Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Irishguy42]

I mean Brian Burke kinda sucks tho

He's very hit or miss.

He is smart once for every time he's dumb twice.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I mean Brian Burke kinda sucks tho

But he is kinda right. It's not like Andersson is an RFA, he has a contract, so go play in the AHL and work hard like Chytil and everyone else and wait for your turn to be called up. I thought Andersson had some good character traits but Andersson seems to have character issues. How did the Rangers not know the difference????

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He’s worth nothing at that point, yet you still do not allow someone to dictate terms like that due to a hissy fit. Far too many assets invested for that.

The only reason for not qualifying him is to clear up a spot on your reserve list but the Rangers aren't close to their limit

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

If skating was a known issue why didn't he work on it for the last 3 off seasons? Why didn't Rangers ask him to work on it?

Their draft ideology sucks:
they draft him because he is a good leader? BS
most NHL ready? BS
great 2 way player? BS
hard worker? BS
captain material? BS
they were worried he was going to be taken by some other team in the draft? dumbest reasoning ever, yet it seems to always be a serious reasoning for our drafting department.

 

[jniklast]

If I were the Rangers, I'd simply tell him that he first must come back an report to Hartford and then they might talk about a loan. If he doesn't do that, he'd simply stay suspended forever - or at least until his ELC is up.

 

[cwede]

If I were the Rangers, I'd simply tell him that he first must come back an report to Hartford and then they might talk about a loan. If he doesn't do that, he'd simply stay suspended forever - or at least until his ELC is up.

Sorry I dont get the benefit '- to the team - of these 'tough guy', punitive, courses of action, which have repeatedly been suggested here.
Maybe satisfying, for a "how dare he?" "we'll show him who's boss" attitide,
but seems self-indulgent, and besides the point,
in terms of real world, best paths forward, for NYR

 

[jniklast]

Sorry I dont get the benefit '- to the team - of these 'tough guy', punitive, courses of action, which have repeatedly been suggested here.
Maybe satisfying, for a "how dare he?" "we'll show him who's boss" attitide,
but seems self-indulgent, and besides the point,
in terms of real world, best paths forward, for NYR

Well, I would say it could benefit his future trade value if he returns "voluntarily" to Hartford and is only loaned afterwards. I'd say that sounds better to other NHL teams than a prospect flat out refusing to report again.
Also I think it would be "right" that he'd apologize and report again. It's okay to ask for a trade, bit refusing to report is breaching the contract he signed.

 

[cwede]

Well, I would say it could benefit his future trade value if he returns "voluntarily" to Hartford and is only loaned afterwards. I'd say that sounds better to other NHL teams than a prospect flat out refusing to report again.
Also I think it would be "right" that he'd apologize and report again. It's okay to ask for a trade, bit refusing to report is breaching the contract he signed.

i would agree with these points, that he should return and apologize, (not just for his trade value but) out of respect for the organization, his teammates, and his reputation

the part i don't agree with is the punishment/coercion part:
"f he doesn't do that, he'd simply stay suspended forever - or at least until his ELC is up."

he doesn't do it, then he faces whatever consequences that the market applies to him,
but IMHO, NYR should just play it straight

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Sorry I dont get the benefit '- to the team - of these 'tough guy', punitive, courses of action, which have repeatedly been suggested here.
Maybe satisfying, for a "how dare he?" "we'll show him who's boss" attitide,
but seems self-indulgent, and besides the point,
in terms of real world, best paths forward, for NYR

I'm of the opinion he has already proven himself overseas, he has to prove himself here before we can get any value out of him, and if he has no value we can't trade him. So for him, he needs to get back to Hartford and prove he is a north american player, until then Gortons hands are tied.

 

[offdacrossbar]

lias has handled this very poorly. he and his "people" advising him have screwed up.

his body of work is poor. his numbers show a kid who was not ready and/or isnt skilled enough perhaps. his skating is a thing and the early book isnt glowing. then theres the silver medal thing.

it all adds up to a very bad situation for the kid.

i would predict some serious "tail between the legs hoping for a 2nd chance stuff "after he apologizes to the organization, his teammates, the coaches and the fans.

thats how it will play out.

or he will get traded but only after his value has been reestablished.

 

[NYSPORTS]

So what is Lias doing these days? Posting on Instagram? Do the Rangers even know? This is the second top 10 pick to jettison the Hartford team to run home.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

If they are dealing Georgiev I wonder if they are throwing in Lias to help lift the value a little. My guess is Arizona

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I think he goes with Skjei in a trade.

Georgiev could be traded after season ends there would be more buyers for a goalie at that time.

 

[Rangers ftw]

I don’t believe this to be a result of poor advising. His father is scout for LA Kings, he surely knows what could be the result of Lias’ actions. I believe the reason he acted as he did is because he found the situation with Quinn/Rangers unsustainable and that there was no way he could stay here any longer, no matter the consequences. It’s no secret that Quinn hasn’t been a fan of Lias, and imo there is no rational explanation to why Lias has been treated the way he’s been this season. No one can say with a straight face that he’s been given the same chance as the other young players on the team. There could of course be a reason for all this, that we know nothing about. But I don’t think it’s fair to put the blame on Lias and his camp, when nothing is known about why he left.

 

[Lion Hound]

I don’t believe this to be a result of poor advising. His father is scout for LA Kings, he surely knows what could be the result of Lias’ actions. I believe the reason he acted as he did is because he found the situation with Quinn/Rangers unsustainable and that there was no way he could stay here any longer, no matter the consequences. It’s no secret that Quinn hasn’t been a fan of Lias, and imo there is no rational explanation to why Lias has been treated the way he’s been this season. No one can say with a straight face that he’s been given the same chance as the other young players on the team. There could of course be a reason for all this, that we know nothing about. But I don’t think it’s fair to put the blame on Lias and his camp, when nothing is known about why he left.

Cant agree with that at all.

He had his chances, and would have certainly had more chances in the near future if he kept his mouth shut. The kid is 21 years old. He is a top 10 prospect for the NY Rangers. Things could be much worse. This isn't Quinn's fault. This is 100% on the player.

Character...Remember. That's why the Rangers went and drafted him him nowhere near where he should have went. Charatcer! LOL!!!

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Cant agree with that at all.

He had his chances, and would have certainly had more chances in the near future if he kept his mouth shut. The kid is 21 years old. He is a top 10 prospect for the NY Rangers. Things could be much worse. This isn't Quinn's fault. This is 100% on the player.

Character...Remember. That's why the Rangers went and drafted him him nowhere near where he should have went. Charatcer! LOL!!!

I mean... even if there is something to what @Kallio and @BBKers say about possible behind the scenes stuff, there's still the timing of the whole thing. That's what I can't get over. You're still only 21. Stick it out until April, and then in the offseason, make your move (including going public if need be). Doing it the way, and when, he did benefits no one – including himself.

 

[SA16]

I don’t believe this to be a result of poor advising. His father is scout for LA Kings, he surely knows what could be the result of Lias’ actions. I believe the reason he acted as he did is because he found the situation with Quinn/Rangers unsustainable and that there was no way he could stay here any longer, no matter the consequences. It’s no secret that Quinn hasn’t been a fan of Lias, and imo there is no rational explanation to why Lias has been treated the way he’s been this season. No one can say with a straight face that he’s been given the same chance as the other young players on the team. There could of course be a reason for all this, that we know nothing about. But I don’t think it’s fair to put the blame on Lias and his camp, when nothing is known about why he left.

And now you have a 21 year old playing 0 minutes/game instead of 8 minutes/game in the NHL or 17+ in the AHL so I'm not sure how not playing at all is good for his development especially consider this can go on almost indefinitely.

The is a pretty obvious explanation why Lias has been treated this way. Quinn doesn't think he's good and thinks other players are better. Not saying I agree with it but that's obviously the reason. He's not just playing him limited minutes arbitrarily.

 

[badi]

Quinn did not give him a fair chance that s on the coach .
Quitting in the AHL is bad on Lias , he should have played hard and ask to be traded behind the scene ,,,,

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Quinn did not give him a fair chance that s on the coach .
Quitting in the AHL is bad on Lias , he should have played hard and ask to be traded behind the scene ,,,,

How did Quinn not give him a fair chance? I will agree that I don't understand Quinn's decision to not try him with better line mates, but Lias really didn't do much to get noticed or deserve more ice time. Too many times he was unnoticeable. And not just on the score sheet. That's on the player, not the coach or his line mates.

 

[Star Ocean]

Is there any news or just 19 pages of bickering?

 

[Irishguy42]

Is there any news or just 19 pages of bickering?

This is HF.

Take a guess.

 

[True Blue]

How did Quinn not give him a fair chance? I will agree that I don't understand Quinn's decision to not try him with better line mates, but Lias really didn't do much to get noticed or deserve more ice time. Too many times he was unnoticeable. And not just on the score sheet. That's on the player, not the coach or his line mates.

Now if Trotz was the coach, Andersson would have been a 2nd line center by now.

 

[True Blue]

I don’t believe this to be a result of poor advising. His father is scout for LA Kings, he surely knows what could be the result of Lias’ actions. I believe the reason he acted as he did is because he found the situation with Quinn/Rangers unsustainable and that there was no way he could stay here any longer, no matter the consequences.

All he had to do was go to Hartford and play at a level that forces the Rangers to recall him and play him as a top-9 forward. He did not. In fact, his play was not noticeable at all.

And not playing any hockey is not a way that you would think that another NHL team is going to play him as a top-9 forward right now. Which is what he believes he is.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Quinn did not give him a fair chance that s on the coach .
Quitting in the AHL is bad on Lias , he should have played hard and ask to be traded behind the scene ,,,,

Quinn has shown to be a pretty straight forward guy, work hard in game and at practice, play the right way and you get minutes. Every player we have had has gotten elevated due to their work ethic, Lindgren, Hajek, Kakko, Lemieux etc, have all gotten chances in prime roster spots because of how they played. Lias is the only one who hasnt gotten elevated, what does that tell you? It tells me he wasn't doing what the coach was asking of him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Quinn has shown to be a pretty straight forward guy, work hard in game and at practice, play the right way and you get minutes. Every player we have had has gotten elevated due to their work ethic, Lindgren, Hajek, Kakko, Lemieux etc, have all gotten chances in prime roster spots because of how they played. Lias is the only one who hasnt gotten elevated, what does that tell you? It tells me he wasn't doing what the coach was asking of him.

Good post. And I think Quinn's bar is hardly high.

Andersson's recent actions showed it might have been too high for him