GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

You offer-sheet first THEN figure out the cap (sending out Skjei/Turbo) after. You definitely don't trade before OS because if it's not signed or signed-matched, now it failed AND you've traded away a player you must replace.

Unless you know that a team can't match an offer sheet. In that scenario, you do want to make the cap room first. Again, I think both the Oilers and Rangers are incredibly vulnerable.

 

[Lempo]

You offer-sheet first THEN figure out the cap (sending out Skjei/Turbo) after. You definitely don't trade before OS because if it's not signed or signed-matched, now it failed AND you've traded away a player you must replace.

You might make yourself vulnerable if the offer sheet is successful and everyone knows you have to shed some salary before the regular season start.

On a different point, there is the limitation courtesy of the CBA that any offer sheet made will count against the cap for the offer sheeting club like it was a genuine SPC already and thusly you have to have the cap room for it from the get-go. There obviously is the 10 percent raise to the cap from July 1st until the regular season start, but any meaningful offer sheet may yet take the club uncomfortably close to the cap if not even over it.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Rangers will not be really susceptible until the 10th of august. Their arb case is the 6th then they a small window to buy someone out. None of the good teams have the space to offer above 2nd round compensation right now. We’ll have to see around the 10th if the Rangers will have an issue matching a 2nd round compensation.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The big thing that gives the Canes a ton of trade leverage right now is that the Canes genuinely don't need to move anybody at all. Yes, I know that the defense is comically loaded at the moment and Chatfield would not be a #7 in any other organization, however, the Canes have three top-4 pairings (Slavin/DeAngelo, Skjei/Pesce, and Orlov/Burns), three NHL goaltenders (Andersen/Raanta/Kochetkov), and a plenty-decent forward crop without making any other moves...and still being a couple million under the cap. The Canes genuinely don't have to do a damned thing, because with Orlov on a 2 year contract, Skjei and Pesce may actually be more valuable to the team as own-rental players than they could ever get in a trade. Even if the Canes let them walk, they still have three of the top-4 covered for next season (with both Chatfield and DeAngelo as potential extension candidates, especially Chatfield)!

 

[TheBigLetowski]

I really hope they don't put TDA with Slavin.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I really hope they don't put TDA with Slavin.

Once in a while, I don't think it's a bad idea to give Burns a rest. He's a freak of nature, yes, but he's also 38. Even legendarily ageless wonders can use rest time.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Once in a while, I don't think it's a bad idea to give Burns a rest. He's a freak of nature, yes, but he's also 38. Even legendarily ageless wonders can use rest time.

Give Slavin a rest too then, just play that pair less minutes per game in the regular season, the other 2 pairs are more than good enough to make up for it and spread out the playing time. Also can healthy scratch guys to rest them and rotate in the 7th D

 

[Discipline Daddy]

With my previous post about Skjei, I'm just trying to think unconventionally like the Borg and re-coup long-term assets. There is a bit of opportunity cost it feels like in having too many D that you can't play. But at the same time, money is tight around the league, and many teams just can't fit in a Brady Skjei. The advantage we have is we can just take shit cap back to make the transaction equal.

5 years ago I think the league was more likely to make these plays for short term gain. I could see teams then giving unprotected firsts in situations where they could feasibly miss the playoffs.

Now, I think the climate has gotten more sensible. I don't think we will find a situation that gives the Canes sufficient value that is better than own-renting Skjei and Pesce, so we'll probably keep them all year.

The only time it feels like lately where teams give 1sts callously is the trade deadline, and that's usually top 10 protected 1sts from contenders. The Borg wouldn't make a "sellers" trade for a contending team, and doing so would disrupt the locker room.

 

[spockBokk]

Sens’ fans getting all in a tizzy over some Twitter/X rando saying Tarasenko to OTT is done:

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

What I'll say about Tank is this:

- I'd like to add him, I think he could offer us something we don't have much of on the team which is true elite finishing ability, and I think whatever deal he signs at this point will come without any long term risk being a 1 year deal. If we do trade Pesce or Skjei for futures and don't parlay that into acquiring a forward by trade we'll want to use the cap space for this year on something and Tank makes as much sense as anyone else.
- I thought last year he'd be a big add for the Rangers but he really wasn't impactful whatsoever. That said, their issues are different than ours and adding him (and Kane) just gave them more of what they already had rather than helping solve their actual issues.
- I am still concerned about his injury risk, even on a 1 year deal. Could very well be a Patches situation all over again.

Overall, I'd still like to add him but if we don't get him I wouldn't view it as striking out or a huge lost opportunity. I think there's a solid chance that even if we added him and he was healthy, he could be relatively disappointing compared to expectations. Yes he was great for the Blues 2 years ago but before that a couple rough years and last year he was underwhelming, and he's only gotten older while having a playstyle that gives him a bit of a beating. There certainly is upside there though and he fits a need well. We'll see how it plays out but I won't get too upset or excited whatever happens.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Now, I think the climate has gotten more sensible. I don't think we will find a situation that gives the Canes sufficient value that is better than own-renting Skjei and Pesce, so we'll probably keep them all year.

It's not about GMs becoming more sensible. If they were ever sensible, they would be more willing to pay for a full year of a player than 2 months of one. It's only because the GMs used up all of their cap space by July 1st and can't add players without either cap accumulation or 75% retainment.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Sens’ fans getting all in a tizzy over some Twitter/X rando saying Tarasenko to OTT is done:

Not that much of a stretch. I believe the rumor has been the Sens being the favorite since Tank changed agents.

 

[spockBokk]

Sens’ fans getting all in a tizzy over some Twitter/X rando saying Tarasenko to OTT is done:

Well, guess rando guy was right

 

[Stickpucker]

Nashville and Buffalo still have quite a bit of cap space.

Both of them could use some help at D.

Give em a call Donny Wads!

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Nashville and Buffalo still have quite a bit of cap space.

Both of them could use some help at D.

Give em a call Donny Wads!

neither really have the offensive player we are looking for that they would trade.

 

[MinJaBen]

I wonder if the correct play for the front office at this point is to just hold enough cap space to bank it during the season and then make a big splash at the deadline. Keep the D as is as an own rental and make the playoffs. A better player can be squeezed in then without having to move Pesce or Skjei to get it done.

 

[NotOpie]

If we're looking for a "now" forward, there's nobody on Nashville outside of Forsberg and he ain't going anywhere best I can tell. On Buffalo there's Tuch and there's maybe Mittelstadt. Other than that you're looking at a few potentially high end futures, but that's not what we need....if we're looking specifically for this season.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If we're looking for a "now" forward, there's nobody on Nashville outside of Forsberg and he ain't going anywhere best I can tell. On Buffalo there's Tuch and there's maybe Mittelstadt. Other than that you're looking at a few potentially high end futures, but that's not what we need....if we're looking specifically for this season.

Tuch isn’t going anywhere and Mittlestadt doesn’t do much for improvement.

Mittlestadt would be better than Kuzy for 2C but both are small playing playmakers. Not exactly our need.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Tuch isn’t going anywhere and Mittlestadt doesn’t do much for improvement.

Mittlestadt would be better than Kuzy for 2C but both are small playing playmakers. Not exactly our need.

Neither is D but we keep getting more of those

 

[cptjeff]

I wonder if the correct play for the front office at this point is to just hold enough cap space to bank it during the season and then make a big splash at the deadline. Keep the D as is as an own rental and make the playoffs. A better player can be squeezed in then without having to move Pesce or Skjei to get it done.

Kane with repaired hip signed in December?

BTW, he's one goal short of Brindy right now.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I wonder if the correct play for the front office at this point is to just hold enough cap space to bank it during the season and then make a big splash at the deadline. Keep the D as is as an own rental and make the playoffs. A better player can be squeezed in then without having to move Pesce or Skjei to get it done.

Playing around with the numbers a bit. With no skater callups (for ease of calculation) and Kochetkov on the roster half of the time, they would have enough cap space on deadline day to afford an ~$8.5 mil player outright. No sending back an undesirable contract or retention, particularly relevant considering the type of player they'd be targeting (term), necessary.

EDIT: See below.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Neither is D but we keep getting more of those

Those have been free of trades though

 

[spockBokk]

Looks like Tarasenko would have made $250k more on a 1yr deal had he not fired his agent and stuck with the Canes’ deal:

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Playing around with the numbers a bit. With no skater callups (for ease of calculation) and Kochetkov on the roster half of the time, they would have enough cap space on deadline day to afford an ~$8.5 mil player outright. No sending back an undesirable contract or retention, particularly relevant considering the type of player they'd be targeting (term), necessary.

If the Blues further cave in this year and drift further to rebuilding mode, I would be pushing hard for Kyrou. That would require an arm and a leg (almost certainly Jarvis +) but IMO would be worth it.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Playing around with the numbers a bit. With no skater callups (for ease of calculation) and Kochetkov on the roster half of the time, they would have enough cap space on deadline day to afford an ~$8.5 mil player outright. No sending back an undesirable contract or retention, particularly relevant considering the type of player they'd be targeting (term), necessary.

how did you get that?

625k (money saved from Koch spending half the time in the AHL) + 850k (current cap space) = 1475000. 1475000 / 47 (days left in regular season) = 31,382. A 31,382 player has a 186 day cap hit of 5.837 million.

am i messing this up?