GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[LostInaLostWorld]

Peesh deserves the best deal he can get. Wish him the best. But damn...

 

[Sigurd]

The way some of the fans in our fan base get super attached to players kind of annoys me at times but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a family member connect with the fans like he has. At the end of the day it is a business but it does kinda tug at the heart strings a tad when you see something like that.

Agreed.

The standing O he gets on his first game back is going to be legendary. He's been here through thick and thin. Been here for a long time. And now the arena is pretty damn full every night. Hope I can find tickets to the game

Agreed.

I don’t blame either side if this is really the end of Pesce in Raleigh.

Fully understand why he wants a big, long-term deal and I fully understand why the team isn’t very interested in doing so.

And agreed.

Even if Pesce is traded, he's gonna be in the Hurricanes hockey hall of fame one day. He was with us during the rough times, and the good times; the guy has been a trooper for us.

I wish him all the best whatever happens. He's a great player, and he seems like a great person too.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Agreed.

Agreed.

And agreed.

Even if Pesce is traded, he's gonna be in the Hurricanes hockey hall of fame one day. He was with us during the rough times, and the good times; the guy has been a trooper for us.

I wish him all the best whatever happens. He's a great player, and he seems like a great person too.

A skater who has played 557 games with the team isn’t really HOF worthy

 

[elitepete]

Would you guys be interested in something around Boeser (retained) for Pesce?

How about Pesce for Lekkerimaki?

 

[Derailed75]

A skater who has played 557 games with the team isn’t really HOF worthy

He's not just a skater. He's a damn good defensive defenseman that goi g to be hard to replace. Also wherever he winds up I think we will find hes much better then he's given credit for because he's over shadowed, rightfully so by Slavin

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A skater who has played 557 games with the team isn’t really HOF worthy

Ron Francis played 552 games with the Hurricanes. I realize he also played with the Whalers, but this isn't a Whaler HOF.

I'm not saying Pesce deserves to be there, but games played shouldn't be the sole arbiter.

 

[spockBokk]

Trying to think realistically what a return for Pesce from Nashville looks like…

If they’re planning on using the acquired assets to flip for Karlsson, then Fabbro + is likely the return. With the + perhaps being made up of the Tampa 2025 1st and/or a mix of the 3 2nds the Preds have next year.

If they’re just trading Pesce for futures, I think Askarov and the Preds’ 2024 1st are likely off limits, maybe Tomasino +? L’Heaureax +? Or a package of the Tampa 1st and the 2nds mentioned earlier?

OR…

Wait for it…

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and Toronto burns

or some random mystery team that trades an equivalent forward for him out of nowhere…

 

[robbieberns]

Brett Pesce is a top 10 Hurricanes as things stand no questions asked. He entered the league seven and a half years ago as a solid top 4 defenseman and has solidified himself as a top 50 d man in the league since then. On top of that, think about the culture he has both massively contributed to and done a model job exemplifying.

As other people have said, business is indeed business, and the potential for a Seabrook style worst case scenario following a max term deal is why we’re all ok moving on in the end, but both the on ice loss as well as the cornerstone locker room loss will undoubtedly be felt by all.

 

[dogbazinho]

The fact that Nylander wasn't returned for Pesce like 5 years ago or whenever he held out makes me think that franchise is completely disinterested in Pesce or making any maneuvers at sacrificing one of their "core" for defensive help. It's really just an obvious move IMO.

EK meh. I'd be kind of disappointed if we had to add to a Pesce return to add EK. In 2 years we've basically lost everything we've gained. I suppose that's slightly better than having Pesce walk end of year.

The only other area of concern for me is PK. That's going to suuuuuuuuuuuuuck

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Ron Francis played 552 games with the Hurricanes. I realize he also played with the Whalers, but this isn't a Whaler HOF.

I'm not saying Pesce deserves to be there, but games played shouldn't be the sole arbiter.

When pesce hasn’t accomplished much else, games is all we can go off of. Francis is an actual hall of famer, captain of our SCF team, and an owner of a lot of franchise records. Unless pesce plays until he is 45 or starts doubling his typical point totals, he will not be a HHOFer. So it’s hardly a fair comparison.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

When pesce hasn’t accomplished much else, games is all we can go off of. Francis is an actual hall of famer too. Unless pesce plays until he is 45 or starts doubling his typical point totals, he will not be a HHOFer. So it’s hardly a fair comparison.

Sure, but that's not what you said, nor what I was objecting to. If you had said that Pesce hasn't accomplished enough or had a big enough impact and hasn't had the longevity, I would have responded (and agree). I was only commenting on your comment about not enough games. that said, I don't think longevity alone should ever be the bar for HOF.

For instance, Slavin has played a similar number of games and IMO, and if he wasn't a Cane tomorrow, would have a much better case for the Canes HOF.

As for your comment about Francis is an actual HOFer. That's because of his time in Hartford and Pittsburgh where he was elite. He was good, but not elite in Carolina.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I'm not a small hall type for the real hall or team halls I suppose by extension. I don't know that I would personally consider Pesce a slam dunk Canes HOFer but I wouldn't grouse over it. He's been a very good player for the Canes for a good while.

 

[Derailed75]

When pesce hasn’t accomplished much else, games is all we can go off of. Francis is an actual hall of famer, captain of our SCF team, and an owner of a lot of franchise records. Unless pesce plays until he is 45 or starts doubling his typical point totals, he will not be a HHOFer. So it’s hardly a fair comparison.

Do you actually watch the games? There's a lot more to hockey then goals and assists

Do you actually watch the games? There's a lot more to hockey then goals and assists

Also I dont mean Hockey HoF. Yeah he ain't making that im talking about Canes HoF and yes without question he is one of the best Canes of all time

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Do you actually watch the games? There's a lot more to hockey then goals and assists


Also I dont mean Hockey HoF. Yeah he ain't making that im talking about Canes HoF and yes without question he is one of the best Canes of all time

Lolz, do i watch the games. Getting into the Canes HOF is more than 8 years of being a solid nhl defender. If it isn’t then we should just give out a participation trophy at this point. HOF, Carolina or not, is meant for franchise altering players. Pesce isnt that especially after, likely, only playing 8 seasons with a lack of significant leadership, cup, or gaudy stats. Pesce is a nice player and im glad i got to route for him. He is just a solid player though.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Pesce is one of those players you miss when he's gone even though it's maybe for the best on both sides. He made good defensive plays with regularity, and I think at times was judged a little too harshly. Maybe due to being sort of in Slavin's shadow his entire time here. He's still one of the better defensive defenseman in the league, IMO.

 

[Svechhammer]

Pesce is one of those players you miss when he's gone even though it's maybe for the best on both sides. He made good defensive plays with regularity, and I think at times was judged a little too harshly. Maybe due to being sort of in Slavin's shadow his entire time here. He's still one of the better defensive defenseman in the league, IMO.

I am going to miss him

I also know that we cannot keep him and Slavin long term and we were goddamn fortunate to have them as long as we did, but damn, I wish we could

 

[dogbazinho]

Pesce is one of those players you miss when he's gone even though it's maybe for the best on both sides. He made good defensive plays with regularity, and I think at times was judged a little too harshly. Maybe due to being sort of in Slavin's shadow his entire time here. He's still one of the better defensive defenseman in the league, IMO.

I def think Slavin being here overshadows Pesce's contributions. I also think it makes it a challenge, as neither contributes to a PP and I think that's difficult when half your top 4 is worthless on your powerplay. He'll be a huge add for some lucky team.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Here's the criteria from the Canes HOF site:

Players

Skaters who have played at least 250 games with the Hurricanes

Goaltenders who have played at least 100 games with the Hurricanes

Any skaters or goaltenders who have won the Stanley Cup or other major NHL awards during their tenure with the Hurricanes (I'm assuming this part isn't mandatory but just makes one eligible even if they didn't meet the games played threshold, but it's unclear)

Demonstrate exceptional attributes in the areas of playing ability, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the Hurricanes

Must not have played in a professional or international game during the season prior to their election

I think you can easily argue Pesce by that criteria even if as I said he's maybe not a slam dunk in my mind. To act like it's a joke to consider it is silly. And it kinda is a high level participation trophy and popularity contest. It's just something for the fans to enjoy the history of the team and recognize great franchise players. Why so serious?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Why have something at all when you have made the accomplishment cheap because the criteria is easy?

 

[A Star is Burns]

Why have something at all when you have made the accomplishment cheap because the criteria is easy?

Perhaps a targeted attempt to annoy you

 

[The Faulker 27]

Who gives AF about the HOF and whether he should or shouldn't be. Jesus Christ.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Who gives AF is someone gives AF? Jesus Christ

 

[Borsig]

Well this sucks. I don't know what the fascination with defense swapping and EK is. We need a scoring threat and a 2c. But whatver.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

With luck, this team will be here a long time and this is just one of many competitive groups of players.

There's going to be a lot of Brett Pesces in those groups. Excellent journeymen, maybe not elite but indispensable to a solid core.

For me it's only Aho and Slavin from this group.

 

[chaz4hockey]

How about Pesce for Lekkerimaki?

Cane fans think very highly of Pesce’s play and thus focus on your high quality assets not the second tier. Pesce would have to be a piece in an EP trade.