GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

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DaveG

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Sounds like Dundon killed the TDA trade


Like the last guy, believe it when I see it from something national. From an Occam's Razor perspective what's more likely:
1 - the Hurricanes are in heavily on acquiring EK, those trade talks are taking longer than expected, and the buyout happened because this was Philly's only opportunity to do so or risk having a guy they don't want on the books all season at 5m if the Hurricanes are EK's choice.
2 - Tom Dundon nixed the trade despite having had him on the team before and was willing to re-sign because... reasons
 
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Lempo

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2 - Tom Dundon nixed the trade despite having had him on the team before and was willing to re-sign because... reasons
The league throwing the book at you while celebrating the championship by a $100M team is good enough reason to steer way from anything that the league already had an issue with and can easily be projected to have further issues with.

VAR and PHI had the TDA trade agreed and in place before a year was up. Them waiting the technical 366 days to execute it to fulfill the letter of law wouldn't make it okay in the eyes of people who want it to be not okay.
 

DaveG

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The league throwing the book at you while celebrating the championship by a $100M team is good enough reason to steer way from anything that the league already had an issue with and can easily be projected to have further issues with.

VAR and PHI had the TDA trade agreed and in place before a year was up. Them waiting the technical 366 days to execute it to fulfill the letter of law wouldn't make it okay in the eyes of people who want it to be not okay.
Fair. I'd still be saying it's due to us being in on EK but the league's inconsistency on what rules it actually wants to enforce and by God will it enforce them is a valid counter.
 

Lempo

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Fair. I'd still be saying it's due to us being in on EK but the league's inconsistency on what rules it actually wants to enforce and by God will it enforce them is a valid counter.
To elaborate, I think there have been/are two separate juridical questions in the play:

1) Can CAR and PHI do the TDA trade prior to Jul 9th so that it is legal and can be registered by the NHL central registry?
- No. It is a variation of that A-to-B-to-A trade with retention which is explicitly prohibited in the CBA.

2) Can CAR and PHI finalize their pre-agreed trade only after July 9th and not be investigated and punished for cap circumvention against the spirit of the aforementioned CBA?
- Probably not, it is likely they will get harshly penalized for cap circumvention.

I think they have only discussed the question 1 in public. CAR and PHI would have to first actually do the trade only after which the league would drop like a ton of bricks on the question 2.
 
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LakeLivin

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Like the last guy, believe it when I see it from something national. From an Occam's Razor perspective what's more likely:
1 - the Hurricanes are in heavily on acquiring EK, those trade talks are taking longer than expected, and the buyout happened because this was Philly's only opportunity to do so or risk having a guy they don't want on the books all season at 5m if the Hurricanes are EK's choice.
2 - Tom Dundon nixed the trade despite having had him on the team before and was willing to re-sign because... reasons

Also not likely, but given that the Borg can be unpredictable: any chance that the Pesce door may have reopened a crack?
 

TheReelChuckFletcher

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I mean, Karlsson has all of the makings of an old-fashioned cap dump when you consider that almost no one has cap space except the Canes and the other main suitor, the Pens, has several albatross cap hits. This whole EK situation feels like a waiting game from Grier to see if they can extract a golden 2025 or 2026 1st from Pittsburgh in exchange for said albatrosses. If Dubas isn't willing to do that, I genuinely think that the Canes have a shot at a bargain.
 

htdoc

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So in other words, making this all up in my head and totally guessing what it all means……….Grier is holding a grudge that he was made to look bad because he gave Burns away for free and instead of Burns declining and being a dead weight contract for us, he was productive and a good teammate…all while being partially paid for by SJ for 3 years…

now Grier is staring at a retention spot being already being used for us and a few million dead cap already because we took Burns off his hands for what he originally offered and he is bothered by the optics of having 2 of his retention spots and even more dead cap money being tied up paying for players on our team… or ownership of SJ is forcing Griers hand because they don’t like to see that they are paying for two of the players on our team….or He doesn’t want to see the reputation build that Waddell beat him in another trade if he lets Karlsson go for market value to us..… so even if our offer is plenty reasonable for what this situation really is (not only is it a cap dump to help speed their rebuild by opening up space he can use to sign different players in his image of what he wants the team to be instead of the old SJ… instead of having to wait 4 more years to clear Karlsson off the books, who is definitely more than a zero percent chance to regress or be reinjured or have health issues again…. But this Is also doing what the player who has a full no move clause has asked for… they asked for the trade to a contender and his reputation for taking care of his players is also on the line here for future free agency and contract negotiations as he doesn’t want the rep of being someone that did a player wrong …. So he can’t just wait until the trade deadline… it feels like it has to happen this summer if it’s going to happen as he doesn’t want the whole risk of Karlsson starting the season without his request being honored and he plays worse as a result…. This is the most value he is likely going to get for this particular situation)… so even with us being on Karlssons list of teams and assuming we have made a fair offer, he can’t let us be seen as winning a trade again so early in his GM position and career…. So he is desperately trying to play the angles to sweeten the pot from anyone else on Karlssons list, especially Pitt… so even if our offer may actually be the best one again, he is just trying to get Pitt to a point where he can stomach letting Karlsson go there…

you could argue if the rumors were correct this is what he did with Meier… sure Meier may have wanted to go to NJ, but we were willing to take him without an extension and rumors being true, offered the most in the deal.. unlike Meier, Karlsson supposedly gave SJ a list of teams he would accept a trade to and we were on it…. So slightly different situation…. But might be a second situation where we offer market value and even better than the other team but more to it and the SJ GM feeling we have to overpay to make up for the last spanking he took on the Burns deal, even though no one else would have done the same last year and we simply used our cap management to best effect and helped Grier start to put his own stamp on the team by removing one of the anchor long term contracts that he inherited….
 
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Brock Anton

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FTR, I listed to a bit of that pod and Peng was pretty adamant that EK isn’t as valuable as SJ fans want to think (which coming from an SJ source is telling). Reading between the lines, it feels like he was talking about a scenario where Grier is just waiting for a bidding war that’s never going to arrive.

In his hypothetical CAR proposal it was EK at 40% retained for TT, Drury, lottery protected 1st and a 3rd. I’d do that in a heartbeat.
 

Chrispy

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I think we are overthinking this. Carolina likes value/bargain deals and always has under this management group. If EK is available on a value deal, they'll consider it. If not, they'll move on. I doubt this has anything to do with the Burns deal or Meier trade.
And the only thing they like less than paying full price is seeing someone else get a bargain they could have had.

If they get Pitt to pay more so EK isn’t such a bargain, thats a win in their mind.
 

Nikishin Go Boom

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And the only thing they like less than paying full price is seeing someone else get a bargain they could have had.

If they get Pitt to pay more so EK isn’t such a bargain, thats a win in their mind.
If we “let Pittsburgh out-bid us” then a bargain is still to be had. Pittsburgh has nothing to give except bad 1sts.
 
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