GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[spockBokk]

Cap space = $31,650,000 plus whatever the cap goes up by

UFA - Teravainen, Skjei, Pesce, Chatfield, Martinook, DeAngelo, Raanta, Noesen, Lemieux
RFA - *Necas, Jarvis, Drury, *Coghlan

* - Arbitration eligible

Necas and Jarvis are the only must-sign players from that group for me. Ideally, one of Skjei/Pesce sticks around.

If TDA scores 50pts again, I imagine they find a way to keep him, cheaply.

Chatfield, I go back and forth with. I don’t see him as more than a 3rd pair guy who can play up with a strong partner (Skjei, Orlov or Slavin).

I hope they keep a spot open for Morrow to potentially grab too in 24-25.

 

[Lempo]

If TDA scores 50pts again, I imagine they find a way to keep him, cheaply.

One would think that him being the only NHL player to have been bought out twice would help with that.

 

[MinJaBen]

One would think that him being the only NHL player to have been bought out twice would help with that.

Hi, welcome to North American athletics, you must be new here?

 

[Discipline Daddy]

If we can talk Pesce down to reasonable term (i.e. 5 years or 6 with a lower AAV), you slide him in and we have I feel like most of the team skeleton in place for 24-25.

Skjei seems like the best candidate for trade this offseason. Here's the thing, unlike all the other contenders, we don't NEED capspace. We have a set lineup. We could feasibly deal Skjei and get back equal caphit of pure shit contract for 2023. We could take on Jeff Carter from Pittsburgh, for example, and just give them Skjei, and they forget about Karlsson. (Could do Granlund too but he should cost a fortune from our team since he sucks and gets 2 years of $5M term). If Vancouver wants to make the playoffs, we give them Skjei for Tyler Myers straight up. These deals probably won't happen, but if they did, we could garner a 1st in value. We could even trade Skjei at 50% retention.

With our current roster, it just makes more sense to trade our excess LD than to trade an RD and we still have 3 great top 4/top 2 LDs on the same team.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

With guys like brodie and DeMelo available next offseason as well, i don’t think we have to re-sign pesce. Chatfield is insurance too.

TDA isn’t likely kept with morrow inbound. Im assuming with DW trying to convince Morrow to sign 2 years ago, we are a believer in his stuff.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

If we can talk Pesce down to reasonable term (i.e. 5 years or 6 with a lower AAV), you slide him in and we have I feel like most of the team skeleton in place for 24-25.

Skjei seems like the best candidate for trade this offseason. Here's the thing, unlike all the other contenders, we don't NEED capspace. We have a set lineup. We could feasibly deal Skjei and get back equal caphit of pure shit contract for 2023. We could take on Jeff Carter from Pittsburgh, for example, and just give them Skjei, and they forget about Karlsson. (Could do Granlund too but he should cost a fortune from our team since he sucks and gets 2 years of $5M term). If Vancouver wants to make the playoffs, we give them Skjei for Tyler Myers straight up. These deals probably won't happen, but if they did, we could garner a 1st in value. We could even trade Skjei at 50% retention.

With our current roster, it just makes more sense to trade our excess LD than to trade an RD and we still have 3 great top 4/top 2 LDs on the same team.

Have no problem trading Skjei but he is a valuable piece and without taking back a shit player and equal cap he should fetch a 1st +.

If we’re taking back crap then the package returning better be damn good, especially if you’re giving him to the Pens.

 

[spockBokk]

If we can talk Pesce down to reasonable term (i.e. 5 years or 6 with a lower AAV), you slide him in and we have I feel like most of the team skeleton in place for 24-25.

Skjei seems like the best candidate for trade this offseason. Here's the thing, unlike all the other contenders, we don't NEED capspace. We have a set lineup. We could feasibly deal Skjei and get back equal caphit of pure shit contract for 2023. We could take on Jeff Carter from Pittsburgh, for example, and just give them Skjei, and they forget about Karlsson. (Could do Granlund too but he should cost a fortune from our team since he sucks and gets 2 years of $5M term). If Vancouver wants to make the playoffs, we give them Skjei for Tyler Myers straight up. These deals probably won't happen, but if they did, we could garner a 1st in value. We could even trade Skjei at 50% retention.

With our current roster, it just makes more sense to trade our excess LD than to trade an RD and we still have 3 great top 4/top 2 LDs on the same team.

Does it really make sense to trade a LD when they have 5 NHL RD?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Does it really make sense to trade a LD when they have 5 NHL RD?

It's tricky because 3 of the RHD are really 5/6/7 guys and 3 of our LHD are top 4 guys (Skjei, Orlov, Slavin).

I don't know how well Skjei or Orlov play on the RHD side. I do know Pesce can play well on the LHD side though, as he did with Faulk.

 

[NotOpie]

Tarasneko no closer to signing with a new club

Nothing new really. Seems like a frustrating situation for Vlad hasn't gotten any less frustrating.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Tarasneko no closer to signing with a new club

Nothing new really. Seems like a frustrating situation for Vlad hasn't gotten any less frustrating.

Yeah he should've just done the deal with us a month ago... However if he's forced to take a low money 1 year deal and use that year to increase his value (not sure it'll work), I don't know if we're the best team for him. He'll do well here, probably have a shot at another cup, but there are other teams he could go where he could rack up points much easier and that's what gets guys contracts. Still hoping we can land him on a 1 year deal but not so confident we will at this point

 

[Svechhammer]

Yeah he should've just done the deal with us a month ago... However if he's forced to take a low money 1 year deal and use that year to increase his value (not sure it'll work), I don't know if we're the best team for him. He'll do well here, probably have a shot at another cup, but there are other teams he could go where he could rack up points much easier and that's what gets guys contracts. Still hoping we can land him on a 1 year deal but not so confident we will at this point

See I disagree. Take a 1 year deal here for lower money, capitalize on all the feeds he'll be getting from the likes of Aho, Turbo, and to a lesser extent, KK, and he'll be viewed upon as the missing piece that pushed Carolina over the top for a Cup, and I don't think his stock could possibly be higher.

Putting up points is definitely one thing, and maybe he could get more elsewhere on a team that is more offensive focused, but getting a ton of points on a contending team that makes you look like a major key contributor to a legit push to a Cup? Well, that pays more

 

[spockBokk]

I still like the idea of Tarasenko, but I wonder if them going after a C would be better in the long run.

Aho - Kuznetsov/Scheifele/Lindholm-Kotkaniemi-Staal seems much better than Aho-Kotkaniemi-Staal-Drury.

(Kuznetsov and Schiefele used for illustration only really, since they’ve rumored to be available)

And yeah, no way Staal only gets 4th line mins, more so put him there for purposes of I think the team is stronger with 3 scoring lines vs 2.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

He is the nino of last off-season

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

See I disagree. Take a 1 year deal here for lower money, capitalize on all the feeds he'll be getting from the likes of Aho, Turbo, and to a lesser extent, KK, and he'll be viewed upon as the missing piece that pushed Carolina over the top for a Cup, and I don't think his stock could possibly be higher.

Putting up points is definitely one thing, and maybe he could get more elsewhere on a team that is more offensive focused, but getting a ton of points on a contending team that makes you look like a major key contributor to a legit push to a Cup? Well, that pays more

Look at what happened with Klingberg. Sometimes it doesn't help to bet on yourself!

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I still like the idea of Tarasenko, but I wonder if them going after a C would be better in the long run.

Aho - Kuznetsov/Scheifele/Lindholm-Kotkaniemi-Staal seems much better than Aho-Kotkaniemi-Staal-Drury.

(Kuznetsov and Schiefele used for illustration only really, since they’ve rumored to be available)

And yeah, no way Staal only gets 4th line mins, more so put him there for purposes of I think the team is stronger with 3 scoring lines vs 2.

What is the appeal of Kuzy or Scheifele?

Neither play defense. Kuzy is a perimeter playmaker (which we don’t need more of) and scheifele is a locker room issue. Scheifele is going to cost a ton to acquire and is far past the age limit to extend.

 

[spockBokk]

What is the appeal of Kuzy or Scheifele?

Neither play defense. Kuzy is a perimeter playmaker (which we don’t need more of) and scheifele is a locker room issue. Scheifele is going to cost a ton to acquire and is far past the age limit to extend.

They’re available is the appeal really.

Are they a fit, who knows, but my point is, perhaps it’s be better to go after a 2C vs another winger.

 

[Svechhammer]

Look at what happened with Klingberg. Sometimes it doesn't help to bet on yourself!

I don't think teams are lining up to give Tank a big deal like they were were Klingberg at that time. If they were, Tank would be signed by now.

 

[A Star is Burns]

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Tarasenko is in a tough spot.

He's coming off a couple of bad injuries a few years ago, he's 31 years old, wasn't a difference maker in NY, is coming off a 18G, 50 point season where he played only 69 games, and a lot of teams that he might want to go to have limited cap space.

I suspect this whole EK saga is holding things up a bit for a lot of moves. Once that's decided, things may start to move a little.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I don't think teams are lining up to give Tank a big deal like they were were Klingberg at that time. If they were, Tank would be signed by now.

Well Klingberg fumbled it pretty bad. It was a different situation in that he was trying to extort as much from Dallas as possible before hitting UFA. Dallas made a long term big money offer, but it wasn't to his liking so he brought it to UFA. I'm sure there were teams looking to sign him to multiple years at good money but at that point he likely wouldn't allow himself to sign for anything less than what Dallas had offered and by that point the Stars had moved on. So he did the 1x7 deal with ANA to bet on himself but dude did not have himself a great year at all, and Minny got swept in the playoffs so he didn't really get to recoup value there, so now he goes to the Leafs for an even lower one year 'prove it' deal at 1x$4.1.

He turned down 8x$7m from Dallas because he wanted 8x$8m. It will take him multiple years of good play to rehab his value, which is unlikely at this stage in his career and downward trajectory over the last few years, so the dude/agent cost himself tens of millions of dollars because they wanted the extra $1m per year. Pretty brutal misplay overall.

 

[Stickpucker]

Is it time to start warming up the fax machine for offer sheets?

 

[spockBokk]

Is it time to start warming up the fax machine for offer sheets?

Need some cap space before going that route. They only have $1.9M with Kochetkov being sent down.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Need some cap space before going that route. They only have $1.9M with Kochetkov being sent down.

You offer-sheet first THEN figure out the cap (sending out Skjei/Turbo) after. You definitely don't trade before OS because if it's not signed or signed-matched, now it failed AND you've traded away a player you must replace.

 

[DaveG]

Well Klingberg fumbled it pretty bad. It was a different situation in that he was trying to extort as much from Dallas as possible before hitting UFA. Dallas made a long term big money offer, but it wasn't to his liking so he brought it to UFA. I'm sure there were teams looking to sign him to multiple years at good money but at that point he likely wouldn't allow himself to sign for anything less than what Dallas had offered and by that point the Stars had moved on. So he did the 1x7 deal with ANA to bet on himself but dude did not have himself a great year at all, and Minny got swept in the playoffs so he didn't really get to recoup value there, so now he goes to the Leafs for an even lower one year 'prove it' deal at 1x$4.1.

He turned down 8x$7m from Dallas because he wanted 8x$8m. It will take him multiple years of good play to rehab his value, which is unlikely at this stage in his career and downward trajectory over the last few years, so the dude/agent cost himself tens of millions of dollars because they wanted the extra $1m per year. Pretty brutal misplay overall.

yep. I know we had sniffed around Klingberg pretty heavily last offseason and made the decision that Burns (with retention) made more sense which... yeah, pretty clearly it did.

 

[NotOpie]

TDA isn’t likely kept with morrow inbound. Im assuming with DW trying to convince Morrow to sign 2 years ago, we are a believer in his stuff.

My sense is before any of our high end prospects are going to sign, we'll have to have an AHL plan in place. Perhaps Morrow went back because he wanted to better himself, or perhaps he went back because we didn't have anywhere to put him. Personally, I'd love to have seen him go the Drury route and play in Sweden....against men.