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Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II
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I am not EDGE, but
i do see possible reconciliation between Lias & NYR,
he's a frustrated 20 year old who got bad advice
Great fodder for internet drama queens, grandiose statements and righteous condemnation,
but this here cyberspace ain't the real world,
and cooler heads, on both sides, with genuine outcomes at stake,
may just prevail ...
Harbour Dog
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We keep bringing up the "advice" that Andersson got to do what he done, but the reality is that we are just assuming he is doing this under advisement.
He had no advice to throw his medal into the stands, or to not put in a complete effort in the AHL. It is more likely to me that he's an emotional kid who overreacted and either has a bunch of yes men in his life who don't offer strong opinions, or he is just terrible at taking advice.
What agent or parent that knows the business and is in their right mind would tell him to leave his team and publicly demand a trade?
He had no advice to throw his medal into the stands, or to not put in a complete effort in the AHL. It is more likely to me that he's an emotional kid who overreacted and either has a bunch of yes men in his life who don't offer strong opinions, or he is just terrible at taking advice.
What agent or parent that knows the business and is in their right mind would tell him to leave his team and publicly demand a trade?
Edge
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I think it’s probably best for all parties to move along.
In that same vein, it’s also best for both parties to raise his value first. And that’s where Andersson’s approach is not prudent.
At the same time, there are certainly examples of kids that either have not forced their way out but obviously should have or have done it with a lot of success.
Chicago drafted Kevin Hayes to be a Bickell type of player. Or Buff, remember Buff was a forward for Chicago. Meanwhile Hayes wanted to be a center. Chicago didn’t think he had the wheels for it, just look at the number of 6’6 centers in this league. Not many can keep up with the pace.
Kevin Hayes had a lot of support and told Chicago to stuff it, despite Chicago being none of the top organizations in the league.
What is odd with the Lias situation is that anyone ‘sane’ should realize that there is a very significant risk that nothing will happen. And THAT should be obvious to everyone.
My experience is that you shouldn’t “underrate” people. It’s easy to assume that X or Y is insanely dumb or whatever, but reality is often more complex. I don’t think we got the full picture on this one.
It’s also relevant to note that Lias is super close to Ziba and Hank. Hank played with Lias dad that was Hanks mentor when Hank broke into Frolunda. Hank remember when Lias was young and followed his dad to practice with Frolunda.
Lias lived with Ziba in NY. Just check their social media, it’s full of stuff like ‘I got your back little bro’ and stuff like that.
Look, many will feel that I am just biased as a Swede and that Lias is a super cancer that is dumb in the head. And like, sure, it’s a possibility. But these things tend to be complex, you wonder what is going on behind the scenes.
Lias lived with Ziba in NY. Just check their social media, it’s full of stuff like ‘I got your back little bro’ and stuff like that.
Look, many will feel that I am just biased as a Swede and that Lias is a super cancer that is dumb in the head. And like, sure, it’s a possibility. But these things tend to be complex, you wonder what is going on behind the scenes.
Harbour Dog
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Hayes was just another college guy who had the leverage to force a move. He never signed an ELC with Chicago, and the situation is only comparable to Lias' as a reach to try to prove a point.
By "nothing", you mean that Lias will improve his play but not get rewarded with a bigger role for it? Because the only precedent for that to this point, is that he looked very good in pre-season but wasn't given the opportunity he should of been to start the year.
Howden isn't very good at centre, and Lias should of had an opportunity to prove what he could do with that usage. But he never not that chance, nor did he prove he deserved it. Perhaps if he had stuck around and played better in the AHL, he would be up instead of Fogarty and would be playing centre now that Howden has been moved to wing. But he never stuck around; he publicly demanded a trade and left the team without permission.
I'm also going to cut you off now and say that I never called Lias "insanely dumb" and I am not underrating his potential to be a contributing 3C on a winning team. That's just a future strawman that will throw the topic way off. He made a bad decision based on emotionality.
I also am going to give you last word. Go ahead.
Yes, Lias is acting like a POS, but I suspect he is not nearly as much of a POS as this situation has made many believe. Doesn't change anything in the here and now, but I don't believe he's a terrible person or anything. I think he found himself in an unhappy, frustrating situation and made some horrible choices, whether with someone advising him or on his own. Not something he couldn't recover from, though, if he actually wanted to.
Chaels Arms
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The problem is that if his goal is to go to a different organization this is not the way to do it. His actions are hindering the chances of him getting what he wants.
I think the interesting question is how exactly did we (the public) find out about the trade request? Him or his agent didn't publicized it, to my knowledge. The team wouldn't want that info out in the public either. Seems like a lot of us are assuming Andersson or his camp put this out to the media. Aside from that being an incredibly stupid thing to do from a purely self-interested standpoint I haven't seen anything to suggest that (although I could be wrong).
With ‘nothing’ I just meant that Gorton wouldn’t find a trade partner in near time. Meaning that he would have to come crawling back or return to Sweden or whatever.
Like the only point from my POV with requesting a trade and leave the team is to force something immediately, as opposed to in half a year or a year or whatever. I was just thinking, if you keep play after requesting a trade the team might want to give it time to have a player improve his value, but if you sit out that won’t happen and the team wont gain from keeping the kid. But how likely is it that Gorton despite this will get something done over night?
Lastly, I wasn’t at all responding to anything you wrote.
Just kind of picked up where you left, on the same topic so to speak.
offdacrossbar
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ive said all along, these young kids who get drafted by the rangers in the 1st round dont want any part of hartford ct. none.
being sent down or not making the roster out of camp is mind numbing to them.
some handle it better than others.
being sent down or not making the roster out of camp is mind numbing to them.
some handle it better than others.
JCProdigy
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I generally agree with your point but being overally passionate, cocky and narcissistic can sometimes be traits of effective leaders and the very traits that work so well when things are going great are the same that can cause a downfall in tough times.
I mean the greatest leader in team history essentially left the org in part because he was offended that Checketts prioritized resigning Patrick Ewing before him. Did the same thing as an exec. Also had his issues in Vancouver.
I just mean it may be hard to fault the Rangers for not seeing this situation playing out like it has when drafting him.
JCProdigy
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Evidently some absolutely handle it better than others. Kreider, Mcdonagh, Skjei, and ADA, all 1st rounders that spent time down in HFD and didn't take their ball (puck) and go home. Something tells me if Howden was sent down this year, he wouldn't either.
SA16
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Chaels Arms
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True but wasn't the trade request publicized first? It's entirely possible my timeline is all screwed up though.
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JimmyG89
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Elliot Friedman did write he is in Sweden now. Speculation that they might loan him to a SHL team for the rest of the season.
That's probably the right thing to do. At least he's playing and could actually show something. Realistically he should have just stayed there in his D+1 and maybe even his D+2 season, but the "nhl readiness" got to him and the team.
Hopefully it's a good reset and maybe they can work it out.
That's probably the right thing to do. At least he's playing and could actually show something. Realistically he should have just stayed there in his D+1 and maybe even his D+2 season, but the "nhl readiness" got to him and the team.
Hopefully it's a good reset and maybe they can work it out.
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JimmyG89
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Don't think that really matters. He's not lined up for a raise of any kind. Him being an RFA instead of having a year on his ELC left is meaningless. Whatever team he is on will be giving him a qualifying offer and he likely takes it, maybe 900k with a higher AHL salary.
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ohbaby
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I don't think so. He signed for 3 years. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not sure how it works.
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Indeed he did, but because he only played 7 NHL games in season 1 instead of the 10 required to 'recognise' a season, the contract slid and so he's only in year 2 now
EDIT - for more info, check out Capfriendly.com
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