Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II
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IDK. I don't think he NEEDS to prove anything. Of course going out and playing great in the AHL or SHL would make this much easier, but all it takes is one GM to think Andersson still has the potential to be an NHL player and then you have a deal. Guys that have done way worse things (that actually hurt people) have been traded for or signed literally countless times in the League's history. If a team thinks you can help them, they'll give you a look.
As has been discussed previously, I'm not even sure what returning to the AHL and playing well would do for him, since everyone knows he can do it. Or the SHL, for that matter. I don't know how much he can rebuild his value.
Of course he needs to prove something....he needs to prove he's got his head on straight for starters.
ohbaby
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We'll see. NHL GMs tend to think they're smarter than other NHL GMs. If there are GMs that think the Rangers f***ed this up, they may not take as harsh a view of Andersson as we assume they would (and we've heard that some GMs may be thinking we handled him/the situation poorly).
If you offer the player who was the tenth pick in the last draft to a GM for the tenth pick in this draft, all things being equal, I bet you it's declined 9/10 times. Everyone things they're smarter, they can fix guys, their team can do it better.
Possibly. Time will tell.
Plus we also se have Brendan Lemieux on the team and he surely doesn't behave as a spoiled silver spooner at all.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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I think Lias is now a "throw in" type in a large deal, where the Rangers will take back a "throw in" from the other team.
I'm pretty opened minded and patient when it comes to prospects, I view them generally as kids who should likely be playing the D+1 season either where they were drafted out of or in the AHL. Most I believe should play their D+2 season in the AHL too, maybe not even get a call up cup of coffee until they have more than shown to be NHL ready.
With Lias I'm not so sure I ever saw a NHL ready player, nor have I really seen many glimpses that he had anything dynamic to add to a NHL team.
I do not absolve the Rangers in the situation, they probably rushed him a bit, yet I'm pretty sure that is the route he also wanted. Once the rushing stopped it kind of left him in no mans land.
Prospects do see how their peers are being treated. I think the Rangers in general probably should have been more patient with not just Lias, but also with Chytil, Howden, maybe Kakko too. I think they believed Quinn was going to act more like a developmental coach than a "I want to win, NHL coach"
All the same, even if the AHL is not alluring to them, one thing that could change that a little, if the AHL was a winning team where they at least had the common goal of trying to win a AHL championship.
I'm pretty opened minded and patient when it comes to prospects, I view them generally as kids who should likely be playing the D+1 season either where they were drafted out of or in the AHL. Most I believe should play their D+2 season in the AHL too, maybe not even get a call up cup of coffee until they have more than shown to be NHL ready.
With Lias I'm not so sure I ever saw a NHL ready player, nor have I really seen many glimpses that he had anything dynamic to add to a NHL team.
I do not absolve the Rangers in the situation, they probably rushed him a bit, yet I'm pretty sure that is the route he also wanted. Once the rushing stopped it kind of left him in no mans land.
Prospects do see how their peers are being treated. I think the Rangers in general probably should have been more patient with not just Lias, but also with Chytil, Howden, maybe Kakko too. I think they believed Quinn was going to act more like a developmental coach than a "I want to win, NHL coach"
All the same, even if the AHL is not alluring to them, one thing that could change that a little, if the AHL was a winning team where they at least had the common goal of trying to win a AHL championship.
Inferno
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I'd be shocked if lias doesnt come back hat in hand at some point.
Yeah professional sports is just like that. Guys grow up in families that have professional experience, they automatically get a leg up because they've been around the game at the highest levels since they were young, they have de facto family coaches that can give them instruction on what it takes, they usually have the means to afford to attend the top camps and prep schools (for US kids, mainly), etc. Even if their parents don't pull any strings, the kids have huge advantages.
Beyond that, hockey is not a cheap sport to play. The US in particular has hundreds of thousands of kids that could probably turn into really good youth players, but don't have the means or accessibility to play. I remember moving from NY to MD, and there was like two rinks within an hour and a half of where we lived, and any teams that wanted to practice basically had to do so from 5am-8am on weekdays or after 9pm or so. Hockey has blown up here and there are programs to get kids involved who otherwise wouldn't be able to, but prior to that the kids who played generally came from upper-middle/upper class backgrounds because they were the only ones whose families could make it happen. Or you were a middle class kid like me and you just had parents who would bend over backwards to make it work for you.
But anyway the point is you can't shy away from kids because they come from families with professional backgrounds or from privileged backgrounds. You're eliminating a huge amount of the talent pool if you do that. Beyond what I said about all the second/third generation kids in the WJC, I've been watching the bowl games and I've seen dozens of kids whose fathers I remember playing (or uncles, brothers, cousins, whatever). You can't get away from it.
Beyond that, hockey is not a cheap sport to play. The US in particular has hundreds of thousands of kids that could probably turn into really good youth players, but don't have the means or accessibility to play. I remember moving from NY to MD, and there was like two rinks within an hour and a half of where we lived, and any teams that wanted to practice basically had to do so from 5am-8am on weekdays or after 9pm or so. Hockey has blown up here and there are programs to get kids involved who otherwise wouldn't be able to, but prior to that the kids who played generally came from upper-middle/upper class backgrounds because they were the only ones whose families could make it happen. Or you were a middle class kid like me and you just had parents who would bend over backwards to make it work for you.
But anyway the point is you can't shy away from kids because they come from families with professional backgrounds or from privileged backgrounds. You're eliminating a huge amount of the talent pool if you do that. Beyond what I said about all the second/third generation kids in the WJC, I've been watching the bowl games and I've seen dozens of kids whose fathers I remember playing (or uncles, brothers, cousins, whatever). You can't get away from it.
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i think lias will let this process a bit more and realize that his only chance at having an nhl career is to suck it up, do his mea culpa and grow up. as said above, he will come crawling back ala kravtosv.
once that happens, and thats the easy part, the rest will be tougher. so far, he really hasnt looked like even an impact AHL talent.
kids got a lot of work to do.
once that happens, and thats the easy part, the rest will be tougher. so far, he really hasnt looked like even an impact AHL talent.
kids got a lot of work to do.
When he first came over he was what, barely 19? And he had 14 points in 25 games, which is terrific production for that age. And then the next season he starts off with 12 points in 12 games. Then when he goes back down he's disengaged and looking like shit, just like this year. He is absolutely capable of being an impact AHL player, he's just a prima donna and thinks he's too good for the AHL, and as a result, barely puts in any effort.
Walking out on the Rangers was not an isolated incident -- the kid showed he had attitude problems as far back as WJC tournament when he blatantly defied the IIHF and then took it further and threw his medal away....and I'm sure if you dig deeper, you'll probably find similar examples. Leaving the Rangers only cemented the fact that he's a hard headed, feels entitled and thinks he's better than he is.
Oscar Lindberg
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I can genuinely say I could care less about Lias throwing the medal thing. It wasn't that big of a deal
A lot of Ranger fans were praising him for wanting to win when he did it. Now that he's requested a trade, they say "look at this brat"
A lot of Ranger fans were praising him for wanting to win when he did it. Now that he's requested a trade, they say "look at this brat"
Doesn't look like the Rangers are in a rush to move this guy. In fact, having him sit on his ass and think about the stupid decision he's made for his career is probably the Rangers' best move at the moment.
I'm sure a lot of fans didn't know he and his teammates were warned not to take them off, much less throw them away.
Oscar Lindberg
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Again, I don't see it as that big of a deal. It was spun as a positive by people when it suited them, and now when it doesn't suit them it's being spun as a negative.
The thing that bothers me most about the Andersson situation is he was sold by Ranger's management as a guy who could evolve into a leadership role. It was pretty much a consensus that the talent level dropped off after pick #6 in his draft year, so I didn't expect an impact player from that perspective.
But the very thing the scouting department identified as his biggest strengths wound up being a bad miss. Leaders don't pack up their bags and go home.
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Yeaaah, I think most of those who were vocal about liking throwing the medal are likely the same folks who in the last 24 hours have been loudly praising ADA for "trolling IRL" and telling everyone else to "get over it".
Sure, those folks all agree, and post in support of each other, and this can lead to a single sentiment dominating a few pages of one thread.
Meanwhile, then like now, the rest of us are all kinda sitting back quietly and not engaging, looking at each other, going "uh..."
Edge
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I think we’re getting close to that time honored HF Boards tradition where we have a point but then can’t help ourselves and start drifting into psychologically profiling players based on the very limited window we have into their lives.
It’s almost like we’re not secure enough in the point we’re trying to make, so then we feel the need to add to it and take it up a notch.
If you didn’t like Andersson as a prospect, that’s fine. But to ignore the production at all previous stops is disingenuous.
If you have concerns about what’s going though his head at the moment, that’s very much understandable. But there have never been reports about attitude problems or him having a silver spoon in his mouth. His play prior to this season also doesn’t reflect a player who wasn’t willing to work for his ice.
People should be pissed at this situation, but I think we have to be careful to avoid assumptions that are really nothing more than blind guesses. And that’s a very easy trap to fall into.
It’s almost like we’re not secure enough in the point we’re trying to make, so then we feel the need to add to it and take it up a notch.
If you didn’t like Andersson as a prospect, that’s fine. But to ignore the production at all previous stops is disingenuous.
If you have concerns about what’s going though his head at the moment, that’s very much understandable. But there have never been reports about attitude problems or him having a silver spoon in his mouth. His play prior to this season also doesn’t reflect a player who wasn’t willing to work for his ice.
People should be pissed at this situation, but I think we have to be careful to avoid assumptions that are really nothing more than blind guesses. And that’s a very easy trap to fall into.
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I too never expected all that much, yet I figured a bottom 6 player of some sort. Even if he was a penalty killer who put up like 20 points per season that would have been something the Rangers could have used.
Maybe it was just coincidence the Kravtsov and Lias thing happened within a short time span, yet it also kind of seems like these prospects have unrealistic expectations, which is also normal for kids. Not sure how those expectation are being handled when the Rangers are offing their entry levels to them.
One thing I can’t figure out is if Camp Lias has total hubris or if he has a legit beef (his action could be dumb non the less).
He was the captain of the Swedish WJC team. I spent some time watching interviews with him. There are so many available. Some are really recent. I can say one thing, he REALLY does not strike you as the cocky/hard to handle type.
He was the captain of the Swedish WJC team. I spent some time watching interviews with him. There are so many available. Some are really recent. I can say one thing, he REALLY does not strike you as the cocky/hard to handle type.
Speedtrials
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Edge, do you think there is any chance this situation could get rectified with Lias and the Rangers?
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