Speculation: Lias Andersson asks for a trade - Part II

[egelband]

Oh he's screwed then.

Haha. But Rangers would still have his NHL rights even if the contract expired.

 

[ohbaby]

Haha. But Rangers would still have his NHL rights even if the contract expired.

But wouldn't he be in a better position to demand a trade?

 

[egelband]

But wouldn't he be in a better position to demand a trade?

Well I think this whole stunt is childish and dumb. Just playing out the season would have been better in every single way for him. This isn’t exactly a civil rights issue. It’s utter nonsense.

 

[ohbaby]

Well I think this whole stunt is childish and dumb. Just playing out the season would have been better in every single way for him. This isn’t exactly a civil rights issue. It’s utter nonsense.

It's really surprising too because he comes from a hockey family. Dad has got to be pissed.

 

[Section32]

At the same time, there are certainly examples of kids that either have not forced their way out but obviously should have or have done it with a lot of success.

Chicago drafted Kevin Hayes to be a Bickell type of player. Or Buff, remember Buff was a forward for Chicago. Meanwhile Hayes wanted to be a center. Chicago didn’t think he had the wheels for it, just look at the number of 6’6 centers in this league. Not many can keep up with the pace.

Kevin Hayes had a lot of support and told Chicago to stuff it, despite Chicago being none of the top organizations in the league.

What is odd with the Lias situation is that anyone ‘sane’ should realize that there is a very significant risk that nothing will happen. And THAT should be obvious to everyone.

My experience is that you shouldn’t “underrate” people. It’s easy to assume that X or Y is insanely dumb or whatever, but reality is often more complex. I don’t think we got the full picture on this one.

There are definitely a number of factors at play here of which we are unaware.

Now, I do blame him for just upping and heading home for Christmas, in the manner he did. But we have all seen that he is an emotional/prideful kid.

That the Coach never really gave him a shot to succeed with better players or real ice time, softens my anger/frustration. Guys like Howden were routinely given shifts that I thought Lias should have had.

He need look no further than Chytil or Shesty to see that others are/were put in difficult situations. Does anyone think Boo doesn't deserve more of a shot at 4th line center role?

With the friendships he has and fammial connections, my guess is he is flying back to Hartford in late Jan.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

True but wasn't the trade request publicized first? It's entirely possible my timeline is all screwed up though.

The first report I saw merely said he'd requested a trade and he was not with the team. A few days later, it came out that he had packed up and left and was subsequently suspended.

 

[nyr2k2]

The first report I saw merely said he'd requested a trade and he was not with the team. A few days later, it came out that he had packed up and left and was subsequently suspended.

AFAIK this was the first news about it:

The only thing subsequent to that was that a couple days later we had suspended him.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

AFAIK this was the first news about it:

The only thing subsequent to that was that a couple days later we had suspended him.

That's what I was referring to....no mention that he'd been suspended or that he'd walked out.

 

[haohmaru]

Carpster:

"3. Friedman also reported that Lias Andersson has returned home to Sweden and speculated the Rangers could loan him to a Swedish team so he continues to play, which would theoretically help his trade value. I’m hearing they aren’t very likely at all to do that, at least not in the near future. He quit and left the team and they aren’t interested in helping him at the moment."

(Edit) Good. I'm fine with this. This type of stuff simply can't be rewarded for fringe NHL players who haven't proven a thing at 20-21 years old.

 

[nyr2k2]

That's what I was referring to....no mention that he'd been suspended or that he'd walked out.

I mean Mercogliano amended his initial story a few hours later to indicate it was Andersson walking out, and Brooks tweet from the next morning confirmed he was suspended. So, you had to wait less ~20 hours to know he asked for a trade, walked out, and was suspended.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I mean Mercogliano amended his initial story a few hours later to indicate it was Andersson walking out, and Brooks tweet from the next morning confirmed he was suspended. So, you had to wait less ~20 hours to know he asked for a trade, walked out, and was suspended.

I suspect the trade request was made when he was first sent down to Hartford.

 

[n8]

can they loan him to Frolunda in the SHL?

 

[Bob Richards]

Carpster:

"3. Friedman also reported that Lias Andersson has returned home to Sweden and speculated the Rangers could loan him to a Swedish team so he continues to play, which would theoretically help his trade value. I’m hearing they aren’t very likely at all to do that, at least not in the near future. He quit and left the team and they aren’t interested in helping him at the moment."

Man this whole thing is such a shame.

I have nothing against Lias requesting a trade or being frustrated but he went about this in such a bad way lol.

 

[FoxyClean]

Would love for them to suspend him indefinitely, and once his ELC runs out, tender his qualifying offer as an RFA just to suspend him for even longer.

Maybe that's not the way RFA qualifying offers work, but it would serve him right.

 

[egelband]

Would love for them to suspend him indefinitely, and once his ELC runs out, tender his qualifying offer as an RFA just to suspend him for even longer.

Maybe that's not the way RFA qualifying offers work, but it would serve him right.

That’s vindictive and unprofessional. I’m good with the current suspension and holding him until he can raise his value somehow. But just trying to ruin the player is too much.
Accept he’s lost to the Rangers but sort out a way to maximize whatever value he has. It’s in everyone’s interest.

 

[SA16]

That’s vindictive and unprofessional. I’m good with the current suspension and holding him until he can raise his value somehow. But just trying to ruin the player is too much.
Accept he’s lost to the Rangers but sort out a way to maximize whatever value he has. It’s in everyone’s interest.

Well his trade value is likely almost nothing so their best interest is probably to keep him suspended until he admits he was wrong to leave the team and comes back and plays for the organization. Then if he does well it'll mean something. If he does well in Sweden, who cares? We already know he can play well there. You gain no information on him by seeing him go to Sweden and perform.

 

[klingsor]

That’s vindictive and unprofessional. I’m good with the current suspension and holding him until he can raise his value somehow. But just trying to ruin the player is too much.
Accept he’s lost to the Rangers but sort out a way to maximize whatever value he has. It’s in everyone’s interest.

Couldn't agree more.

It could be 100 percent Andersson's fault but that is no reason not to do what's best for the New York Rangers.

Maybe he produces in Sweden and some team trades the Rangers a 2nd or 3rd for him.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

That’s vindictive and unprofessional. I’m good with the current suspension and holding him until he can raise his value somehow. But just trying to ruin the player is too much.
Accept he’s lost to the Rangers but sort out a way to maximize whatever value he has. It’s in everyone’s interest.

You do realize, though, that the team may feel that it is in its best interests to keep him suspended, right? That could be how the team views it as well.

 

[nyr2k2]

You do realize, though, that the team may feel that it is in its best interests to keep him suspended, right? That could be how the team views it as well.

Sure but the guy he was quoting said to suspend him all year, and then qualify him just to suspend him even longer. That's clearly not in in anyone's best interest and IS vindictive. Whether suspending him for some indeterminate time now is best is one thing, but suspending him for a season and a half, just because?

 

[haveandare]

ive said all along, these young kids who get drafted by the rangers in the 1st round dont want any part of hartford ct. none.

being sent down or not making the roster out of camp is mind numbing to them.

some handle it better than others.

Lias is the only one to handle it nearly this poorly.

Kravstov exercised a contract clause to go home, and even after that he’s back now and playing well.

Otherwise, guys have earned their ice in Hartford just fine with no issues and some still are.

This is an issue with some individuals, not Hartford.

 

[JimmyG89]

I do wish they would localize the AHL team. After the Islanders are out of NVMC, I wonder if they would be interested in the AHL events. There are tons of Rangers fans that would go to the games and it would be closer to the team. I'm sure they would draw substantially more than they do in Hartford, but they wouldn't outdraw other types of events.

 

[nyr2k2]

Lias is the only one to handle it nearly this poorly.

Kravstov exercised a contract clause to go home, and even after that he’s back now and playing well.

Otherwise, guys have earned their ice in Hartford just fine with no issues and some still are.

This is an issue with some individuals, not Hartford.

Yeah. First round picks don't want to play in the AHL. They know they're good and that they could be close. They want to be in the NHL. They can taste the NHL.

We'll see how Miller and/or Lundkvist handle it. I suspect it will be fine. Chytil handled it well. Andersson wasn't even happy with his NHL usage; forget Hartford. Skjei had no problems. JT Miller, despite being a douche and being yo-yo'ed, handled it without complaint. McIlrath, to his credit, never complained. And is still fine playing in the AHL after all these years. Kreider was up and down like Miller and was completely fine. The idea that these guys couldn't stand Hartford is either a myth, or is true but not particularly significant since they all handled it like professionals until they made it and stuck in the NHL.

Again--no top pick wants to be in the AHL. It's not a problem endemic to Hartford. Everyone wants to be in the NHL.

 

[BreadKick]

decided not to.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'm not sure how I feel about them being petty in this situation. I get you don't bend to the will of this kid but the other side of the coin is if he's not playing, they're going to have a tougher time trading him.

I'd probably just allow him to play the rest of the season in the SHL and assess from there if I was making the decision

 

[Zynbanejad]

Lias is the only one to handle it nearly this poorly.

Kravstov exercised a contract clause to go home, and even after that he’s back now and playing well.

Otherwise, guys have earned their ice in Hartford just fine with no issues and some still are.

This is an issue with some individuals, not Hartford.

Kravstov is back in Hartford? Or Russia?