Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Kravstov is back in Hartford? Or Russia?

Kravtsov has been back in Hartford for a couple weeks now. He has 2g 1a in 6GP and by all accounts he's been playing well.

 

[Zynbanejad]

Kravtsov has been back in Hartford for a couple weeks now. He has 2g 1a in 6GP and by all accounts he's been playing well.

Yikes can't believe I missed that news! Glad to see him back. Any reason for coming back after heading home?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

If a one for one for someone like Puljujarvi is on the table, i'd take it and run. if not, yeah he can sit on his hands for a while

 

[haveandare]

Yikes can't believe I missed that news! Glad to see him back. Any reason for coming back after heading home?

He got sent to the minors from the KHL and then Gorton requested he come back so the Rangers could control his ice time more. Hard to tell exactly why he was sent down in Russia also, but NYR was wise to figure he wasn't happy about it and would rather be in Hartford.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Yikes can't believe I missed that news! Glad to see him back. Any reason for coming back after heading home?

Well he wasn't getting a lot of ice time from Traktor, it seemed they'd moved on from him. He also wasn't playing particularly well. Then Traktor sent him down to their minor league squad which is very low level.

So Gorton intervened and got him back over here.

 

[bigdog16]

If a one for one for someone like Puljujarvi is on the table, i'd take it and run. if not, yeah he can sit on his hands for a while

Its already been reported that we explored that option and Edm shut it down pretty quickly. They think Puljujarvi is the superior player, and its hard to disagree with them

 

[eco's bones]

On the silver medal. I had no problem with what he did. Second place is kind of like not winning and Lias more or less inferred at the time--a loser's medal. Whether or not he was warned by the IIHF---who are they to be telling anyone what to do with their second place medals? It's his property now, right? The easy solution to it all for the IIHF is just give the gold medal recipients their medals and leave it at that.

Lias's overall play though has plateaued--whether he can kickstart and begin progressing again is the question I have. Could he have been pouting after being sent down to Hartford. Yeah...I'm sure it wasn't a happy day. But I'm also looking at a player whose team is winning almost every night and after 13 games he's -8. Something's just not right with that.

The way I look at it any question of whether he'll ever be a top 6 NHL forward has been answered already and that's a negative. His value was kind of already down before he left. The question now is can he turn into a bottom 6 NHL contributor. I think that's very possible but I'm not losing sleep over a guy with that kind of upside. There's no need to rush a deal but no need to punish him for his decision to leave the team either. I think we move him maybe in a package deal around the trade deadline. Good luck and see you later--go be Blake Comeau or Leo Komarov for somebody else.

 

[East Coast Bias]

The silver medal incident was nearly worth the draft pick alone.

The laughs reading the comments on the main boards from the “this is very serious/play the game the right way crowd” was worth it.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

On the silver medal. I had no problem with what he did. Second place is kind of like not winning and Lias more or less inferred at the time--a loser's medal. Whether or not he was warned by the IIHF---who are they to be telling anyone what to do with their second place medals? It's his property now, right? The easy solution to it all for the IIHF is just give the gold medal recipients their medals and leave it at that.

Lias's overall play though has plateaued--whether he can kickstart and begin progressing again is the question I have. Could he have been pouting after being sent down to Hartford. Yeah...I'm sure it wasn't a happy day. But I'm also looking at a player whose team is winning almost every night and after 13 games he's -8. Something's just not right with that.

The way I look at it any question of whether he'll ever be a top 6 NHL forward has been answered already and that's a negative. His value was kind of already down before he left. The question now is can he turn into a bottom 6 NHL contributor. I think that's very possible but I'm not losing sleep over a guy with that kind of upside. There's no need to rush a deal but no need to punish him for his decision to leave the team either. I think we move him maybe in a package deal around the trade deadline. Good luck and see you later--go be Blake Comeau or Leo Komarov for somebody else.

Here is the relevant info on the medal thing:

The announcement from the IIHF’s Disciplinary Board states:

“In the case of the players, immediately after the silver medal was placed around their necks and while still on the ice, all four players took the medals off and kept them in their hands for the remaining ceremony. Lias Andersson, who had been warned by the Co-Chairman of the championship not to take off the medal when he placed the medal around his neck, nevertheless took it off and tossed it into the stands.

By taking off the silver medals during the closing ceremony of the 2018 IIHF Ice Hockey World Junior Championship immediately after the medals had been placed around their necks, the players in question violated Championship Regulations Article 5.5.8 of the 2018 IIHF Ice Hockey World Junior Championship, according to which the silver medals are placed by IIHF representatives around the necks of the players and team officials and have to be worn around the neck in respectful manner for the duration of the closing ceremony and the following post-game mixed zone and media conference procedures.

According to IIHF Disciplinary Regulations Articles 1.2, 3.2, the players named were thus subject to disciplinary measures for the violations.”

IIHF Announces Suspension of Lias Andersson from 2019 World Junior Championship

Andersson was not the only player penalized...he did receive heaviest penalty due to tossing medal away.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Sure but the guy he was quoting said to suspend him all year, and then qualify him just to suspend him even longer. That's clearly not in in anyone's best interest and IS vindictive. Whether suspending him for some indeterminate time now is best is one thing, but suspending him for a season and a half, just because?

Sure it is. We aren't going to NOT qualify him.

You keep him suspended until he complies. Period.

 

[nyr2k2]

Sure it is. We aren't going to NOT qualify him.

You keep him suspended until he complies. Period.

Nah, if he sits out of all this season, all of NEXT season, and then is up for a QO? And we still haven't figured out a solution? Then I'd say he's no longer an NHL asset, an asset of any kind, and we should let him walk rather than essentially ending his career because he doesn't want to play with us. To not do so, for like the fiftieth time, would be punitive. I know you're cool with that and all, but I'm not.

Sometimes in management you need to be the bigger person, cut your losses and walk away. If he had sat out for a full season and a half...yeah, no reason to maintain his rights. That would look bad on everyone.

 

[jniklast]

Sure it is. We aren't going to NOT qualify him.

You keep him suspended until he complies. Period.

He can't be forced to sign the QO though, so he'd be free to sign in Europe. We'd keep his NHL rights though.

 

[nyr2k2]

He can't be forced to sign the QO though, so he'd be free to sign in Europe. We'd keep his NHL rights though.

The question would become, I think, is that if he sat out the rest of this year and all next year, would he receive credit for an ELC year? I mean I think it's a moot point as I'd wager on him being back this season, but still.

 

[Levitate]

Sitting out 1.5 years and not playing anywhere would be career suicide for a 21 year old hockey player

Somethign will happen eventually, either he'll come back and play to raise his value or the Rangers will find a trade for him

 

[eco's bones]

Here is the relevant info on the medal thing:

The announcement from the IIHF’s Disciplinary Board states:

“In the case of the players, immediately after the silver medal was placed around their necks and while still on the ice, all four players took the medals off and kept them in their hands for the remaining ceremony. Lias Andersson, who had been warned by the Co-Chairman of the championship not to take off the medal when he placed the medal around his neck, nevertheless took it off and tossed it into the stands.

By taking off the silver medals during the closing ceremony of the 2018 IIHF Ice Hockey World Junior Championship immediately after the medals had been placed around their necks, the players in question violated Championship Regulations Article 5.5.8 of the 2018 IIHF Ice Hockey World Junior Championship, according to which the silver medals are placed by IIHF representatives around the necks of the players and team officials and have to be worn around the neck in respectful manner for the duration of the closing ceremony and the following post-game mixed zone and media conference procedures.

According to IIHF Disciplinary Regulations Articles 1.2, 3.2, the players named were thus subject to disciplinary measures for the violations.”

IIHF Announces Suspension of Lias Andersson from 2019 World Junior Championship

Andersson was not the only player penalized...he did receive heaviest penalty due to tossing medal away.

That's great and all but it hardly rises to criminal behavior and it's arguable even if it's bad behavior. Lias Andersson earned his spot on Sweden's WJC team--he wasn't like even an employee of the IIHF--he just played in their tournament--something they market and make a lot of money off of and without compensating any of the athletes I might add. Honestly if it were me after the hand shaking ceremony I would have probably headed for the locker room. The handshake is sportsmanship enough. f*** off with the rest of it. Why would I want to stand around watching the other team that won have a big celebration?--just to please some stuff shirt IIHF apparatchiks? I don't think so.

 

[eco's bones]

FWIW Robin Kovacs, Malte Stromwall, Michael Lindqvist and Ville Meskanen all had their contracts terminated. Do any of us really know whether in all these cases these contract terminations were instigated by the players or by the Rangers? Because Andersson must have seen this too. Things aren't working out for such and such player and they're not working out for me either. They got to go back home and play. What about me?

 

[Deleted member 23124]

That's great and all but it hardly rises to criminal behavior and it's arguable even if it's bad behavior. Lias Andersson earned his spot on Sweden's WJC team--he wasn't like even an employee of the IIHF--he just played in their tournament--something they market and make a lot of money off of and without compensating any of the athletes I might add. Honestly if it were me after the hand shaking ceremony I would have probably headed for the locker room. The handshake is sportsmanship enough. **** off with the rest of it. Why would I want to stand around watching the other team that won have a big celebration?--just to please some stuff shirt IIHF apparatchiks? I don't think so.

While I respect your wish to blow off anything after the handshake, the problem is that (a) the rules are very clear and (b) it's not like it's something the IIHF just threw in there....it's part of the tradition and ceremony that's been done time and again in all tournaments -- even the Olympics. In addition, I would guess that the participants were well aware of the rules and the protocol.

That being said, in my opinion, it was bad behavior by him and his teammates....the throwing away of the medal just made matters worse.

 

[egelband]

Sure but the guy he was quoting said to suspend him all year, and then qualify him just to suspend him even longer. That's clearly not in in anyone's best interest and IS vindictive. Whether suspending him for some indeterminate time now is best is one thing, but suspending him for a season and a half, just because?

Thank you. Exactly.

 

[17futurecap]

FWIW Robin Kovacs, Malte Stromwall, Michael Lindqvist and Ville Meskanen all had their contracts terminated. Do any of us really know whether in all these cases these contract terminations were instigated by the players or by the Rangers? Because Andersson must have seen this too. Things aren't working out for such and such player and they're not working out for me either. They got to go back home and play. What about me?

I would imagine those guys realized the NHL wasn’t going to be in their future, while I would hope Lias still has NHL aspirations.

 

[eco's bones]

While I respect your wish to blow off anything after the handshake, the problem is that (a) the rules are very clear and (b) it's not like it's something the IIHF just threw in there....it's part of the tradition and ceremony that's been done time and again in all tournaments -- even the Olympics. In addition, I would guess that the participants were well aware of the rules and the protocol.

That being said, in my opinion, it was bad behavior by him and his teammates....the throwing away of the medal just made matters worse.

I respect yours too but let's keep in mind that all individuals are different from others at least in small ways and not everyone will always act the same. In this case it's an emotional series--expectations are high but then they lose the final game and Lias was playing injured. So he threw his heart into winning the WJC's and the team fell short. I think it's best not to judge from his reaction to all that. But personally I hate telling people what to do. To me people should do what makes them happy or happiest or at least as long as they're not harming anyone. Even more I really don't like people telling me what to do or how to live either. I've had issues with authority figures my entire life. I've had bosses but I never liked them. I managed to get through 4 years of the Coast Guard and almost 30 with the Postal Service--there were always issues. I'm much better with mutual cooperation. The USPS luckily had a union. Since retirement I've let all those animosities go though--they're useless baggage.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

This imo will be resolved only after Andersson starts playing hockey again. Gorton isnt giving him away and his value is at an all time low now.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm pretty sure if he doesn't report next season that year doesn't count and he would still need to serve out that year. I'm trying to find the language in the CBA but cannot. Probably need to finish my coffee.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The question would become, I think, is that if he sat out the rest of this year and all next year, would he receive credit for an ELC year? I mean I think it's a moot point as I'd wager on him being back this season, but still.

What does the CBA say on players suspended for conduct detrimental to the team such as this? Is the contract tolled?

 

[B17 Apricots]

Hopefully he gets in with an SHL team for the time being, by the deadline at least one guy will probably be gone. That should be a top 9 spot for him or Kravstov to lose. If he thinks he should be getting the minutes that's his chance to actually prove it

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Nah, if he sits out of all this season, all of NEXT season, and then is up for a QO? And we still haven't figured out a solution? Then I'd say he's no longer an NHL asset, an asset of any kind, and we should let him walk rather than essentially ending his career because he doesn't want to play with us. To not do so, for like the fiftieth time, would be punitive. I know you're cool with that and all, but I'm not.

Sometimes in management you need to be the bigger person, cut your losses and walk away. If he had sat out for a full season and a half...yeah, no reason to maintain his rights. That would look bad on everyone.

That’s absurd. You aren’t going to let a top 10 pick walk without a QO because he threw a hissy fit.