GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And the only thing they like less than paying full price is seeing someone else get a bargain they could have had.

If they get Pitt to pay more so EK isn’t such a bargain, thats a win in their mind.

Maybe, but I think this front office doesn't care what other teams do so I'm not sure they'd be that upset of Pitt got EK on a deal, particularly if the deal was more than they wanted to pay.

It's bend kind of nice to not worry about other teams now days and focus on our own team.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Not if Karlsson isn't a Cane. In the absence of him, the Canes could certainly use that PP upgrade.

Disagree. With Chatty, orlov, burns, and Skjei we have offensive D guys but with much better defense.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Plan A isn’t Karlsson.

Plan A isn’t DeAngelo.

Plan A is Anton ****ing Babchuk.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Disagree. With Chatty, orlov, burns, and Skjei we have offensive D guys but with much better defense.

Except none of those guys are really that good at actually moving the puck on the PP, which TDA demonstrably is.

 

[Sigurd]

I mean, EK65 has a full no movement clause, right? Can't he basically just decide where he's going?

Yeah, he could, and for the sake of the fans, he should so this saga ends (not that the players care about fans waiting a long time).

However, I wonder if he hasn't said I want to go to team X because he wants to give San Jose as much of a return as possible/ not tank the trade return (well, any further than it probably will be for his contract). He wouldn't be the first player to do something like that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Except none of those guys are really that good at actually moving the puck on the PP, which TDA demonstrably is.

Moving the puck on the pp hasn’t ever been our issue, its shooters.

Even with his 5 assists on the PP in the 21-22 playoffs, the PP wasn’t great.

 

[WreckingCrew]

FTR, I listed to a bit of that pod and Peng was pretty adamant that EK isn’t as valuable as SJ fans want to think (which coming from an SJ source is telling). Reading between the lines, it feels like he was talking about a scenario where Grier is just waiting for a bidding war that’s never going to arrive.

In his hypothetical CAR proposal it was EK at 40% retained for TT, Drury, lottery protected 1st and a 3rd. I’d do that in a heartbeat.

That feels like a big overpay for a guy with a NMC who could break at any time, and we're giving up 2 roster players (we don't like doing that) we then have to backfill with new guys. That's a lot of change for WLOG but are replacing 4 forwards (Stast, Step, TT, Drury)

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Moving our problem on the pp hasn’t ever been our issue, its shooters.

Even with his 5 assists on the PP in the 21-22 playoffs, the PP wasn’t great.

Moving the puck around on the PP is pretty obviously one of our problems. That's why we frequently get stoned by hot goalies; they never have to move from side to side.

If you don't think his PP upside is worth his defensive downside at even strength, that's a fair take. But he is visibly a better passer on the PP than any defenseman we currently have on our roster. It's basically the only thing he's really good at, and thus basically the only reason we'd possibly be interested.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Moving the puck around on the PP is pretty obviously one of our problems. That's why we frequently get stoned by hot goalies; they never have to move from side to side.

If you don't think his PP upside is worth his defensive downside at even strength, that's a fair take. But he is visibly a better passer on the PP than any defenseman we currently have on our roster. It's basically the only thing he's really good at, and thus basically the only reason we'd possibly be interested.

So we have been down this road and it hasn’t worked in the playoffs before. TDA didn’t help our PP during the 21-22 playoffs.

It has very little to do with puck movement it has all to do with our players adversity to getting dirty on the PP. Teams spend more time very close to the paint with their sticks in the passing lanes. As we move the puck, which we do well, the pucks are deflected or stopped as they go side to side. We don’t have one time shooters, the shooters who can pick spots to make the defense open up some to try to stop those shots and we don’t have shooters who will go to the dirty areas to corral rebounds.

 

[WreckingCrew]

So we have been down this road and it hasn’t worked in the playoffs before. TDA didn’t help our PP during the 21-22 playoffs.

It has very little to do with puck movement it has all to do with our players adversity to getting dirty on the PP. Teams spend more time very close to the paint with their sticks in the passing lanes. As we move the puck, which we do well, the pucks are deflected or stopped as they go side to side. We don’t have one time shooters, the shooters who can pick spots to make the defense open up some to try to stop those shots and we don’t have shooters who will go to the dirty areas to corral rebounds.

Our PK turning to dogshit had way more to do with it than our wimpy PP. Plus if there's 4 other guys out there doing nothing, not much he can do alone to turn it around. Our whole offense went inept, EK couldn't turn that around alone either (see SJS)

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Our PK turning to dogshit had way more to do with it than our wimpy PP. Plus if there's 4 other guys out there doing nothing, not much he can do alone to turn it around. Our whole offense went inept, EK couldn't turn that around alone either (see SJS)

What does our pk have to do with a 13% PP?

 

[Unsustainable]

To me it sounds like DW is offering a better deal than the Pens just to keep the Pens from getting him and dragging SJ on for the Meier situation

 

[WreckingCrew]

What does our pk have to do with a 13% PP?

BC our 74% PK resulted in way more GA than a slightly better PP would have resulted in GF

Can't place all the blame for a putrid PP on TDA, the whole team was failing. I get it didn't work out, but subtract TDA and it's not like it would have suddenly been better?

 

[Brock Anton]

To me it sounds like DW is offering a better deal than the Pens just to keep the Pens from getting him and dragging SJ on for the Meier situation

I mean, it shouldn’t be hard to offer a better deal than the Pens. They have nothing worth a damn to offer outside of future 1sts.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

BC our 74% PK resulted in way more GA than a slightly better PP would have resulted in GF

Can't place all the blame for a putrid PP on TDA, the whole team was failing

But again with TDA the PP wasn’t even good enough even if we had a good PK.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

for the 1st 41 games when TDA joined the Canes, the PP ran at 25.4%.
The final 41 games when TDA was on the Canes, the PP ran at 17.9%
the full season, the PP ran at 22%

The prior 3 years, before Tony joined the team, he PP ran at 21.4%

Other than a hot start when he first got here, I'm not sure how much his ability to move the puck was as beneficial to the PP as we think.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Plan A isn’t Karlsson.

Plan A isn’t DeAngelo.

Plan A is Anton ****ing Babchuk.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I mean, it shouldn’t be hard to offer a better deal than the Pens. They have nothing worth a damn to offer outside of future 1sts.

The future firsts, when you consider that the Pens could fall off the cliff at any moment, are insanely valuable. They're likely more valuable than anything Carolina could realistically offer without diving into the untouchable pile (Jarvis, Necas, Nikishin, and probably Morrow in this particular context). The problem is that for obvious reasons, Dubas doesn't want to touch those, but I wonder if the reason why Pittsburgh is so interested is because there is significant ownership pressure there to take one last swing at it.

 

[bobc222]

Except none of those guys are really that good at actually moving the puck on the PP, which TDA demonstrably is.

Orlov is seriously underrated in this regard. Playing with Carlson for so long didn't help.

 

[Svechhammer]

Honestly we should do a headfake on ek then be like nah we just wanted to waste your time. Sucks no?

Turnabout is fair play.

To me it sounds like DW is offering a better deal than the Pens just to keep the Pens from getting him and dragging SJ on for the Meier situation

As we f***ing should. Them stringing us a long like that and then asking Necas and Jarvis plus picks and prospects was bullshit and deserving of this kind of shithousery

 

[MinJaBen]

I struggle to see how we are not serious and are in this just to somehow get “revenge” on Grier…by bidding up his asset?

 

[Svechhammer]

I struggle to see how we are not serious and are in this just to somehow get “revenge” on Grier…by bidding up his asset?

Or just stringing him along and completely wasting his time while other bidders bail on the process

 

[MinJaBen]

Or just stringing him along and completely wasting his time while other bidders bail on the process

How does that work as revenge if they bail and then we are the trading partner by default? He still has us at our last offer.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

for the 1st 41 games when TDA joined the Canes, the PP ran at 25.4%.
The final 41 games when TDA was on the Canes, the PP ran at 17.9%
the full season, the PP ran at 22%

The prior 3 years, before Tony joined the team, he PP ran at 21.4%

Other than a hot start when he first got here, I'm not sure how much his ability to move the puck was as beneficial to the PP as we think.

Then for what other reason would they have even considered signing him?

 

[cptjeff]

How does that work as revenge if they bail and then we are the trading partner by default? He still has us at our last offer.

If our last offer doesn't work on SJ's end they just don't make the trade. Which has always been on the table here.

This isn't a situation where the Sharks are forced to do anything. Karlsson wants a chance to win and the Sharks want a big return knowing they're aways out from contention, but it's still by all accounts an amicable relationship. Karlsson is still perfectly happy playing in SJ and Grier is happy to have him on the team. If he gets easier to move at the deadline or next year after the cap goes up, neither party really has a problem doing that. So while there's a great asset on the market, this isn't a trade or else kind of deal. If there's no trade to be had, and it's looking a lot like that's going to be the case, everyone shrugs and goes home.