Blue Jays Discussion: Let the post-winter-meeting, pre-spring-training baseball withdrawl commence!

[Suntouchable13]

Just wanted to say that Roy Halladay has some balls going after Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Wow! I did not know he had that in him. When he made those comments, I was shocked!

 

[Muston Atthews]

I'm pretty sure he never actually considered that one.

Leaked emails show that AA inquired about Norris and said Sanchez is untouchable. Stros came back and said a deal around Stroman. AA comes back and asks what the + would be on top of Stroman and Astros came back and said probably Gose. This is probably where talks broke off as AA said he'd get back to the Astros later on

 

[Discoverer]

Leaked emails show that AA inquired about Norris and said Sanchez is untouchable. Stros came back and said a deal around Stroman. AA comes back and asks what the + would be on top of Stroman and Astros came back and said probably Gose. This is probably where talks broke off as AA said he'd get back to the Astros later on

“AA texted JL and asked what a package around Stroman might look like. JL said Stroman + Gose would be in consideration.â€

That could mean a lot of things. It could be just AA negotiating and getting a feel for how serious the Astros are about moving Norris, it could be that he was gathering information to see what the Astros would be willing to add to Norris to get Stroman... who knows?

I think what's pretty clear is that the Jays had no intention of moving Stroman for Norris. If they were willing to do it, Stroman would be an Astro.

 

[theaub]

That's like saying Sabean considered a Rios for Lincecum deal

 

[The Nemesis]

AA was considering a Stroman + deal for Bud Norris

No, it was more like AA wanted Norris and the Astros asked for Stroman. So AA responded with an "I'll get back to you" which is basically code for "I'll get back to you when you've sobered up."

 

[Mach85]

That could mean a lot of things. It could be just AA negotiating and getting a feel for how serious the Astros are about moving Norris, it could be that he was gathering information to see what the Astros would be willing to add to Norris to get Stroman... who knows?

I think what's pretty clear is that the Jays had no intention of moving Stroman for Norris. If they were willing to do it, Stroman would be an Astro.

That's like saying Sabean considered a Rios for Lincecum deal

Exactly - context, context, context. If it were seriously considered, there'd be a lot more dialogue in those emails. By all accounts, AA is the kind of guy who will sit and talk with a GM for ages even if he has no intention of doing anything. The reason? The more you can get a guy to talk about players, the more intel you can gather to use in later negotiations, or to extrapolate broader information/intentions. AA was a very cerebral GM; I'd bet that a large portion of his conversations weren't anywhere close to trying to make a genuine deal.

 

[Discoverer]

Exactly - context, context, context. If it were seriously considered, there'd be a lot more dialogue in those emails. By all accounts, AA is the kind of guy who will sit and talk with a GM for ages even if he has no intention of doing anything. The reason? The more you can get a guy to talk about players, the more intel you can gather to use in later negotiations, or to extrapolate broader information/intentions. AA was a very cerebral GM; I'd bet that a large portion of his conversations weren't anywhere close to trying to make a genuine deal.

Yep. The response we would all like to see when teams makes those kinds of demands in trades is "AA laughs and hangs up the phone". Realistically, teams don't act that way.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

No, it was more like AA wanted Norris and the Astros asked for Stroman. So AA responded with an "I'll get back to you" which is basically code for "I'll get back to you when you've sobered up."

"I'll get back to you" = "Lay off the pipe"

 

[The Nemesis]

"I'll get back to you" = "Lay off the pipe"

I'm pretty sure the "lay off the pipe" code is actually "I need to clear some things with upper management before I can get into specifics."

 

[The Nemesis]

The former Cards scouting director who was fired in the wake of the Astros hacking scandal (which is where those Norris conversations come from) has pleaded guilty to committing the hack. He faces up to 5 years in prison for each of the 5 charges he has against him for unlawful access to a protected computer.

Chances are he won't get actual jail time (and in the grand scheme of things, he really shouldn't), but that's still pretty damn serious.

 

[Mitchy]

This. So much this. I can handle the hat. Not both.

I used to hate the arrow, but apparently it's a tribute to his father, so at least there's a reason for it that doesn't make him look like a ******. I still don't like it though lol.

 

[theaub]

This Ben Revere for Drew Storen rumour is too good to be true isn't it

 

[tml19]

Hey aub

 

[Canada4Gold]

yes please yes

 

[Nasty Nazem]

Dang that would be a sweet deal.

 

[TF97]

I just fist pumped in public after reading the Storen rumor

 

[weems]

Opens the door for Pompey to win the LF spot.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 8s9 seconds ago
Revere for storen is agreed upon

OMG YES!

 

[tml19]

Its done acording to heyman.

 

[Canada4Gold]

So much sense being made here.

 

[Woodman19]

Omg that would be a sweet deal. Basically gives us a right handed Cecil and give us a 1-2-3 punch as effective as anyone else.

 

[tml19]

Kenny confirms.

Yessssss

 

[weems]

Good first real move by Atkins/Shapiro

 

[TheOtherSide]

Just what needed! The bullpen looks a lot better now!

 

[Canada4Gold]

We had an excess of outfielders, we had a pen need. We just traded the highest paid outfielder to acquire a nice reliever and used his salary for the pen all in 1 deal. Awesome deal.

Storen projected to make $2.1m more than Revere. But at least that money is now in an area of need. We're a better team after this deal.