GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[NotOpie]

By my count we have 12 forwards, 7 defenders, and 3 goalies under contract. Assuming DeAngelo's deal still happens, that's one less than the magic #23 players. We can bury both Coghlan and Kochetkov, saving us around $2 million. Without any moves with the current roster we have $3.3 million of cap space. TDA addition leaves us with about $800K. Unless WLOG, moves must be made.

Given no AHL link, I'm guessing we run 13 forwards and 7 defenders all season. We could conceivably run 3 goal tenders as well (although I'm not sure how that rotation would work; but less games each is less chance for injury, but likely less sharpness, especially from Kochetkov).

It feels like there's still a bit of work to be done.

 

[BabchukCanon]

I’m still curious to know will you guys want to acquire both TDA and Karlsson or just one

After getting Orlov I have no desire for TDA, but that's me. Unless we can flip Pesce or Skjei into something fantastic then I'd rather run our Legion of D and go from there.

 

[spockBokk]

Add Svechnikov‘s $7m back in. He’s on LTIR on CapFriendly I think.

That’s with Svechnikov included.

He’s on IR on CapFriendly, not LTIR. His cap hit is automatically included by being on IR vs LTIR.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Can we change the title from "Madness" to "Maddening".

 

[jiitu]

If TDA comes, I definitely hope not to proceed with EK, but leave the space for trade deadline additions or simply to simplify the future year cap-position with all needed signings

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

That’s with Svechnikov included.

He’s on IR on CapFriendly, not LTIR. His cap hit is automatically included by being on IR vs LTIR.

Yep, you and BBA are right, my mistake.

How the hell do we have that much cap room then? Are you pretending we’ve shipped off both Skjei and Pesce for picks?

 

[spockBokk]

Yep, you and BBA are right, my mistake.

How the hell do we have that much cap room then? Are you pretending we’ve shipped off both Skjei and Pesce for picks?

Nope, that’s just with Pesce being shipped out and not taking back any other salary in a potential trade.

They’d have close to $6M you sent down one of Ponomarev or Coghlan, but I figured they’d carry extra bodies this year with no AHL affiliate.

 

[SvechneJerk]

Nope, that’s just with Pesce being shipped out and not taking back any other salary in a potential trade.

They’d have close to $6M you sent down one of Ponomarev or Coghlan, but I figured they’d carry extra bodies this year with no AHL affiliate.

I’m definitely interested to see what we have in both Pono & Rees.

 

[Svechhammer]

I dunno I still think that if Pesce is traded, we need to be bringing in a high end top line forward. Pesce for Karlsson would definitely overload the defense but the forwards will still be lacking when looking into the playoffs

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I was just driving over to the mailboxes and Gold had RBA on. I didn't catch most of it but Gold asked about playing Necas at C. Rod hemmed and hawed a bit, and didn't rule it out, but his view is clearly he likes the dynamic aspect of Necas's speed and thinks he's more effective overall as a player and for the team on the wing. He said "we'll see" and didn't rule it out, but you could tell he felt Necas was better off on the wing.

I agree with that personally. Necas's defensive play isn't where it needs to be to play C and I like having his speed on the wing.

Rod also talked about adding another forward and said (Either Tom or Don, it wasn't clear) was working very hard, even calling Rod on the 4th of July, trying to make the team better. I thought he said "Tom" as he commented about how he wants to win and make the team better, although I assume that is working with Waddell and Tulsky.

I'll have to catch the replay later when it's available as that's all I was in the car for.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Dreger made a comment on his podcast about how active Dundon was at the draft, talking to agents and general managers. He called him the de facto general manager.

~21:20

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Dreger made a comment on his podcast about how active Dundon was at the draft, talking to agents and general managers. He called him the de facto general manager.

~21:20

Thanks for sharing. It's a good listen from 21:20 on.

LOL, when Ray is commenting about how Carolina doesn't like long deals (for non-star/young players), he gives the example of Engvall and Mayfield getting 7 years. They called it "shocking" and "stunning". Dreger says "When we saw Engvall and Mayfield come across at 7 years, we all thought it was a burner account"

 

[Stickpucker]

Tarasenko....the guy sounds...mercurial at best. I was for having him at a 1 yr lowish rate....but as others mentioned he already has his cup. What is his motivation for coming here? He is friends with Orlov but the whole fiasco with him doesn't seem worth the effort at this point.

EK...man he'd be insane and would look good next to Slavin or Orlov....but I'm not interested in spending much of anything to get him. His contract alone makes him worth wayyy less imo.

I still think we need 1 or 2 forwards.

I'd do Pesce + for Nylander
Skjei for stuff
Stuff + more Stuff for Lindholm (his 4m will be easy to fit in)
Offer Sheet Bouchard (a high potential 23 yr old RD....yes please) OR Sign Caleb Jones

call it a day.

Nylander Aho Svech
Bunting Lindholm Necas
Jarvis KK TT
Marty Staal Fast

Slavin Burns
Orlov Bouchard
Jones TDA

Not sure what to do with Chatfield but I think Bouchard would big a nice upgrade on Chatfield.

That is a lineup I think can win the cup.

 

[Brock Anton]

That makes zero sense…

they have to acquire assets? We have all our draft picks and if our prospect rating write up in another thread is to be believed, have 28+ prospects that are viewed as being possible legit nhl players who could play a bit…

now if there were specific players on other teams that San Jose want over all of the assets we have in our system and under our control such that we have to trade for those players belonging to other teams so they can be sent to SJ and we need to trade Pesce to acquire those players, then say that…. Instead the text reads like we dont have a first round draft pick until 2027 like many other teams and are similar to Boston with our prospect pool…

It’s probably more likely that Pesce doesn’t want to go to San Jose instead of the Sharks not liking what we have in terms of “assets”.

Would make sense as to why the Nashville rumors popped up again.

 

[bleedgreen]

Tarasenko....the guy sounds...mercurial at best. I was for having him at a 1 yr lowish rate....but as others mentioned he already has his cup. What is his motivation for coming here? He is friends with Orlov but the whole fiasco with him doesn't seem worth the effort at this point.

EK...man he'd be insane and would look good next to Slavin or Orlov....but I'm not interested in spending much of anything to get him. His contract alone makes him worth wayyy less imo.

I still think we need 1 or 2 forwards.

I'd do Pesce + for Nylander
Skjei for stuff
Stuff + more Stuff for Lindholm (his 4m will be easy to fit in)
Offer Sheet Bouchard (a high potential 23 yr old RD....yes please) OR Sign Caleb Jones

call it a day.

Nylander Aho Svech
Bunting Lindholm Necas
Jarvis KK TT
Marty Staal Fast

Slavin Burns
Orlov Bouchard
Jones TDA

Not sure what to do with Chatfield but I think Bouchard would big a nice upgrade on Chatfield.

That is a lineup I think can win the cup.

I haven’t said it but I’ve gotten the feeling over the last few years that Tarasenko has some diva in him. I read and followed the whole situation through his shoulder injuries and at some point it started having a vibe I didn’t really want for us. That’s why I’m somewhere between indifferent to pleased that we haven’t gotten him yet.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Any player that spurns the Canes has serious problems to begin with, so we never really wanted them.

 

[bleedgreen]

Any player that spurns the Canes has serious problems to begin with, so we never really wanted them.

Lol I’m never that guy!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Lol I’m never that guy!

Oh, I wasn't aiming it at your comment. Just making light of the situation that we're supposedly "in" on everyone.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I haven’t said it but I’ve gotten the feeling over the last few years that Tarasenko has some diva in him. I read and followed the whole situation through his shoulder injuries and at some point it started having a vibe I didn’t really want for us. That’s why I’m somewhere between indifferent to pleased that we haven’t gotten him yet.

Definitely.

At this point in our contention window, it's tempting to "New York Rangers" it and sign a big name just because he's a big name and we can. The character of a player, their tenacity, and fit with the team are still of paramount importance. It's possible at the end of the day, a player like Jesper Fast is more pivotal for getting playoff wins than Vladimir Tarasenko. Perhaps a stretch, but my point is you can't evaluate Tarasenko based on how he scored goals in juniors. It has to be a cold calculation of the 2023-2024 Tarasenko, which is probably a 20-25G, 50 point scorer with negative defensive contribution. If we can get that player for 1 year, $4M, it's a no brainer. Any higher than $5M makes it a more questionable asset for me.

I agree with others in this thread who have said that acquiring the elite offensive talents of Karlsson is probably the least cost-intensive way of acquiring scoring talent on the team, since his trade value would be reduced by his contract. The four year term is extremely risky. It's 100% the kind of move that could push the team towards a cup or blow the window.

 

[SvechneJerk]

It’s probably more likely that Pesce doesn’t want to go to San Jose instead of the Sharks not liking what we have in terms of “assets”.

Would make sense as to why the Nashville rumors popped up again.

Dreger says in the podcast that @Big Daddy Cane posted above that Pesce would have to waive for SJ because they're on his No-Trade list (about the 25:20 mark).

 

[bleedgreen]

Definitely.

At this point in our contention window, it's tempting to "New York Rangers" it and sign a big name just because he's a big name and we can. The character of a player, their tenacity, and fit with the team are still of paramount importance. It's possible at the end of the day, a player like Jesper Fast is more pivotal for getting playoff wins than Vladimir Tarasenko. Perhaps a stretch, but my point is you can't evaluate Tarasenko based on how he scored goals in juniors. It has to be a cold calculation of the 2023-2024 Tarasenko, which is probably a 20-25G, 50 point scorer with negative defensive contribution. If we can get that player for 1 year, $4M, it's a no brainer. Any higher than $5M makes it a more questionable asset for me.

I agree with others in this thread who have said that acquiring the elite offensive talents of Karlsson is probably the least cost-intensive way of acquiring scoring talent on the team, since his trade value would be reduced by his contract. The four year term is extremely risky. It's 100% the kind of move that could push the team towards a cup or blow the window.

Burns and Karlsson in our top four is about as risky as it gets. Either could get hurt at any time and really questionable to get back and it’s kind of getting away from the really strong defensive approach. I could see adding a RD to take Pesce’s spot who was mildly more offensive minded without giving up too much D…..but that’s not Karlsson.

Still Karlsson is a legit game breaker when he’s healthy and that’s something we don’t have much of.

 

[robbieberns]

Is today not the TDA deadline passing? Will we start seeing all the dominos start tipping over soon?

 

[Brock Anton]

Dreger says in the podcast that @Big Daddy Cane posted above that Pesce would have to waive for SJ because they're on his No-Trade list (about the 25:20 mark).

So if we're truly aiming to get Karlsson, moving Pesce for pieces that please SJ is likely the hold-up and if/when that happens, the EK move shouldn't be too far behind.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Is today not the TDA deadline passing? Will we start seeing all the dominos start tipping over soon?

July 9th is the day we can acquire him

 

[Brock Anton]

July 9th is the day we can acquire him

On July 7th it's illegal cap circumvention, but on July 9th, it's completely legal and not shady anymore.

Gotta love it.