Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Harbour Dog]

who was BPA at 7? Mitts? We'd be tearing him apart right now too. Vilardi? This sub would have had a meltdown after his back injury, it looked like he might never make it to the NHL for a while there. Crappy draft, crappy spot to be drafting.

To be fair, there are probably a handful of guys who could of had strong arguments to be the BPA. Most of us at the time, would not of considered Lias to be one of them.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

who was BPA at 7? Mitts? We'd be tearing him apart right now too. Vilardi? This sub would have had a meltdown after his back injury, it looked like he might never make it to the NHL for a while there. Crappy draft, crappy spot to be drafting.

And this is why the expectations of a 7th overall pick were never realistic. Everyone expects a 1st line player because we never have these picks. We expect the most. But if you look at players drafted in that range, even in better drafts, there's guys like Connolly, Filatov, Hartnell and many others.

Add to that what you just explained, the players we missed out on haven't done anything either, and we can safely determine that it's a massive overreaction to say we messed up the pick.

Sure, with the power of hindsight we can cherry pick the best player and complain about not drafting him, but I wonder: Did other fanbases complain regularly about passing on Lundqvist 6 or 7 times in 2000?

One last thiing: BPA isn't players ranked individually. At least not by me. You rank them in groups/tiers. And in that 7-15 range, Lias Andersson was definitely one of them. It was a "best of the rest" scenario after the top-6. It was just unlucky to get the 7th pick in a 6-player draft

 

[egelband]

Just to play devil's advocate... Might the Rangers be viewed as favoring North American players ovee, say, Europeans? Gorton, Quinn, Sather, JD, Clark... To be clear, I don't think it makes sense they would sacrifice results to indulge their...taste. And I think plenty of Europeans have done great under NYR management. But Andersson here appears to be implying he was wronged somehow and it can't logically be a matter of 4-5 mins a game that drove him over the edge.
Again. Just throwing out a scenario to try to figure out the reasoning behind a pretty unprecedented (or at least very extreme and rare) act.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Imo it was Brännström

He hasn't proven he belongs yet, either, although he looks like he has the tools to make it. His size will always be a problem, IMO.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Honest opinion: Those of you who are pissed at Lias for asking for a trade, needs to just quit it. He is not mandated by morals to remain with the organization if he does not want to. Asking for a trade to save his career is the least he can do to protect himself from a decay into nothingness if he feels it might become nothing.

It's not like he wa a stray dog picked up at the park is it? He would have been drafted by any number of clubs. It doesn't work out here. Fine, that's it, let the player leave.

no one is pissed at him for asking for a trade.

People are pissed at him for quitting on the team, literally walking out, and doing everything he can to tank his value completely. The dude is a punk.

Equating this to merely asking for a trade is laughable.

 

[NYRKindms]

Yes. The pizza here is great. Other than that... Blah, stuck up Yalies. I miss the days of the New Haven Coliseum. Although I was a kid when the AHL was here it was great to go to. At least there is Bridgeport and Hartford.

You were a kid when the Coliseum was there but you talk about stuck up Yalies ? Are you a 50+ hitting on college kids or something ?

New Haven is a good town, great music scene and plenty of good places to go out and have a good time. as mentioned good pizza and a decent amount of good bars. Hartford has seen better days but to make CT out as some hell hole isn't accurate at all. not to mention Hartford is only about an hour or so from bigger cities. Not like these guys are stuck in Siberia or something

But at the end of the day you dont quit on your team. and to be honest he was given an opportunity to grind and go in to the corners and etc and he didnt seem like he wanted to play a Fast like game. It really seems like the kid thinks he is better than he is and doesn't want to adapt to a better league by changing up his game. Which is fine but you make it harder to get that trade if you dont have success on the ice and also come with potential headaches.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Just to play devil's advocate... Might the Rangers be viewed as favoring North American players ovee, say, Europeans?

There is literally nothing that would indicate any bias for North Americans. We have a diverse squad.

 

[egelband]

There is literally nothing that would indicate any bias for North Americans. We have a diverse squad.

I agree, but what we know doesn't add up to a guy blowing up and cutting bait halfway through the season while under contract.
I'm just trying to figure out the missing ingredient to this whole stupid soup

 

[Inferno]

And this is why the expectations of a 7th overall pick were never realistic. Everyone expects a 1st line player because we never have these picks. We expect the most. But if you look at players drafted in that range, even in better drafts, there's guys like Connolly, Filatov, Hartnell and many others.

Add to that what you just explained, the players we missed out on haven't done anything either, and we can safely determine that it's a massive overreaction to say we messed up the pick.

Sure, with the power of hindsight we can cherry pick the best player and complain about not drafting him, but I wonder: Did other fanbases complain regularly about passing on Lundqvist 6 or 7 times in 2000?

One last thiing: BPA isn't players ranked individually. At least not by me. You rank them in groups/tiers. And in that 7-15 range, Lias Andersson was definitely one of them. It was a "best of the rest" scenario after the top-6. It was just unlucky to get the 7th pick in a 6-player draft

It's also important to note...and this goes more than anything else for me, that going into the draft it was almost universally considered a crap draft outside the top 5. And really that has totally held true.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It's also important to note...and this goes more than anything else for me, that going into the draft it was almost universally considered a crap draft outside the top 5. And really that has totally held true.

This was completely different from 2010 or 2003

 

[BBKers]

also his father

There is a pretty big cheerleading squad here that thinks he is an exceptional talent for whatever reason. Give DRW the challenge for an amicable return

 

[mike14]

There is a pretty big cheerleading squad here that thinks he is an exceptional talent for whatever reason. Give DRW the challenge for an amicable return

Could you name names? Even at his best moments the consensus narrative seemed to be that he'd a be a complimentary top 6 player/2nd line center who'd score 20+ goals and provide some leadership.
None of which really screams 'exceptional talent'...

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There is a pretty big cheerleading squad here that thinks he is an exceptional talent for whatever reason. Give DRW the challenge for an amicable return

Who interests you on the Red Wings for Lias?

 

[BBKers]

Could you name names? Even at his best moments the consensus narrative seemed to be that he'd a be a complimentary top 6 player/2nd line center who'd score 20+ goals and provide some leadership.
None of which really screams 'exceptional talent'...

I could. But will refrain

 

[mike14]

I could. But will refrain

of course...

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Who interests you on the Red Wings for Lias?

E. Svechnikov and use him and his influence to get Andrei here

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

E. Svechnikov and use him and his influence to get Andrei here

In 12 years, like we did with Eric Staal

 

[Raspewtin]

And this is why the expectations of a 7th overall pick were never realistic. Everyone expects a 1st line player because we never have these picks. We expect the most. But if you look at players drafted in that range, even in better drafts, there's guys like Connolly, Filatov, Hartnell and many others.

Add to that what you just explained, the players we missed out on haven't done anything either, and we can safely determine that it's a massive overreaction to say we messed up the pick.

They might not have "done anything" in the specific way some on this board conceptualize "anything" but a lot of players that you could've made a good case for over Andersson are developing well and would bring skills that would make them one of our best and most exciting prospects.

You can wax on for years about how Andersson was in North America and doing ok a year after his draft, where did that get him? For a player that was billed to not be any kind of dynamic talent but to be a meat and potatoes guy, it was pretty damn alarming that none of this materialized when the billings of him were as follows; "mature player" "north-south, future leader" "very NHL ready" "captian material".

Sure, with the power of hindsight we can cherry pick the best player and complain about not drafting him, but I wonder: Did other fanbases complain regularly about passing on Lundqvist 6 or 7 times in 2000?

what a ridiculous comparison. Lundqvist was a damn 7th round pick that likely appeared on no team's radars and was a lottery ticket on draft day. Andersson was a reach (you can debate whether he was or wasn't till you're bluefaced but the majority of analysts did not have him where he was drafted) in a pool of flawed, but potentially exciting talent; and a low potential reach. All it took was one summer for the most optimistic expectations of Andersson to become Brandon Dubinsky lite. This is way more McIlrath (it's not) than Lundqvist.

One last thiing: BPA isn't players ranked individually. At least not by me. You rank them in groups/tiers. And in that 7-15 range, Lias Andersson was definitely one of them. It was a "best of the rest" scenario after the top-6. It was just unlucky to get the 7th pick in a 6-player draft

We still went for #characterandgrit over skill and lost. You can try to justify the pick until 2027 but call it what it is. We went "safe" and it hurt us. If we went Mittlestadt (who sucks) or Vilardi and it doesn't go well, so be it. Not every pick works. This pick didn't work and even if it did, it's a middle 6 center at best. Whoop-de-doo.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

There were *many* reports from Pack observers that he looked to be sulking on the ice in HFD not just this year, but last as well.

Which observers? Here's what Knoblauch said:

“Technically, I don’t know what his status is. The Rangers will make an announcement in the next few days. He isn’t here and he has asked for a trade. He contacted the organization and I have reached out to him. He texted me back. We wished each other well in the future. Whatever that is. He is a good hockey player and sometimes when you have a guy here who doesn’t want to be here, he can have a bad attitude, but that wasn’t the case with him at all,” Knoblauch said.

He didn’t know Andersson was feeling this way. “It was a complete surprise. He was a good team player. He was obviously frustrated with his lack of points, but since he came back he did what was asked of him.”

Knoblauch didn't have to say anything--he could have left it to the organization to speak out about the situation.

CANTLON'S CORNER: ANDERSSON BOLTS WOLF PACK

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Which observers? Here's what Knoblauch said:



Knoblauch didn't have to say anything--he could have left it to the organization to speak out about the situation.

CANTLON'S CORNER: ANDERSSON BOLTS WOLF PACK

Oh, c'mon, Brooklyn. You know the coach isn't going to throw him under the bus.

I'm talking about what posters here who watch the Pack live and in person have said.

 

[Levitate]

From what some of the writers have been saying it sounds like Andersson was upset about Howden getting a longer leash/more minutes than him and Andersson never being given a chance on a line up even when Howden was just as bad as he was.

and that's a legit issue even if I don't agree with how he went about handling the rest of the situation. Quinn didn't seem to think Andersson was good enough for playing on the third line even when the 3C was playing terrible. Right or wrong. That can certainly be frustrating for a player.
That said, Andersson didn't quite force the issue either. I thought he played alright at first and was at least doing more on his shifts than Howden even if it wasn't like scoring points or generating a ton of chances, but he wasn't really going out there and doing all kinds of goods thigns and being held back by his linemates. So...it's tough, I want him to succeed, I think he should have been given a shot in Howden's spot, but he wasn't exactly "flashing" any talent that stood out either

 

[Trxjw]

From what some of the writers have been saying it sounds like Andersson was upset about Howden getting a longer leash/more minutes than him and Andersson never being given a chance on a line up even when Howden was just as bad as he was.

and that's a legit issue even if I don't agree with how he went about handling the rest of the situation. Quinn didn't seem to think Andersson was good enough for playing on the third line even when the 3C was playing terrible. Right or wrong. That can certainly be frustrating for a player.
That said, Andersson didn't quite force the issue either. I thought he played alright at first and was at least doing more on his shifts than Howden even if it wasn't like scoring points or generating a ton of chances, but he wasn't really going out there and doing all kinds of goods thigns and being held back by his linemates. So...it's tough, I want him to succeed, I think he should have been given a shot in Howden's spot, but he wasn't exactly "flashing" any talent that stood out either

I mean if Lias was hoping that he was going to be gifted a spot based on the poor play of his competition, that's a red flag in itself, IMO. If you want to be the "next guy in line" then you need to put yourself at the head of the line. Quinn clearly has a soft spot for work ethic, so if Lias couldn't get time ahead of guys who were performing just as poorly as he was, then it stands to reason that the coach didn't feel like the work ethic was there.

It seems like since he was drafted the Rangers have been waiting for him to take a step forward in his work ethic and preparedness. He certainly seemed like he got in better shape over the summer and was quicker in camp, but once he didn't get a spot in the top-9 it certainly seemed like he was coasting along and waiting for something positive to happen.

I mean Quinn treated Pionk like the golden-child and rode ADA pretty hard. Tony was able to battle through it and is a much better player for it. Chytil took his demotion in stride and never looked back. Maybe Lias just isn't cut from the right kind of cloth to succeed in this organization. Sometimes it's a good fit on paper but bad fit in practice and that's totally fine, but there's a right way to go about getting a fresh start and a wrong way. This is certainly the latter.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

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[Hi ImHFNYR]

Honest opinion: Those of you who are pissed at Lias for asking for a trade, needs to just
quit it. .

Or else what?

He is not mandated by morals to remain with the organization if he does not want to..

That's a strawman, no one said he was. We've benefited from quite a few prospects ditching the team that drafted them.

Asking for a trade to save his career is the least he can do to protect himself from a decay into nothingness if he feels it might become nothing.

I've seen this said repeatedly and I don't see anyone in disagreement about it. Who is arguing against this?

let the player leave.

No one is stopping him. We're just talking about how he's a **** for quitting the way he did considering he sucks

 

[Leetch3]

I mean if Lias was hoping that he was going to be gifted a spot based on the poor play of his competition, that's a red flag in itself, IMO. If you want to be the "next guy in line" then you need to put yourself at the head of the line. Quinn clearly has a soft spot for work ethic, so if Lias couldn't get time ahead of guys who were performing just as poorly as he was, then it stands to reason that the coach didn't feel like the work ethic was there.

It seems like since he was drafted the Rangers have been waiting for him to take a step forward in his work ethic and preparedness. He certainly seemed like he got in better shape over the summer and was quicker in camp, but once he didn't get a spot in the top-9 it certainly seemed like he was coasting along and waiting for something positive to happen.

I mean Quinn treated Pionk like the golden-child and rode ADA pretty hard. Tony was able to battle through it and is a much better player for it. Chytil took his demotion in stride and never looked back. Maybe Lias just isn't cut from the right kind of cloth to succeed in this organization. Sometimes it's a good fit on paper but bad fit in practice and that's totally fine, but there's a right way to go about getting a fresh start and a wrong way. This is certainly the latter.

Agree 100%...the argument for giving him more ice time is always negative about howden but rarely ever positive about lias. It’s always howden sucks why does he get to play and not lias deserves to play more because of his own play