don’t have a message board following their every action when they’re rolling into the office every day.

 

[Levitate]

And here’s the thing - we now have Brett Howden getting starts at RW in an effort to keep him in a top 9 role.

Say what you will about Andersson, we didn’t really even try to get creative with him. We never went back to line mates he showed chemistry with. We admitted that ice time and linemates could help, and we didn’t do anything.

Again, I’m not condoning Andersson’s approach, but who is he dislodging from the lineup?

Zibanejad? Big no there.

Chytil? No.

Strome? Not likely.

Howden? No.

I mean let’s be honest for a second, forgetting this is hockey, I am willing to bet that no less than half this board would be looking for a new job or phoning it in if they were in a similar position in their own places of employment.

I’m sure that will be met with some pushback, because we’re all the virtuous heroes of our own self-directed movies, but its probably closer to the truth than we’d care to admit.

yeah i don’t disagree, I think both sides have some issues here. I think Anderson hasn’t progressed as hoped and the Rangers seemed to not like his development at all either and didn’t give him a chance

 

[mas0764]

This last call down felt dry different all around.

And I suspected there was going to be a feeling from the Andersson camp that nothing was going to change.

So do you think there is any way this is salvageable?

 

[Edge]

Definitely not. I commented on how I was disappointed with him when it happened last season. Definitely need to go out and give it your best effort even if you've asked for the trade.

And I’ll say it again, if this is the reaction of two top picks, there is a fundamental flaw in what the Rangers are looking for in players and they need to address it.

Because either they aren’t identifying it early enough, or their approach is not connecting with their target audience.

 

[Edge]

So do you think there is any way this is salvageable?

No.

I think it was on thin ice after the preseason. I think everything since served as the final nails in the coffin.

I never say never. But this relationship feels over.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

He better still be on his way out

If he takes Fast with him, the sooner the better.

 

[doomscroll]

And here’s the thing - we now have Brett Howden getting starts at RW in an effort to keep him in a top 9 role.

Say what you will about Andersson, we didn’t really even try to get creative with him. We never went back to line mates he showed chemistry with. We admitted that ice time and linemates could help, and we didn’t do anything.

Again, I’m not condoning Andersson’s approach, but who is he dislodging from the lineup?

Zibanejad? Big no there.

Chytil? No.

Strome? Not likely.

Howden? No.

I mean let’s be honest for a second, forgetting this is hockey, I am willing to bet that no less than half this board would be looking for a new job or phoning it in if they were in a similar position in their own places of employment.

I’m sure that will be met with some pushback, because we’re all the virtuous heroes of our own self-directed movies, but its probably closer to the truth than we’d care to admit.

Hopefully someone in the front office is bold enough to say “hey, maybe we should re-visit our approach with these young players”. The pigeonholing of character in the org has resulted in uncharacteristic push-back and an *unnecessarily* bad hockey team, and that is on management to address.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I dunno I just keep coming back to the whole “Lias is a high character guy” and yet he demands a trade and then just bails on the team.

Leslie is saying Hartford players are surprised he left

The optics on this whole situation are just terrible all around

 

[Edge]

I dunno I just keep coming back to the whole “Lias is a high character guy” and yet he demands a trade and then just bails on the team.

Leslie is saying Hartford players are surprised he left

The optics on this whole situation are just terrible all around

And yet it’s the second time in 8 weeks for this organization.

 

[Levitate]

And I’ll say it again, if this is the reaction of two top picks, there is a fundamental flaw in what the Rangers are looking for in players and they need to address it.

Because either they aren’t identifying it early enough, or their approach is not connecting with their target audience.

Kravtsov feels a bit different and seems like he’s come back ready to work and try to earn a callup. What I think the Rangers have to be careful with when it comes to him is make it clear there’s a path to the NHL and that they’ll call him up if he keeps working hard and an opportunity comes up.

 

[Doctyl]

And yet it’s the second time in 8 weeks for this organization.

I feel like this is very different from the Kravtsov scenario

 

[SA16]

And yet it’s the second time in 8 weeks for this organization.

He didn't leave and demand a trade. He used a clause negotiated in his contract with every intention of returning after the year.

 

[Edge]

Kravtsov feels a bit different and seems like he’s come back ready to work and try to earn a callup. What I think the Rangers have to be careful with when it comes to him is make it clear there’s a path to the NHL and that they’ll call him up if he keeps working hard and an opportunity comes up.

Eh, part of me wonders if that’s more a product of what happened in Russia and not necessarily a complete buy-in to what the Rangers are selling.

If that doesn’t go south, I think he’s still over there and we’re probably talking about this issue a bit more.

 

[mas0764]

Well it kinda feels like the Rangers are blowing this rebuild. And I’m beginning to doubt whether the front office has the right pieces in place to make this work. I have faith in Gorton, but the rest of the holdovers, and the coaching staff, I dunno. Seems like there is a lot of frustration among the prospects.

I was all for signing Panarin, but enough of the fricking trying to win, Quinn. Your job is to 1) develop the kids, and 2) get another high draft pick. If you are simply too good to get a high pick, so be it, but they continue to roll guys out there like Smith, Howden, Staal, etc.

When it was Kravtsov it was one thing, it was believable that it was maybe his own personality. Now it’s shifting the other way to where it looks like the staff might be too inflexible in their demands to let the kids grow into the roles, and they are turning to no-upside washed up veterans who will at least follow orders. That would be inexcusable.

I repeat, Quinn has no other job but to develop these kids. That is the ONLY reason I want him here. Winning games this season is completely and utterly irrelevant, so if he feels like he’s gotta push this team to the playoffs he is sadly mistaken. He has to integrate the kids and it looks like his approach is failing right now.

 

[Joey Bones]

A little late to the party here. Definitely shocked by the news. Safe to say that both sides are in the wrong....

Rangers have definitely not put him in the right situations. Playing on bottom lines with minimal minutes, very little room to improve offensive skill.

On the other hand, Lias had a lot to show in Hartford. PP & top line minutes, how could you not produce? His skating did get better this year, but not nearly good enough to maintain an NHL game. Seems incredibly streaky.

I remember wanting Suzuki at No. 7 after Pettersson & Glass came off the board. The pick was a reach from the get-go. Could’ve been rewarding, but now we’re here.

It goes both ways. The Rangers sent him down to learn the center game. He took it as a lost opportunity. I wish him luck wherever he goes, but he’s got to work on his game. Otherwise, he won’t last long in the NHL

 

[Edge]

He didn't leave and demand a trade. He used a clause negotiated in his contract with every intention of returning after the year.

It’s still a second top pick who would rather be elsewhere than Hartford, after a short stint there.

We can debate the reasons all day long. But that’s not a common occurrence.

 

[mas0764]

I wonder if Knoblauch is a problem. I think there were rumors of him being a hard ass, no?

 

[Doctyl]

Eh, part of me wonders if that’s more a product of what happened in Russia and not necessarily a complete buy-in to what the Rangers are selling.

If that doesn’t go south, I think he’s still over there and we’re probably talking about this issue a bit more.

I agree, but I think part of it was a maturity thing. He’s still a teenager coming to America with expectations of making the roster. The coach told him he was doing the right thing the whole time, then he gets cut and Brendan Smith makes it. He goes down to the AHL and the coach doesn’t give him a chance. Healthy scratching your number 2 prospect in his 2nd game is absolutely ridiculous.

I felt like with Kravtsov he knew he needed to get more ice time and improve and he could make the team. I feel like LA has just given up after the organization has shown no interest in his success at all.

I’m not sure we would’ve sent guys over to try to bring Lias back if he was struggling in the SHL.

 

[PalmCoastRanger]

And I’ll say it again, if this is the reaction of two top picks, there is a fundamental flaw in what the Rangers are looking for in players and they need to address it.

Because either they aren’t identifying it early enough, or their approach is not connecting with their target audience.

This observation is subtle, but the effects - if accurate - is seismic. Is the front office, scouts, etc. projecting unto their respective draft picks what they could have been as players? Wherein they don't care to work with the inherent skill set of each player. Instead, the Front Office attempt to turn each drafted player into an ultimate avatar of themselves.

I hope you are off target, Edge and we're just staring into tea leaves too much.

 

[Edge]

I agree, but I think part of it was a maturity thing. He’s still a teenager coming to America with expectations of making the roster. The coach told him he was doing the right thing the whole time, then he gets cut and Brendan Smith makes it. He goes down to the AHL and the coach doesn’t give him a chance. Healthy scratching your number 2 prospect in his 2nd game is absolutely ridiculous.

I felt like with Kravtsov he knew he needed to get more ice time and improve and he could make the team. I feel like LA has just given up after the organization has shown no interest in his success at all.

I’m not sure we would’ve sent guys over to try to bring Lias back if he was struggling in the SHL.

I definitely think there reasons are different, and our approaches to both would need to be different.

But I’m not sure the Rangers aced either exam, despite the different subject matter. And if that’s the case, then it might be time to change study habits.

 

[dshea19]

It’s still a second top pick who would rather be elsewhere than Hartford, after a short stint there.

We can debate the reasons all day long. But that’s not a common occurrence.

Not sure Hartford is the issue as much as their expectations on where they should be playing.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

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