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Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

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Personally, I think what is happening with Lias is about culture building for a young team. If Quinn, the GM, and the VP are all shooting for a particular merit based culture that includes what you are doing in practices and other off-ice preparations, then Lias may have shot himself in the foot with some things we are not aware of. I highly doubt Quinn makes these decisions in a vacuum. Lias may feel that way, though. Did Lias play better in the preseason? Sure. Just throwing this out there, maybe they planned on more 5v5 time along with PK time, but his 5v5 play wasn't cutting it once the season started. Who knows. I just don't look at this like I can see the entire picture. I am sure there is more gray area than what I am seeing, but I don't even remotely think this is a Quinn vs. Lias thing. Quinn wasn't the one that sent him to Hartford. I am suspecting there is a unified opinion in management that isn't favorable to Lias, and it is probably based on things we are not privy to.
 
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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Yeah, there probably is. It's just interesting how the issue is almost always with the coach around here. Isn't it a little strange every other player on the roster was getting these opportunities?

It's also interesting how people want to blast the concept of a meritocracy, but then lean on Andersson being a #7 pick as a reason to give him more of a chance.
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I think it's probably more of an organizational issue than coaching but you can come to your opinions on what I said

And I'd use the term meritocracy lightly for what is going on

Plus if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, I'll call Lias the organizations best center prospect, not the 7th overall pick. The larger point being the team had a reason to see him succeed, and they are partially to blame for this situation
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
I think it's probably more of an organizational issue than coaching but you can come to your opinions on what I said

And I'd use the term meritocracy lightly for what is going on

Plus if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, I'll call Lias the organizations best center prospect, not the 7th overall pick. The larger point being the team had a reason to see him succeed, and they are partially to blame for this situation
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It is an organizational problem. There's blame to go around everywhere, particularly with the player since he straight up quit.
 
I've been banging on the table for a year or so now that Lias is going to be a winger to succeed in the NHL. He's played well on the wing in other settings like international tournaments and such. The team has not once tried him on the wing when he wasn't succeeding at center.

Aren't these guys paid to figure this out?

Put your players in the best position to succeed. Development isn't a linear path but I don't know how anyone can sit there with a straight face and say what happened with Lias was good development

True Blue said:
The amount of time tat McKegg and Smith spent out side the 4th line is paltry. So not sure it is a good comparison here.

His play did not indicate that he should. Did I think that it should have been tried? I actually do, but is is not like Andersson's play demanded that .

Seems to me that when you want to try to make an NHL team, quitting on them is not the way to go.

Different strokes for different folks.
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It doesn't matter how much time those players spent in the top 9, they were afforded the chance to play there when they really didn't do much to earn it.

And yeah I think he’s a f***ing idiot for taking his ball and going home.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
I've been banging on the table for a year or so now that Lias is going to be a winger to succeed in the NHL. He's played well on the wing in other settings like international tournaments and such. The team has not once tried him on the wing when he wasn't succeeding at center.

Aren't these guys paid to figure this out?

Put your players in the best position to succeed. Development isn't a linear path but I don't know how anyone can sit there with a straight face and say what happened with Lias was good development


It doesn't matter how much time those players spent in the top 9, they were afforded the chance to play there when they really didn't do much to earn it.

And yeah I think he’s a ****ing idiot for taking his ball and going home.
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I think the point others are (rightfully) trying to make is that nobody outside of the organizations knows if the bolded is true or not. It doesn't take a large leap of faith to surmise that Andersson has a real attitude problem at this point. Yes, the organization had a lot invested in him as a #7 pick. No, they shouldn't be coddling a problem child just because of where he was drafted.
 
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If David Quinn can't in any way be held to account for this botched situation because "we as fans do not have access to what happens behind the scenes," then the same logic has to hold true in the opposite direction and Lias Andersson cannot be held accountable for leaving the team the way he did since "we as fans do not have access to what happens behind the scenes."

With everything that's come out in the last few months about NHL coaches, their treatment of players, and their general anti-professionalism (Babcock, Peters, Crawford, Montgomery, etc...) why are we so comfortable assuming that Lias wasn't grossly mistreated.

I make no accusations. The point is many of you are moving the goalposts on your criticisms based on unverifiable speculation. It's ridiculous to have any conversation somehow thrown out the window because of 'what we might not be privy to,' and it's especially silly not to apply that logic to everything if you want to apply it to some things. Dark Matter is a made up thing that accounts for 85% of the mass in the universe. We're working with conjecture much of the time. So, based on what we can possibly know and bear witness to Lias busted and threw away his chance at a career with the Rangers and David Quinn has a black mark on his player development record.
 
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Athor said:


Who thinks the injury is real?
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seems like a spoiled brat. why leave a 1st place team, he is making it about him more than the team, yea he has character issues. that is what they left out of the draft when NYR wasted another pick on Andersson.
 
TheDirtyH said:
If David Quinn can't in any way be held to account for this botched situation because "we as fans do not have access to what happens behind the scenes," then the same logic has to hold true in the opposite direction and Lias Andersson cannot be held accountable for leaving the team the way he did since "we as fans do not have access to what happens behind the scenes."

With everything that's come out in the last few months about NHL coaches, their treatment of players, and their general anti-professionalism (Babcock, Peters, Crawford, Montgomery, etc...) why are we so comfortable assuming that Lias wasn't grossly mistreated.

I make no accusations. The point is many of you are moving the goalposts on your criticisms based on unverifiable speculation. It's ridiculous to have any conversation somehow thrown out the window because of 'what we might not be privy to,' and it's especially silly not to apply that logic to everything if you want to apply it to some things. Dark Matter is a made up thing that accounts for 85% of the mass in the universe. We're working with conjecture much of the time. So, based on what we can possibly know and bear witness to Lias busted and threw away his chance at a career with the Rangers and David Quinn has a black mark on his player development record.
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This attempt at logic would make sense if an NHL coach and young player were on equal footing. They are not. Whether you like Quinn or not, he is in charge of his players. Andersson has to listen to him, not the other way around. And that makes this take disposable garbage.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
This attempt at logic would make sense if an NHL coach and young player were on equal footing. They are not. Whether you like Quinn or not, he is in charge of his players. Andersson has to listen to him, not the other way around. And that makes this take disposable garbage.
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That's funny, did you just quote Brad Treliving?
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Maybe Quinn kicked him leading to this phantom lower body injury. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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LOL yeah, maybe.

TheDirtyH said:
I make no accusations... based on what we can possibly know and bear witness to Lias busted and threw away his chance at a career with the Rangers and David Quinn has a black mark on his player development record.
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Seems like you agree with my "attempt at logic" after all. Happy to help.
 
TheDirtyH said:
LOL yeah, maybe.



Seems like you agree with my "attempt at logic" after all. Happy to help.
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I'd love to hear a single plausible explanation that would justify Andersson packing his bags and leaving the organization. Unless this is a huge conspiracy involving criminal conduct by Quinn, I can't think of a single one.
 
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