Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How did Quinn not give him a fair chance? I will agree that I don't understand Quinn's decision to not try him with better line mates, but Lias really didn't do much to get noticed or deserve more ice time. Too many times he was unnoticeable. And not just on the score sheet. That's on the player, not the coach or his line mates.

This will always be the knee-jerk response when folks fall in love with a young player who falters. It is particularly ridiculous in the case of Andersson since he was given some pretty good assignments and did zilch with them.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Quinn has shown to be a pretty straight forward guy, work hard in game and at practice, play the right way and you get minutes. Every player we have had has gotten elevated due to their work ethic, Lindgren, Hajek, Kakko, Lemieux etc, have all gotten chances in prime roster spots because of how they played. Lias is the only one who hasnt gotten elevated, what does that tell you? It tells me he wasn't doing what the coach was asking of him.

Agreed. Also, look at a guy like Howden. He hasn't been great by any means, but it's easy to surmise that (unlike Andersson) he has been coachable and trying to employ the lessons the staff is preaching. The time where that will be unacceptable and results will matter more is coming, but it's not here yet.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

This will always be the knee-jerk response when folks fall in love with a young player who falters. It is particularly ridiculous in the case of Andersson since he was given some pretty good assignments and did zilch with them.

Again, I can't say I understand why Quinn wouldn't try him with better players on some point (if for no other reason as an effort to get him jump started and maybe seeing what it takes) but it always fall on the player to force the issue.

 

[True Blue]

Good post. And I think Quinn's bar is hardly high.

And, like with DeAngelo, I am sure that it was communicated pretty crystal clear to Andersson what he needed to do.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

If they are dealing Georgiev I wonder if they are throwing in Lias to help lift the value a little. My guess is Arizona

Arizona has 2 starting goalies. Why would they trade for a 3rd who can't clear waivers? Yes they have injury issues but they should be fine before the post season. Why spend needed assets to bring in a back up to the back up that also takes a roster spot?

 

[JimmyG89]

HV71 om Lias Andersson: ”Klart vi skulle vara intresserade”

Article speculating on Andersson, but the big quote is that HV71's GM mentions they would be interested if he was able to be loaned out.

You have to wonder that this cannot go on much longer without him playing. They're going to want to get him out there, because if there is not the kind of interest in a trade that they actually want, it's best that he is actually playing.

 

[Inferno]

HV71 om Lias Andersson: ”Klart vi skulle vara intresserade”

Article speculating on Andersson, but the big quote is that HV71's GM mentions they would be interested if he was able to be loaned out.

You have to wonder that this cannot go on much longer without him playing. They're going to want to get him out there, because if there is not the kind of interest in a trade that they actually want, it's best that he is actually playing.

Why. Why do they want him out there. How does it serve their interests to let a guy walk out on their team in the middle of the night to go play for his hometown team

If I'm the rangers he comes back to Hartford or he can rot till we find someone who will swap my bust for yours.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I know everyone likes to use tough love and stick with the #EARNIT mantra but Lias was getting like 5 mins of 5v5 a game with some AHL -tier scrubs, and then another 5 or so on the PK. That is the opposite of putting a young player in a position to succeed. Once Lias was sent down and Howden was given his 4th line spot, he was nowhere to be seen. I forgot Howden was even on the team until he got bumped back up to 3rd line wing. I bet if Lias does get traded to another team he does better.

 

[True Blue]

You have to wonder that this cannot go on much longer without him playing. They're going to want to get him out there, because if there is not the kind of interest in a trade that they actually want, it's best that he is actually playing.

Even if he was playing, what do you think his trade value is? That he huffed and puffed and simply left the team probably put management in no mood to help him

 

[Rempe73]

Now if Trotz was the coach, Andersson would have been a 2nd line center by now.

He would also grow 5 inches taller, skate like the wind, and have the best shot in the league if we had Trotz

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

HV71 om Lias Andersson: ”Klart vi skulle vara intresserade”

Article speculating on Andersson, but the big quote is that HV71's GM mentions they would be interested if he was able to be loaned out.

You have to wonder that this cannot go on much longer without him playing. They're going to want to get him out there, because if there is not the kind of interest in a trade that they actually want, it's best that he is actually playing.

It really comes down to if the Rangers think that a future with this organization can be salvaged. If not - he can sit on his ass for the foreseeable future - and he should with what he pulled.

 

[Rempe73]

I know everyone likes to use tough love and stick with the #EARNIT mantra but Lias was getting like 5 mins of 5v5 a game with some AHL -tier scrubs, and then another 5 or so on the PK. That is the opposite of putting a young player in a position to succeed. Once Lias was sent down and Howden was given his 4th line spot, he was nowhere to be seen. I forgot Howden was even on the team until he got bumped back up to 3rd line wing. I bet if Lias does get traded to another team he does better.

I disagree. Howden has played far better since Lias got sent down. He’s not always noticeable, but when he is, it’s for making a good play. I still think that LA should have been given more of a chance like Howden, but looking at Howden’s play recently, maybe there’s a reason why that didn’t happen.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Why. Why do they want him out there. How does it serve their interests to let a guy walk out on their team in the middle of the night to go play for his hometown team

If I'm the rangers he comes back to Hartford or he can rot till we find someone who will swap my bust for yours.

So, if he doesn't come back to Hartford, he doesn't get to play anywhere.....please explain how that expedites his trade request? He has little to no trade value now...not playing on makes it worse.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How did Quinn not give him a fair chance? I will agree that I don't understand Quinn's decision to not try him with better line mates, but... .

You're answering your own question here. He deserved more based on the good pre season he had.

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t see why the Rangers should do him any favors considering what he’s done.

If they loan him out do they still have to pay him?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

You're answering your own question here. He deserved more based on the good pre season he had.

He didn't deserve it. He certainly didn't earn it.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Again, I can't say I understand why Quinn wouldn't try him with better players on some point (if for no other reason as an effort to get him jump started and maybe seeing what it takes) but it always fall on the player to force the issue.

True, but the top 6 is pretty much spoken for and is one of the bright spots of the team (it's almost solely because of Zibanejad, Panarin, and the emergence of Strome, but I disgress).

Andersson averaged just under 10 minutes a game in the 17 games this season where he did squat. I'm not sure why so many people need to re-invent history and say he got 5 mins or less and was never given a chance. He just never seemed comfortable with the NHL's pace of play.

 

[nyr2k2]

He didn't deserve it. He certainly didn't earn it.

I think coming out of camp, if you made assignments based on play, Andersson should have been a spot above Howden. I also thought Andersson looked pretty strong his first four or five games; outside of the goal in his first or second game, I thought Howden generally looked like shit.

It still blows by mind that they didn't try Andersson in a better spot for at least a few games. I mean look, I'm always one to root for the effort guys, the guys who play the right way, all that. Earn your spot through playing hard. But with your seventh pick, at some point I feel like you need to just give it a go, if for no reason other than to hope you spark something. I mean Brett Howden was garbage last season, and he's somehow on pace to be even less productive this year. I don't know if we're setting any process back just flipping their TOI for a few games to see what happens. However, it's always possible there's some behind the scenes stuff that we don't know about that would make me change my mind. But if it's because we didn't think he was skating hard enough or whatever? Come on. You gotta give it a try when you've used that draft capital on a guy.

Anyway, I'm done with Lias. Hopefully they can figure something out, get him back in Hartford or the SHL, and then move on from him. I'm tired of all this. I see blame on both sides (more on Lias), but I feel like this has become a political discussion where everyone has dug in on one side or another and there's no middle ground.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I think coming out of camp, if you made assignments based on play, Andersson should have been a spot above Howden. I also thought Andersson looked pretty strong his first four or five games; outside of the goal in his first or second game, I thought Howden generally looked like ****.

It still blows by mind that they didn't try Andersson in a better spot for at least a few games. I mean look, I'm always one to root for the effort guys, the guys who play the right way, all that. Earn your spot through playing hard. But with your seventh pick, at some point I feel like you need to just give it a go, if for no reason other than to hope you spark something. I mean Brett Howden was garbage last season, and he's somehow on pace to be even less productive this year. I don't know if we're setting any process back just flipping their TOI for a few games to see what happens. However, it's always possible there's some behind the scenes stuff that we don't know about that would make me change my mind. But if it's because we didn't think he was skating hard enough or whatever? Come on. You gotta give it a try when you've used that draft capital on a guy.

Anyway, I'm done with Lias. Hopefully they can figure something out, get him back in Hartford or the SHL, and then move on from him. I'm tired of all this. I see blame on both sides (more on Lias), but I feel like this has become a political discussion where everyone has dug in on one side or another and there's no middle ground.

He earned a spot on the team. He didn't earn more than that. Lots of guys have earned a spot on the team. A lot of have also done nothing with that chance.

 

[nyr2k2]

He earned a spot on the team. He didn't earn more than that.

Okay but I mean again, Howden's play last year--for me--doesn't guarantee him anything. Did he earn a spot in camp? Maybe? Apparently? But he gets the better assignment. I don't think he earned that. His play this year, IMO he has earned a spot in Hartford. Again, seventh pick...you gotta do what you can to make that work. Even if it's not necessarily "earned". It's too valuable of a thing to not do everything in your power to make work.

 

[chosen]

I know everyone likes to use tough love and stick with the #EARNIT mantra but Lias was getting like 5 mins of 5v5 a game with some AHL -tier scrubs, and then another 5 or so on the PK. That is the opposite of putting a young player in a position to succeed. Once Lias was sent down and Howden was given his 4th line spot, he was nowhere to be seen. I forgot Howden was even on the team until he got bumped back up to 3rd line wing. I bet if Lias does get traded to another team he does better.

Big deal. Playing better would be making one helpful play in a game.

 

[effen]

I'd loan him out wherever he wants. Whatever, stuff doesn't work out sometimes. There's no reason to be spiteful.

 

[JC704]

IMHO If Howden was a better option than Lias, he wouldn't be playing wing, he'd stick at center. The fact that third line is always being juggled and can't find consistency this season shows Quinn has played favorites with him and will stick with him until the bitter end. Kakko and Chytil have not benefited from Howden in any way.

The Smith and Haley experiments should be terminated permanently. Don't go back to them. Don't fiddle with Fogarty, Gettinger, etc. Anymore. Get Lias back up. Get Lemieux back in. Make the trades you need to at the deadline, and then roll a lineup with the kids for the final few weeks. Simple. That is the only way we're going to know.

 

[McRanger]

Okay but I mean again, Howden's play last year--for me--doesn't guarantee him anything. Did he earn a spot in camp? Maybe? Apparently? But he gets the better assignment. I don't think he earned that. His play this year, IMO he has earned a spot in Hartford. Again, seventh pick...you gotta do what you can to make that work. Even if it's not necessarily "earned". It's too valuable of a thing to not do everything in your power to make work.

You're an extremely patient individual. If you are expecting a coherent answer as to how playing Howden over Andersson after preseason (or at basically any time after that through Howden's shitshow of a season) fits with our "accountability" theme, I regret to inform you that you will probably need more patience than any one man possesses.

 

[Rangers ftw]

I mean... even if there is something to what @Kallio and @BBKers say about possible behind the scenes stuff, there's still the timing of the whole thing. That's what I can't get over. You're still only 21. Stick it out until April, and then in the offseason, make your move (including going public if need be). Doing it the way, and when, he did benefits no one – including himself.

That’s my whole point. It doesn’t make sense. He’s from a hockey family, he knows the drill and what is expected from him. He knows the consequences from his actions. Still he does it. That’s why I believe that it has to be something more to it. If not all the blame is on Lias.