OT: Let's talk about movies (and TV shows)... Part IX

[ThaDevilGirl]

OITNB is now a drama? This is confusing.

 

[Bryson]

And that right there is the crux of the issue with people's thoughts on Eisenberg's Lex. It seems obvious to me that for most people, it has very little to do with Eisenberg's acting ability, but almost everything to do with their dislike for the actor.

I will admit that there were several actors I would have picked over Eisenberg before his casting, actors like Bradley Cooper, Leo Dicaprio, Joaquin Phoenix, and Matt Damon. Primarily because my favourite depictions of Luthor render a handsome or physically winsome man.

That, however, isn't at the core of the character. Simply described, Luthor is a brilliant, but, narcissistic businessman with a love for scientific research and and the social sciences. Every Lex Luthor must have those characteristics. Everything else is dependant on the plot.

As a result, even though I wasn't thrilled by Eisenberg's casting, I decided to keep an open mind since he is unquestionably a great actor, and obviously has the ability to pull of an intelligent, narcissistic, and privileged man.

Since then, everything I've been reading and now seeing about Luthor in this film has moved me from a guy with an open mind to a guy who is almost certain that Eisenberg will be a great Luthor.

The issue though, is that a lot of people don't want to accept him as Luthor because they simply dislike Eisenberg, and frankly, from what I've been reading, many people do not understand the character as well as they think they do.

It is also helpful to remember that just as Superman wasn't the established and mature Superman in Man of Steel, the same will be true for Luthor in Batman V Superman. Lex Luthor isn't evil for evil's sake, he is evil because his narcissistic nature forces him to be so as a result of Superman's existence. He truly believes that Superman's quest to help mankind actually hurts it in an evolutionary sense, and in some ways, he has a point.

Ben Affleck's casting for Batman was almost universally despised (I thought it was great casting), and as expected, that has changed dramatically after people learned and saw more of him as Batman. Well, I think people should wait before discrediting Eisenberg as Luthor. Hilariously, the harshest fans of there, comic-books fans, are a lot more accepting of Eisenberg as Lex than the general public is, just as they were when Affleck was cast as Batman. That says a lot.

Lol sorry for the essays, I am just thoroughly enjoying these discussions.

I bet it would be a lot of fun to see Lex Luthor portrayed by any of the actors you mentioned. Luthor deserves someone with a better on screen presence. Interesting that you describe LL as a handsome/winsome man. The actor I envision looking most like Lex Luthor would be Bruce Willis. He even has the whole shaved head thing going on. Eisenberg looks too much like a young scheming preppy rich boy than Superman's equal.

Also interesting that you mention Luthor as not being evil. From humanity's standpoint he can even be considered the good guy. Superman is an unstoppable alien that's lost control or had his mind taken over on several occasions. Lex is the smartest man in the world, got elected president of the USA last time I read one of the many stories around, and has done his best to keep humanity on par with the superheroes who try to do their own thing in the world. He's the only interesting character in the DC universe outside of Batman.

It seems like they are going to use BvS to expand on the DC universe so that they can get Justice League and it's sequels up on the big screen as soon as possible so that they can cash in on all that money the Avengers made at the box office.

Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about BvS at 3:33


'Batman Vs Superman' Star Henry Cavill & Armie Hammer(The Lone Ranger)

FYI Arnie Hammer was supposed to play Batman. You can visibly see how gutted he is when the interviewer brings up BvS.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/01/ben-affleck-batman-hamlet

 

[GoodKiwi]

Mr Robot is awesome. Watch it.

I just watched the four episodes that are out and while I felt like it insulted my intelligence as viewer and an IT professional at times, I thought it was rather well done overall.

Kinda reminded me of early Dexter.

 

[DAChampion]

I wish Sense8 had received a couple Emmy nominations.

 

[GoodKiwi]

I wish Sense8 had received a couple Emmy nominations.

You liked it that much, eh? I didn't think it was deserving personally.

 

[DAChampion]

"That much"????

I said I would have liked it to receive a couple Emmy nominations, that is not some grand threshold.

 

[GoodKiwi]

"That much"????

I said I would have liked it to receive a couple Emmy nominations, that is not some grand threshold.

I never said an Emmy nomination was some sort of a life achievement award. Not sure what all the question marks are about...

I simply inquired if you liked the series enough to warrant a nomination, that's all.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

'Batman Vs Superman' Star Henry Cavill & Armie Hammer(The Lone Ranger)

FYI Arnie Hammer was supposed to play Batman. You can visibly see how gutted he is when the interviewer brings up BvS.

This is what I read about him being batman:

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/why-armie-hammer-wont-play-batman-henry-cavill-1200572112/

So are you sure he was supposed to play?

It seemed like he was supposed to play a movie than never came to and wanted little to do with this one.

 

[Natey]

Ant Man was great. Loved it.

 

[BlackStar]

I bet it would be a lot of fun to see Lex Luthor portrayed by any of the actors you mentioned. Luthor deserves someone with a better on screen presence. Interesting that you describe LL as a handsome/winsome man. The actor I envision looking most like Lex Luthor would be Bruce Willis. He even has the whole shaved head thing going on. Eisenberg looks too much like a young scheming preppy rich boy than Superman's equal.

That's the point: He isn't supposed to look like Superman's equal. Superman has several other villains that look like his equals. And many of them are great villains, however, what makes Luthor special is that he doesn't look like Superman's equal, and yet he presents the greatest challenges to Superman's desire to "save the world" simply because of his genuine belief that Superman is a bad guy for the world. As a result, he resolves to use his intellect, wealth, and influence to stop Superman. Eisenberg looks like a young, scheming preppy boy because that's what Lex Luthor was at that age.

Also interesting that you mention Luthor as not being evil. From humanity's standpoint he can even be considered the good guy. Superman is an unstoppable alien that's lost control or had his mind taken over on several occasions. Lex is the smartest man in the world, got elected president of the USA last time I read one of the many stories around, and has done his best to keep humanity on par with the superheroes who try to do their own thing in the world. He's the only interesting character in the DC universe outside of Batman.

You clearly love rich, intellectual characters. But don't be ridiculous. For one, Superman, as a character makes Luthor the interesting character he is.

 

[Adriatic]

That's the point: He isn't supposed to look like Superman's equal. Superman has several other villains that look like his equals. And many of them are great villains, however, what makes Luthor special is that he doesn't look like Superman's equal, and yet he presents the greatest challenges to Superman's desire to "save the world" simply because of his genuine belief that Superman is a bad guy for the world. As a result, he resolves to use his intellect, wealth, and influence to stop Superman. Eisenberg looks like a young, scheming preppy boy because that's what Lex Luthor was at that age.

Tey are supposed to be the same age or Lex a little older. You can't have Lex looking like a teenager while Clarke is 33 years old. His character just wont be taken seriously if he doesnt look the part regardless of good of an actor you think he is. A bunch of actors would have been a better casting, very weak!

 

[Brainiac]

And another few things, regarding Batman v Superman:

-Affleck looks OK as Bruce Wayne. I think he can pull it off.
-Eisenberg as Luthor: I think he's gonna be fine. They obviously wanted a young-ish cast so they can make sequels for the next 15 years (ehhh... yay, I guess).

But the trailers, man, the trailers. Here's something I profoundly dislike about today's trailers: most of the movie is in there, basically. We know exactly what will happen. I know it creates hype, but to me, these trailers are becoming a huge turn off.

How about a trailer with an average shot length above 1 second and not giving away all the major plot elements?

 

[Bryson]

This is what I read about him being batman:

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/why-armie-hammer-wont-play-batman-henry-cavill-1200572112/

So are you sure he was supposed to play?

It seemed like he was supposed to play a movie than never came to and wanted little to do with this one.

Yes he was supposed to play Batman in a movie directed by George Miller and eventually the Justice League. You can tell he was really excited for it.



http://moviepilot.com/posts/2013/07...here-1035369?lt_source=external,manual,manual

 

[DAChampion]

I watched Apollo 13 today, been a while since a movie made me tear up at the end.

 

[President XD]

How does he come across?

Do you watch Polanski films?

Polan Who? Seriously, I know who he is, kind of... but had to google him to see what movies he's produced. You'll have to pardon my ignorance. I'm really bad at linking producers, directors and what not to movies. I'm really not very knowledgeable about producers or even many actors for that matter. Someone will tell me they loved a certain movie because of so and so and I'm like who?

So according to google, I haven't seen a Polanski movie.

However, people I dislike mark me, deeply... I don't like Dolan as a person and his movies, from the previews I have seen at least, simply don't appeal to me. I have the same kind of dislike for Karine Vanasse. I just can't stand her as an actress and while many people have praised her for her role in "Un homme mort", I just don't find her to be a good actress but I'm biased from the get go I guess so what do I know!

And to answer your question on how he comes across. He comes across as a pretentious entitled little ****, at least that's the way I portray him.

 

[hototogisu]

OITNB is now a drama? This is confusing.

The Academy changed the rules so that shows longer than 30 minutes are automatically considered dramas and must petition to be considered as comedies. Shameless, Jane the Virgin and Glee all successfully petitioned to be considered comedies. OITND petitioned and was denied.

 

[ClasslessGuy]

I watched Apollo 13 today, been a while since a movie made me tear up at the end.

Green Mile always do the job for me

 

[ClasslessGuy]

Can't wait for Southpaw, always enjoy boxing movies

 

[hototogisu]

Can't wait for Southpaw, always enjoy boxing movies

The early reviews are lukewarm but it'll probably serve its long-term purpose (winning an Oscar for Gyllenhaal).

 

[Bryson]

Green Mile always do the job for me

Armageddon

 

[SergeConstantin74]

The only thing i do not like about him is when he starts to cry when one of his films did not win a prize, as if the others directors could not make excellent movies too. But that's all.

It only happened once and he was only upset his movie wasn't NOMINATED to the Oscars.

And he was right. Mommy was one of the most acclaimed international movie last year and they didn't select it out of 9 movies.

 

[mitchmagic]

It only happened once and he was only upset his movie wasn't NOMINATED to the Oscars.

And he was right. Mommy was one of the most acclaimed international movie last year and they didn't select it out of 9 movies.

I don't think that was it... I think he was more frustrated when Laurence Anyways wasn't accepted to the Cannes film festival.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

2015 Emmy Noms

SUPPORTING ACTOR, DRAMA

Jonathan Banks, “Better Call Saulâ€
Ben Mendelsohn, “Bloodlineâ€
Jim Carter, “Downton Abbeyâ€
Peter Dinklage, “Game Of Thronesâ€
Alan *******, “The Good Wifeâ€
Michael Kelly, “House Of Cardsâ€

LOLZ

Eli Gold's actor name is too sensitive for the eyes of the HFBoards posters.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001086/

 

[SergeConstantin74]

I don't think that was it... I think he was more frustrated when Laurence Anyways wasn't accepted to the Cannes film festival.

Lawrence Anyways was presented at the Cannes film festival in the "Un certain regard" category. Suzanne Clément won a prize for her role.

He only said he would have preferred the official category but he was still happy it was chosen for that other category.

Once again, I don't think that's crying for not winning a prize...

 

[hototogisu]

I think the thing was that he was apparently upset he "only" won the Jury Prize at Cannes for Mommy (shared with Jean-Luc Godard's Goodbye to Language) instead of winning the Palme which, rightfully in my opinion, went to Winter Sleep.