GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[AD Skinner]

I don’t disagree that they could be great together so let me rephrase. No matter which pair was the third pair it would be better than a lot teams second pair, but I am not sure if tda and skjei would be better than tda and orlov. I’m also not sure Pesce and orlov would be better than Pesce and skjei. If we have Pesce and skjei (likely not) to me it makes the most sense to keep them together. either way we’d have the best defense since the 07 ducks on paper if we keep them both no matter who plays with who

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Totall

I don’t disagree that they could be great together so let me rephrase. No matter which pair was the third pair it would be better than a lot teams second pair, but I am not sure if tda and skjei would be better than tda and orlov. I’m also not sure Pesce and orlov would be better than Pesce and skjei. If we have Pesce and skjei (likely not) to me it makes the most sense to keep them together. either way we’d have the best defense since the 07 ducks on paper if we keep them both no matter who plays with who

Totally and of course we can’t know how well each combo would be without trying them all out. Skjei TDA would skew pretty well offensively where as Orlov Pesce would be absolutely rock solid with great physicality, but with limited offensive upside. No right or wrong necessarily, just about whether you want more balanced pairs or to gear towards a certain attribute.

Either way, I don’t think any combination you would have to worry about in any situation

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Jesus Christ... this is the most privileged out of touch take I've seen in forever.

Brady Skjei... who has played at a #2D caliber the last two seasons, along with Tony DeAngelo, who has played at a 60 point pace in his last 3 full seasons... you're worried about them on the 3RD PAIR?

What are we even talking about here?!?!?!

I like that you just respectfully disagreed with him and didn’t come down on him like a ton of bricks like a lot of posters on HF do.

 

[hblueridgegal]

What would be the upside for Brady to play on the 3rd pair considering time for a new deal is on the horizon? He might raise his hand for a trade except he has reasons for remaining in the Triangle for a bit.

 

[spockBokk]

What would be the upside for Brady to play on the 3rd pair considering time for a new deal is on the horizon? He might raise his hand for a trade except he has reasons for remaining in the Triangle for a bit.

Did McDonagh bitch and moan about playing 3rd pair on 2 cup-winning teams?

It’s a team game, the team doesn’t give a rip about Skjei’s next deal. The goal is to ice the best roster to win a cup. If 3rd pair Skjei is part of that, so be it.

 

[A Star is Burns]

What would be the upside for Brady to play on the 3rd pair considering time for a new deal is on the horizon? He might raise his hand for a trade except he has reasons for remaining in the Triangle for a bit.

Admittedly, I've been wondering if we can't find a trade or trades, what happens? Right now we are pretty much guaranteed to have guys playing lower than their play warrants. But in the case of Skjei, Pesce, TDA, and Chatfield, sulking isn't going to do anything for them and could hurt their chances at the next contract as much or more than playing a lower role. And the team isn't obligated to trade them. If they can't even find Faulk value, they may hold onto all of them. I suspect they will do all they can to move at least one of Skjei or Pesce but if they don't, it will take every trick Brindy has in his coaching bag to keep everyone happy. And that's without even knowing if they still might try to pull off Karlsson.

Did McDonagh bitch and moan about playing 3rd pair on 2 cup-winning teams?

It’s a team game, the team doesn’t give a rip about Skjei’s next deal. The goal is to ice the best roster to win a cup. If 3rd pair Skjei is part of that, so be it.

Didn't he get his bag before they won those Cups, though? Playing the third pairing in their contract year could cost them a lot of money potentially.

 

[Derailed75]

Did I say you said they sucked?

You said you're 'not sold on them' for 3rd pair duties. Bro... Skjei and TDA would feast on that lesser competition considering how well they play against tougher stuff around the league.

I can appreciate you might not think they would make the best pair ever based on the combinations that could be possible but again... it's the 3rd pair. Skjei has come a very long way from his human hand grenade days when he first joined the Canes. I would honestly put him over Pesce as the more steady defender right now. He seems to get burned and have less f*** ups in the defensive zone. Skjei and TDA's ability to move the puck, skate, and break out of the zone could be pretty unreal together.

It would be better than probably 2/3rds of the league's 2nd pairings.

I gotta agree with him. They would scare the shit out if me everytime the other team had the puck. The flip side however is that on the rush it would be like 5 forwards barreling down on the goalie.

So TLDR: would be must see tv

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

One counter-argument that I can make is Severson last season in NJ. He was often forced to play on the third pair last year because of the Marino acquisition, and it did not hurt his UFA value at all. I think that teams know and understand who are legitimate top-4 D caliber even if the depth on a particular team leads to unusually low ice time. Also, if Pesce is traded, Skjei will still likely get top-4 D playing time even if he's technically on "the third pair", not dissimilar to how Tampa used to split the bulk of their defensive minutes to Hedman/McDonagh/Sergachev even though all three were technically on different pairings.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I like that you just respectfully disagreed with him and didn’t come down on him like a ton of bricks like a lot of posters on HF do.

That’s not true. Take that back.

I gotta agree with him. They would scare the shit out if me everytime the other team had the puck. The flip side however is that on the rush it would be like 5 forwards barreling down on the goalie.

So TLDR: would be must see tv

If you can’t trust TDA to play with Skjei then you basically can’t trust him to play with anyone. He is who is his and Skjei is more than capable of handling the defensive side of things in a pairing.

 

[Svechhammer]

I gotta agree with him. They would scare the shit out if me everytime the other team had the puck. The flip side however is that on the rush it would be like 5 forwards barreling down on the goalie.

So TLDR: would be must see tv

Counterpoint.... It's the 3rd pair. It would be vastly superior to any 3rd pair we've had in a while and a complete f*** you luxury to trot out against anyone we play. As stated earlier, it would be better than most 2nd pair lines that exist across the league.

If you're worried about that, I question if you're ever going to be satisfied with the makeup of any team in the cap era.

 

[Derailed75]

Counterpoint.... It's the 3rd pair. It would be vastly superior to any 3rd pair we've had in a while and a complete f*** you luxury to trot out against anyone we play. As stated earlier, it would be better than most 2nd pair lines that exist across the league.

If you're worried about that, I question if you're ever going to be satisfied with the makeup of any team in the cap era.

Oh no I agree on that just think they are too offensive minded to be put together. Like I said with the puck they would be an absolute nightmare for the other team.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Oh no I agree on that just think they are too offensive minded to be put together. Like I said with the puck they would be an absolute nightmare for the other team.

I still think you're really underrating Skjei's defensive abilities. The guy plays on the top PK for a reason. It's certainly not Pesce doing all the heavy lifting as much as people might spin that narrative. He's more than capable of being defensively responsible. Is he Slavin? No. But to label a Skjei - TDA pairing as a potential defensive disaster is overblown.

 

[hblueridgegal]

 

[Bub]

When Josh Hamilton has a daughter that age then it's official.. I'm old.. time to start wearing depends.

No no no -- it's when the guys you watched have retired, and now their kids have played and are retiring.

 

[DaveG]

No no no -- it's when the guys you watched have retired, and now their kids have played and are retiring.

Chris Bourque, cmon down

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Im fairly certain Ottawa doesn’t get cap relief for a retained player is Ltir’d with another team. so that 1+ million less in space for Ottawa should help us with Tarasenko. Just have to move a defender

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

I gotta agree with him. They would scare the shit out if me everytime the other team had the puck. The flip side however is that on the rush it would be like 5 forwards barreling down on the goalie.

So TLDR: would be must see tv

Our owner said he wanted 5-4 games and by gawd the borg is gonna give it to him.

 

[Lempo]

Im fairly certain Ottawa doesn’t get cap relief for a retained player is Ltir’d with another team. so that 1+ million less in space for Ottawa should help us with Tarasenko. Just have to move a defender

No they don't. In technical sense the cap hit of the LTIR player keeps hitting the club like before, the club gets the relief for the salaries of the players brought in to replace the LTIR player.

 

[Stickpucker]

So what do we do next?

Trade Pesce for JJ Peterka or Trade Skjei for stuff then stuff + more stuff + Drury for Lindholm?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

So what do we do next?

Trade Pesce for JJ Peterka or Trade Skjei for stuff then stuff + more stuff + Drury for Lindholm?

Slavin
Lindholm
Orlov

Now that would be a solid LHD squad. I just hope Dimitry is good enough to play 3rd pairing minutes and babysit TDA

 

[Brock Anton]

So what do we do next?

Trade Pesce for JJ Peterka or Trade Skjei for stuff then stuff + more stuff + Drury for Lindholm?

Troll the Bruins and offer David Krejci a contract.

 

[spockBokk]

So what do we do next?

Trade Pesce for JJ Peterka or Trade Skjei for stuff then stuff + more stuff + Drury for Lindholm?

My guess:


Pesce for roster player (making $2-2.5M, who also could be flipped, thinking Fabbro) + futures or straight futures

Make play Tarasenko 1yr x $4-5M(or maybe even Tatar if they have to take on cap from the Pesce trade)

 

[Sigurd]

So what do we do next?

Trade Pesce for JJ Peterka or Trade Skjei for stuff then stuff + more stuff + Drury for Lindholm?

With us most likely moving on from Karlsson after signing TDA, and the Karlsson trade saga dragging on so long (Meier 2.0 with San Jose again), I think we keep Pesce unless there's a good trade for a really good roster forward (like Nylander, but his ask for an extension sounds too expensive for the Canes).

Even if we get a really good forward in exchange for Pesce, our RHD depth will take a blow.

If we're gonna trade a defenseman, I think it should be Skjei because we signed Orlov, and we shouldn't have one of the two LHD on the third pairing. It certainly won't be Orlov on the 3rd pairing with his expensive contract and us just signing him.

 

[Svechhammer]

Cap space = $31,650,000 plus whatever the cap goes up by

UFA - Teravainen, Skjei, Pesce, Chatfield, Martinook, DeAngelo, Raanta, Noesen, Lemieux
RFA - *Necas, Jarvis, Drury, *Coghlan

* - Arbitration eligible

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Cap space = $31,650,000 plus whatever the cap goes up by

UFA - Teravainen, Skjei, Pesce, Chatfield, Martinook, DeAngelo, Raanta, Noesen, Lemieux
RFA - *Necas, Jarvis, Drury, *Coghlan

* - Arbitration eligible

Can't keep them all but I think we're well positioned to not be hit hard at all by the guys we do have to let go.