GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[Justicebork]

Wasn't that Nylander comment specific to an extension in Toronto and the dynamics of their core whore four?

 

[LakeLivin]

We haven’t guaranteed a ton of money to anyone never playing here before. I would be shocked if we gave Nylander 72 million without playing here.

I don’t see us making that push for him. We would do a 1 year contract swap for Nylander but ours likely block any moves to Toronto.

Seeing how we don’t do the first one and it makes no sense to trade a young roster player without an extension, im not seeing a match.

My post was a general note, no reference to Nylander & Carolina at all. But I do think a lot of people here put their own limits on what the Borg will or won't due based on it's actions to date. [E.g., they haven't signed a long term big $ contract and will try to squeeze Aho so he'll be a flight risk.] I think the Borg is smart enough to vary from it's past behavior if and when it makes sense. I'm not saying they should for Nylander, just in general.

 

[NotOpie]

If the Blues further cave in this year and drift further to rebuilding mode, I would be pushing hard for Kyrou. That would require an arm and a leg (almost certainly Jarvis +) but IMO would be worth it.

Kyrou and Thomas are 25 and 24 years old and will be part of St. Louis's future. Personally, I don't think the Blues need a rebuild, more of a retool.

 

[SoupNazi]

I don’t see pesce waiving for Toronto

Didn't you know everyone wants to play in Tranna?

 

[mikeyfan]

could the Hurricanes make a surprise move and put together some prospects and draft picks along with a veteran for Troy Terry, then offer Terry a 3 year bridge contract for 3.5 to 4.5 a year or a 8 year contract for 7 to 8 million a year.

im sure im going to be asked what veterans ? Any one of Pesce, Skjei, Chatfield, Drury, or Tevo.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

could the Hurricanes make a surprise move and put together some prospects and draft picks along with a veteran for Troy Terry, then offer Terry a 3 year bridge contract for 3.5 to 4.5 a year or a 8 year contract for 7 to 8 million a year.

im sure im going to be asked what veterans ? Any one of Pesce, Skjei, Chatfield, Drury, or Tevo.

We could, sure. I don’t see Anaheim interested in what we have to offer. Maybe we get better options in a trade of Skjei to a team Skjei would stick around long term.

 

[chaz4hockey]

There have been a couple reports that Nylander would take less than max if the other top players on his team were also taking less than max in order to optimize the lineup.

I believe that applied to Toronto and tied to Marner/Matthews.

Re: Nylander-ego aside (ie wants to be paid higher than most players), wouldn't moving from Toronto and it's high Province tax mean that a lower gross amount in a USA city mean a higher take home?

 

[mikeyfan]

I believe that applied to Toronto and tied to Marner/Matthews.

Re: Nylander-ego aside (ie wants to be paid higher than most players), wouldn't moving from Toronto and it's high Province tax mean that a lower gross amount in a USA city mean a higher take home?

According to the Cap Friendly Calculator. If Nylander were to sign for 9 million, no bonuses, his take home after taxes would be $4,749,805 after taxes, agent fees, and Escrow

if he signed for 10 million in Toronto his take home would be $4,391,225

definitely more take home signing for 9 million a year in Carolina

 

[Lempo]

According to the Cap Friendly Calculator. If Nylander were to sign for 9 million, no bonuses, his take home after taxes would be $4,749,805 after taxes, agent fees, and Escrow

if he signed for 10 million in Toronto his take home would be $4,391,225

definitely more take home signing for 9 million a year in Carolina

There's the potential for external marketing deals, though. If he's so inclined, as a Toronto Maple Leaf he could recover some of that money lost on taxes with shampoo ads and whatelse.

 

[mikeyfan]

There's the potential for external marketing deals, though. If he's so inclined, as a Toronto Maple Leaf he could recover some of that money lost on taxes with shampoo ads and whatelse.

True, but he could be playing Golf in Raleigh, instead of. Studio too. lol

 

[SvechneJerk]

The tax issue has been discussed in the Nylander thread on the TO board.

Apparently, one benefit of having most of the salary in signing bonuses is that you end up getting taxed LESS on it than if it was getting paid out normally. It definitely evens the playing field in this context. That is a bit of an advantage for a organization as cash rich as Toronto. Most teams don’t have the appetite to structure things in that way.

 

[SvechneJerk]

*Addendum to my above post.

https://ca.rbcwealthmanagement.com/documents/1943269/1943331/Signing_bonus_planning_for_sports_professionals.pdf/2ebb1a52-d371-4152-8915-8a714163238a

 

[chaz4hockey]

*Addendum to my above post.

https://ca.rbcwealthmanagement.com/documents/1943269/1943331/Signing_bonus_planning_for_sports_professionals.pdf/2ebb1a52-d371-4152-8915-8a714163238a

I wonder how that comes out when applied to euro based / taxed players.

 

[Lempo]

I wonder how that comes out when applied to euro based / taxed players.

They take care to spend less than ~180 days in Europe per year to stay out of the reach of their home country's bloodthirsty taxmen. If I have understood correctly, Shakira's current legal trouble stem from the Spanish officials claiming that she's living there courtesy of allegedly spending too much time per year there. Do note, it's residency based, not nationality based.

At the centre of this row is Shakira's residency status between 2012 and 2014, when prosecutors alleged that she was living in Spain but listing her official residence elsewhere.

Under Spanish law, people who spend more than six months in the country are considered residents for tax purposes. But Shakira says Spain was not where she was mainly living at the time.

Shakira to stand trial in Spain for tax evasion

The singer is accused of failing to pay €14.5m (£12.9m) in tax and could face eight years in jail.

www.bbc.com

 

[chaz4hockey]

They take care to spend less than ~180 days in Europe per year to stay out of the reach of their home country's bloodthirsty taxmen. If I have understood correctly, Shakira's current legal trouble stem from the Spanish officials claiming that she's living there courtesy of allegedly spending too much time per year there. Do note, it's residency based, not nationality based.

Shakira to stand trial in Spain for tax evasion

The singer is accused of failing to pay €14.5m (£12.9m) in tax and could face eight years in jail.

www.bbc.com

thx....wow, she's paid over €17.0 in taxes since. Spain does like to go after highly paid athletes.

Also, I gather tax statute of limitations goes back a long way in Europe versus USA?

 

[Lempo]

Also, I gather tax statute of limitations does back a long way in Europe versus USA?

Five years in Finland, I believe. Though, the aggravated tax fraud has the statute of limitations of ten years, and I'm not at all sure whether a person found guilty of it couldn't be ordered to forfeit the corresponding amount of money as proceeds of crime.

Can't say of Europe in general, the member states of EU have tried to stay the EU away from the national taxation so there's not much harmonization I'd guess.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Im in the boat of waiting until the deadline. While we wouldn’t go shoppin the in Schiefele, Lindholm, or other top end aisle, there should be a decent amount of middle six forwards available. The market will lack quality if Winnipeg and Arizona make the playoffs though. 1 has a chance but likely not both and both are more likely to miss the playoffs.

Outside of the rentals there could be some decent guys with term available.

If Winnipeg goes rebuild after missing the playoffs, Ehlers could be a decent target, if healthy.

I doubt we spring for a Buchnevich level guy but he is in that range.

Do the guys with term get restless in Zona?

Konecny, Mangiapane and a couple of others will be in that group.

When coleman disappoints again, he could be a decent term player to target.

Adding a top 6 or middle 6 forward to our current group is a lot more appealing than subtracting one of our defenders to get a top 6 / middle 6 forward now.

 

[spockBokk]

I still find it an unlikely scenario where they go into the regular season with all of Burns-Pesce-DeAngelo-Chatfield-Coghlan on the right side. Perhaps they go into training camp with Pesce, and they trade him a la Faulk.

I’ll hazard a guess that they’ll end up trading Pesce in the next few weeks for a bottom pair D or filler bottom 6 forward + a decent pick and/or prospect, then they turn around and flip some or all of that return in a package for a top 6 forward.

Although, if ever there were a season to carry 8 D on the big roster, this season would be it, with no AHL affiliate.

I suppose if they cleared Pesce’s cap without taking any back, they might be able to offer sheet an RFA too, like they did with Kotkaniemi in last August, if they still have space and strike out on trading for a top 6 scorer. With Kotchetkov sent back down to the minors and with Pesce still in the fold, they have just over $2M in space left. Subtract Pesce’s $4M and things could get interesting for sure.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I still find it an unlikely scenario where they go into the regular season with all of Burns-Pesce-DeAngelo-Chatfield-Coghlan on the right side. Perhaps they go into training camp with Pesce, and they trade him a la Faulk.

I’ll hazard a guess that they’ll end up trading Pesce in the next few weeks for a bottom pair D or filler bottom 6 forward + a decent pick and/or prospect, then they turn around and flip some or all of that return in a package for a top 6 forward.

Although, if ever there were a season to carry 8 D on the big roster, this season would be it, with no AHL affiliate.

I suppose if they cleared Pesce’s cap without taking any back, they might be able to offer sheet an RFA too, like they did with Kotkaniemi in last August, if they still have space and strike out on trading for a top 6 scorer. With Kotchetkov sent back down to the minors and with Pesce still in the fold, they have just over $2M in space left. Subtract Pesce’s $4M and things could get interesting for sure.

Why is it so unlikely? Coghlan is terrible even as a 7D, ok 8D if push really comes to shove with injuries. Chatfield was great last year but he and DeAngelo come cheap and can rotate in and out of the lineup and provide great depth. The logjam at LD is more of an issue than RD. If anything I think Skjei is moved or if a RD is moved, Skjei or Orlov will be played on the right side.

 

[spockBokk]

Why is it so unlikely? Coghlan is terrible even as a 7D, ok 8D if push really comes to shove with injuries. Chatfield was great last year but he and DeAngelo come cheap and can rotate in and out of the lineup and provide great depth. The logjam at LD is more of an issue than RD. If anything I think Skjei is moved or if a RD is moved, Skjei or Orlov will be played on the right side.

I highly doubt RBA is going to play anyone on their offside if he can help it.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I highly doubt RBA is going to play anyone on their offside if he can help it.

Maybe not but that doesn't change the fact that we have 3 clear top 4, arguably top pair, LHD on the roster with 1 ending up on the 3rd pair and playing 3rd pair minutes. I view that as more of an issue than having TDA or Chatfield scratched. That's just very good depth with both players having low cap hits. Having the cap hit of Orlov or Skjei on the 3rd pair is underutilization of a decent sized chunk of the cap. Unless we are just going into this season with the stacked blue line and run the 3 pairs equally and rest some guys while rotating Chatfield/TDA in and around the lineup.

 

[spockBokk]

Unless we are just going into this season with the stacked blue line and run the 3 pairs equally and rest some guys while rotating Chatfield/TDA in and around the lineup.

This is what I expect happens:

Slavin-Burns/TDA
Orlov-TDA/Burns
Skjei-Chatfield

Roll all 3 pairs equally.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

This is what I expect happens:

Slavin-Burns/TDA
Orlov-TDA/Burns
Skjei-Chatfield

Roll all 3 pairs equally.

Slavin-Burns
Orlov-Pesce
Skjei-TDA/Chatfield

So much better. TDA on the top pair already failed in the playoffs once, we don’t need a repeat

 

[spockBokk]

Slavin-Burns
Orlov-Pesce
Skjei-TDA/Chatfield

So much better. TDA on the top pair already failed in the playoffs once, we don’t need a repeat

Yep, that’s better, but I don’t see it happening.

 

[Svechhammer]