Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[Synergy27]

I believe that is the case. His father is a former NHL hockey player. His mom is a TV producer.

I hate to be that guy. f*** that, no I don’t. Don’t draft silver spooners. Draft guys that have had to fight for every inch. Draft guys with something to lose.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I hate to be that guy. **** that, no I don’t. Don’t draft silver spooners. Draft guys that have had to fight for every inch. Draft guys with something to lose.

His brother is also a hockey player....makes you wonder more who the hell is advising him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Sounds like there wasnt much interest in Lias....your move kid.

 

[nyr2k2]

I hate to be that guy. **** that, no I don’t. Don’t draft silver spooners. Draft guys that have had to fight for every inch. Draft guys with something to lose.

I understand the sentiment, but there are so, so many guys in the NHL whose fathers or uncles or grandfathers or older brothers played/play the game. I mean you see it watching Team USA play today--Drury, Turcotte, Pivonka, Samuelsson. Those are all guys with NHL families. If you decide not to draft guys like that you're potentially missing out on a really significant amount of talent.

 

[Ola]

I understand the sentiment, but there are so, so many guys in the NHL whose fathers or uncles or grandfathers or older brothers played/play the game. I mean you see it watching Team USA play today--Drury, Turcotte, Pivonka, Samuelsson. Those are all guys with NHL families. If you decide not to draft guys like that you're potentially missing out on a really significant amount of talent.

If Lias had cut it on the ice we would have loved his attitude. This is so often the case when there are attitude issues.

 

[Governor]

Chances are high that he just swallows his pride and comes back.

The only thing high here are your hopes.

 

[Synergy27]

I understand the sentiment, but there are so, so many guys in the NHL whose fathers or uncles or grandfathers or older brothers played/play the game. I mean you see it watching Team USA play today--Drury, Turcotte, Pivonka, Samuelsson. Those are all guys with NHL families. If you decide not to draft guys like that you're potentially missing out on a really significant amount of talent.

Yeah, this is impossible to deny. Our own Brendan Lemieux is a counterpoint as well. Something to be said about having a true concern about failure though. Can often be the difference between making it and not when the skill differentials are so razor thin at the highest level.

 

[Edge]

At the end of the day, Andersson has made his bed and now he’s going to have to sit on it. And that might mean sitting on the sidelines for longer than he expected and finding himself equally behind the 8 ball when he is moved.

 

[JCProdigy]

Yeah, this is impossible to deny. Our own Brendan Lemieux is a counterpoint as well. Something to be said about having a true concern about failure though. Can often be the difference between making it and not when the skill differentials are so razor thin at the highest level.

It really can come down to the personality/mental fortitude of the young adult (on top of the obvious translatable skills) rather than the lineage they come from. With that, it's even hard to discern as those traits can change from 17-18 when drafted and maturing to 21-22 and beyond.

Look at the opposite side of it. Guys like Brendan Lemieux, the Tkachuk brothers, Paul Stastny, etc. have the pressure, in their own minds, of trying to live up to their highly successful fathers.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Don't think they are high at all.

And even if they were, would his team even accept him? The guy would have to issue some heartfelt apology and the distrust would still be high. Would you want to play with a guy who felt he was too good to be your teammate to the point he literally quit and left? Like, that's a complete slap in the face to every single one of his teammates.

 

[nyr2k2]

And even if they were, would his team even accept him? The guy would have to issue some heartfelt apology and the distrust would still be high. Would you want to play with a guy who felt he was too good to be your teammate to the point he literally quit and left? Like, that's a complete slap in the face to every single one of his teammates.

If it came to this, hopefully the other guys could swallow it. I've played with dicks before that walked out of practices, criticized their teammates, etc. But at the end of the day, if they can help us win I'm willing to deal with it, especially if it's a younger guy who is maybe just immature. But who knows, Andersson may be insufferable.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

If it came to this, hopefully the other guys could swallow it. I've played with dicks before that walked out of practices, criticized their teammates, etc. But at the end of the day, if they can help us win I'm willing to deal with it, especially if it's a younger guy who is maybe just immature. But who knows, Andersson may be insufferable.

I think it's much easier to deal with someone like Kravtsov. I had much less of an issue with him going home for a bit since he's truly a young kid. Andersson has been here for a few years, now, and knows many of these guys. You'd think someone who allegedly was a leader would handle themselves differently. I don't know, but I think what he did is just completely toxic.

 

[haveandare]

I think it's much easier to deal with someone like Kravtsov. I had much less of an issue with him going home for a bit since he's truly a young kid. Andersson has been here for a few years, now, and knows many of these guys. You'd think someone who allegedly was a leader would handle themselves differently. I don't know, but I think what he did is just completely toxic.

Kratsov also had an out clause in his contract for exactly this reason. Lias isn't allowed to leave and just took off anyway. Way worse.

 

[Hire Sather]

This is his problem, not ours.

He can sit and ruin his own career. We'll chill.

 

[nyr2k2]

This is his problem, not ours.

He can sit and ruin his own career. We'll chill.

Well, he's our player. Our asset. So if he's just rotting away, that's a problem for us because a guy we invested heavily in, is providing absolutely no return. Even if he's being a total shit head, I would hope we would still be somewhat proactive in trying to find a resolution.

 

[BreadKick]

When you cant get into the roster of a NHL team, you just go to AHL and work you ass out to become a real value. ALL THE NHL teams really need good players, ALL THE TIME. If you are that good but dont fit the roster, they will trade you for what they need.

Whatever the situation, the medicine is the same - hard work. All of these guys go the same path ( but Phill Kessel ??? ). But now we have LA to whom Rangers owe something - linemates, minutes, chances...

I wish he gets some good advice from people he trust, because the problem is not where he thinks it is.

 

[bobbop]

I think the Rangers would be smart to loan him to a SHL team, let him rebuild value and trade him at the draft.

 

[haohmaru]

I think the Rangers would be smart to loan him to a SHL team, let him rebuild value and trade him at the draft.

The problem with this is that it sets a really bad precedent

 

[bobbop]

The problem with this is that it sets a really bad precedent

How?

His value is very low right now. He is unlikely to be staying with the Ranger organization. If he is going to be traded, rebuilding his value won't hurt.

 

[nyr2k2]

The problem with this is that it sets a really bad precedent

I don't know. It's hard for me to see a bunch of other guys suddenly walking away and demanding to go back home. Like, does the precedent matter if no one is going to emulate the behavior? The vast majority of guys who want to go back are like Meskanen, Bereglazov, Kovacs, Stromwall, etc. Decent-to-marginal players. I would venture to say that 95%+ of guys in Andersson's situation understand they're not going to be gifted an NHL spot, and stick it out at least through their ELCs.

He's a problem, and we have to figure out the best way to resolve the problem. If he has no trade value and the only way to reestablish that trade value is to send to back to Sweden, so be it.

 

[SA16]

Are teams really stupid to think that his value increases if he goes back to Sweden and plays well? He's already played in Sweden and played well. The answer is probably yes to my question but it's entirely illogical.

 

[nyr2k2]

Are teams really stupid to think that his value increases if he goes back to Sweden and plays well? He's already played in Sweden and played well. The answer is probably yes to my question but it's entirely illogical.

Well it's tough, because not only has he played well in Sweden, he has also played well in the AHL when he was actually trying (when he first came over, and early last year). So, you'd think the only thing that would/should matter is what he does in the NHL. But him being all disgruntled, how can we just play him in the NHL, and then, on anything other than the fourth line? So, I would guess it really just comes down to the idea that his value can't get lower than him sulking in the AHL and then deciding not to play at all, so he needs to at least play somewhere.

 

[SA16]

Well it's tough, because not only has he played well in Sweden, he has also played well in the AHL when he was actually trying (when he first came over, and early last year). So, you'd think the only thing that would/should matter is what he does in the NHL. But him being all disgruntled, how can we just play him in the NHL, and then, on anything other than the fourth line? So, I would guess it really just comes down to the idea that his value can't get lower than him sulking in the AHL and then deciding not to play at all, so he needs to at least play somewhere.

Yes I do not know why seeing him play well in the SHL would entice any teams because I fully expect he would play well in the SHL. In fact I think there is far more downside to that move than upside. If he plays well he does exactly what you expect. If he plays poorly there well...now you've got a bigger problem.

 

[NYSPORTS]

he would have been recalled from Hartford.

what a mess

 

[SA16]

he would have been recalled from Hartford.

what a mess

I tend to doubt that given how he's played there and the role they were looking to fill (2:46/game for Fogarty). It's like Chytil earlier in the year. He's not the first call up due to injury. Haley isn't taking his spot. He's there because he's not ready.