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I'm not getting it...This is straight-up weird. Weird on a level of the city lighting up the CN Tower in Habs colors after the Habs handed us our worst playoffs loss in living memory.

 
Mess said:
Quality vs Quantity !!!

Question: How many new players does it take to replace Zach Hyman for his cap hit to match his offense?

Zach Hyman (@$5.5 mil AAV) ........... 10 games ... 7 goals 3 assists 10 points.

His replacements

Michael Bunting (@ $950,000) ...... 11 games 3 goals 3 assists 6 points
Ondrej Kase (@ $1,250,000) .............. 11 games 1 goal 1 assist 2 points
Nick Ritchie (@ $2,500,000) ............. 11 games 0 goals 1 assists 1 point
David Kämpf (@ $1,500,000) ........... 11 games 1 goal 0 assists 1 point

Totals ........ [@ $6.2 mil AAV] ............ 44 games 5 goals 5 assists 10 points

Answer: It takes 4 players with a little more cap hit, and 44 man games to match Hyman in an attempt to replace him.

FWIW: After 10 games Hyman would be leading the Leafs in goals and points based on his current stats.
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Play Bunting on McDavid's wing and I bet he has a couple more tap ins as well. Why are we acting like we don't know what Hyman would do on the Leafs? Your point is disingenuous BS. Hyman is what Hyman has always been around a 60 point player who is now riding shotgun with the best player we have seen in the last couple decades. If Hyman was on the Leafs he would be doing pretty much exactly what he did for the Leafs in previous years. Which by the way...we still didn't win with him.
 
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VanW27 said:
Seriously, why is the Leafs board Global Moderator one of the biggest trolls out here. I mean it’s generally polite and under handed trolling but it’s still clear trolling.
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I don't think he's trolling.
Isn't part of a Mod's job to create conversation?
 
kb said:
Mess is far more than just his online screen name......
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And we all know what the b stands for in yours.

People come here to talk sports. You come here to talk about others. What does that say about a person?

There’s an old adage about a man whose always looking left and right, and it’s not a flattering one.
 
Leaf fans: we have 4 players making 50% of the cap so we can’t afford good roster depth to support them

Also Leaf fans: we shouldn’t have let Hyman go because these depth players we used that cap space on have not played as wel
 
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BertCorbeau said:
Leaf fans: we have 4 players making 50% of the cap so we can’t afford good roster depth to support them

Also Leaf fans: we shouldn’t have let Hyman go because these depth players we used that cap space on have not played as wel
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The problem started long before Hyman.

It was Tavares that upset the internal structure. The 2C should be 7M max, not 11. The ripple effect has been predictable ever since.
 
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A monkey can play with Mcdavid and can score a point a game. Let’s move on.
 
sparxx87 said:
The problem started long before Hyman.

It was Tavares that upset the internal structure. The 2C should be 7M max, not 11. The ripple effect has been predictable ever since.
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Stupid Pittsburgh, signing Malkin for so much.

Tampa will have no success with so much tied up down the middle.

Glad Edmonton is finally playing Draisaitl on the wing, it is insane to have him as 2C since he is over 7 mil.
 
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To add, Hyman is sitting 5th in team scoring, like he would be here.

Let’s not pretend he’s something different than he is carrying a line.
 
Mess said:
Quality vs Quantity !!!

Question: How many new players does it take to replace Zach Hyman for his cap hit to match his offense?

Zach Hyman (@$5.5 mil AAV) ........... 10 games ... 7 goals 3 assists 10 points.

His replacements

Michael Bunting (@ $950,000) ...... 11 games 3 goals 3 assists 6 points
Ondrej Kase (@ $1,250,000) .............. 11 games 1 goal 1 assist 2 points
Nick Ritchie (@ $2,500,000) ............. 11 games 0 goals 1 assists 1 point
David Kämpf (@ $1,500,000) ........... 11 games 1 goal 0 assists 1 point

Totals ........ [@ $6.2 mil AAV] ............ 44 games 5 goals 5 assists 10 points

Answer: It takes 4 players with a little more cap hit, and 44 man games to match Hyman in an attempt to replace him.

FWIW: After 10 games Hyman would be leading the Leafs in goals and points based on his current stats.
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Good on Zach. From 5th wheel here to leading the charge in Edmonton.
I think in a backhanded way that's a compliment to the Leafs.
 
Mess said:
Quality vs Quantity !!!

Question: How many new players does it take to replace Zach Hyman for his cap hit to match his offense?

Zach Hyman (@$5.5 mil AAV) ........... 10 games ... 7 goals 3 assists 10 points.

His replacements

Michael Bunting (@ $950,000) ...... 11 games 3 goals 3 assists 6 points
Ondrej Kase (@ $1,250,000) .............. 11 games 1 goal 1 assist 2 points
Nick Ritchie (@ $2,500,000) ............. 11 games 0 goals 1 assists 1 point
David Kämpf (@ $1,500,000) ........... 11 games 1 goal 0 assists 1 point

Totals ........ [@ $6.2 mil AAV] ............ 44 games 5 goals 5 assists 10 points

Answer: It takes 4 players with a little more cap hit, and 44 man games to match Hyman in an attempt to replace him.

FWIW: After 10 games Hyman would be leading the Leafs in goals and points based on his current stats.
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Highest ozone starts since his rookie seasons.
Has played portions of the season with McDavid.
Shooting 2x his regular sh%.

No one argued Hyman was bad, people argued he isn't worth his cap.

You also just picked a bunch of UFA signings and said "hey look, the math is kind of close I guess, so lets compare".

Just use the UFA signing who is filling his role.

Would I rather have Bunting or Hyman? Bunting.

Also, the only actual useless player so far there is Ritchie, I'd take Kase, Kampf and Bunting over Hyman easily.

Also, go check out Edmonton's schedule, for anyone calling Toronto's soft, theirs has been probably top 5 softest.
 
notbias said:
Stupid Pittsburgh, signing Malkin for so much.

Tampa will have no success with so much tied up down the middle.

Glad Edmonton is finally playing Draisaitl on the wing, it is insane to have him as 2C since he is over 7 mil.
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Is Tavares was anywhere close to Malkin, it’s probably not a discussion. Malkin is a top 3-5 player of this generation. Tavares isn’t even on the radar.

Tampa pays their top 4 less money. A group that includes the best goalie, best d man, best winger and top 10 Selke calibre centre. The issue is balance… if you can’t see the difference in their balance vs the Leafs, I can’t help you.

Draisaitl is an exception to the rule. He’s a top 10 fed… Tavares is paid as the 4th but ranks somewhere in the 20’s or 30’s.. Value for dollars is in a different stratosphere.
 
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sparxx87 said:
Is Tavares was anywhere close to Malkin, it’s probably not a discussion. Malkin is a top 3-5 player of this generation. Tavares isn’t even on the radar.

Tampa pays their top 4 less money. A group that includes the best goalie, best d man, best winger and top 10 Selke calibre centre. The issue is balance… if you can’t see the difference in their balance vs the Leafs, I can’t help you. Value for dollars is in a different stratosphere.
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Okay, so it had nothing to do with the original argument about the cap hit being too high for a 2C.
 
notbias said:
Okay, so it had nothing to do with the original argument about the cap hit being too high for a 2C.
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It has everything to do with it. It’s about value more than the money. I threw out a number relative to the cap ceiling. You’re focused on the numbers and missing the principle.

Not sure if you’re biased or just unable to identify the nuance in this, but it’s pretty simple.
 
The Podium said:
A lot of flaws in this argument

First, we wouldnt have Hyman stapled to McDavid here, who if you havent looked has over 20 points in 10 games. Hyman likely has a pretty decent drop in offence playing here especially with our big boys struggling early.

And then Kampf for example has never been an offensive guy but is a great role player and has been playing his role at as well of a level as you could expect.

You also fail to fill the rest of the roster with league minimum players so the actual Hyman cap hit + 3 league minimum players is closer to 8 mill
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Hymen has not been stapled to mcdavid. He's played a ton of time with nuge. Basically the oilers are constantly junbling their top 6. Tippett likes to put mcdavid and Draisaitl together when we have last change.
 
redgrant said:
Hymen has not been stapled to mcdavid. He's played a ton of time with nuge. Basically the oilers are constantly junbling their top 6. Tippett likes to put mcdavid and Draisaitl together when we have last change.
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50% ES and 95% PP is pretty stapled as it gets
 
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