GDT: Let the Free Agency Madness begin

[Borsig]

EK is too expensive

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Can I just say, I have mixed feelings about acquiring Karlsson if it requires assets.

Dude won the Norris last year... and was basically considered an unmovable asset 8 months before that. 4 years left even at 50% retained is still a risk to take on. A risk I'm willing to take, but if we're also talking about a king's ransom worthy of acquiring a Norris trophy winner... that changes the equation a bit. I'm surprised to see the type of return packages I'm seeing from a "mock trade" perspective. I don't think it should take a good roster player, a 1st, a prospect, a 2nd, etc. I would've hoped this was more of a net neutral cap dump situation. If we need to add in order to get the retention, I get it. But even then, it should probably cost less than or equal to whatever a return for Pesce would look like. Idk. Mixed feelings. All dependent on which Karlsson we get at the end of the day, of course.

 

[Daeavorn]

The front office probably determined that the easiest way for us to add scoring is with Karlsson.

It's a risky acquisition, but it fits with our Mo. He is a slightly distressed asset that we can get. It's probably going to end up being him over a forward.

 

[bleedgreen]

It should Pesce and really not much of anything else. They can move him on if they want futures, then they can get the specific futures they want. I wouldn’t wait for the deadline if I was them, Pesce is going to take a beating on that team so I’d move him now.

Personally I don’t think it should even cost Pesce but sometimes you gotta give. If this is becoming a circus or was one the whole time just get out. We don’t need Karlsson. I’d like us to have a little more Vegas in us but this is a pretty big change for this team.

 

[spockBokk]

Pagnotta saying they had the press release ready for Tarasenko lends some credence to the thought that the agent was perhaps doing a bit too much for the player and got fired for basically agreeing to a deal prior to getting the player’s buy in.

I bet the holdup with Nashville is that they want to include Fabbro or similar salary coming back and the Canes just want futures to flip for Karlsson or another player.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

This is also an interesting situation in that I think if we get EK, then 2 defensemen will be dealt. No way they see Chatty as healthy scratch material.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Personally I don’t think it should even cost Pesce but sometimes you gotta give. If this is becoming a circus or was one the whole time just get out. We don’t need Karlsson. I’d like us to have a little more Vegas in us but this is a pretty big change for this team.

Big change for the team on the ice? Meh, maybe. (If we acquire him, I’d say hopefully, in a big way.)

Big change for the cap situation of the team moving forward leading into one of the most important offseasons this team is ever going to have (next offseason)? Yes. Big time.

 

[MinJaBen]

Pagnotta saying they had the press release ready for Tarasenko lends some credence to the thought that the agent was perhaps doing a bit too much for the player and got fired for basically agreeing to a deal prior to getting the player’s buy in.

I bet the holdup with Nashville is that they want to include Fabbro or similar salary coming back and the Canes just want futures to flip for Karlsson or another player.

Fabbro would be a good piece to flip to the Sharks as part of the deal. But I think you would have to make this a three way instead of taking the risk of two separate deals in series and then have the second part fall through.

 

[Justicebork]

Hey what's going on with the Aho extension you guys remember Aho he needs extending

 

[AD Skinner]

Are the canes really going to be THAT much better adding karlsson and subtracting Pesce+ whatever else they give up? I guess if Pesce leaving is a foregone conclusion they want to maximize the opportunity but if karlsson plays like he did in the last few years instead of this most recent one I’m not sure we are in a better position

 

[htdoc]

Are the canes really going to be THAT much better adding karlsson and subtracting Pesce+ whatever else they give up? I guess if Pesce leaving is a foregone conclusion they want to maximize the opportunity but if karlsson plays like he did in the last few years instead of this most recent one I’m not sure we are in a better position

They are two separate things but one is driving the other.

It's seemingly become a foregone conclusion that Pesce isn't extending here unless something changes between our offer and pesce ask... one can only assume that he wants too many years at too much money for the team. So since the team holds firm on these things it may go the way of Hamilton and we don't want to let him walk for nothing.

If we have to trade him before next year then we need a replacement. Thus looking at Karlsson. They are not the same player for sure. But if they get enough retention, the team seems to think 4 years of Karlsson is a preferred option to 8 years of Pesce.

We will have to get our shut down defense in a different way if Pesce goes. We certainly will change the type of dman playing in the #3/#4 slot second pairing.

 

[spockBokk]

Pesce is the “easiest” to trade. Easiest being in quotation marks as evidently it’s not that easy to trade him, seems like they’ve been it at for the past 2wks.

Outside of the contract impasse, I imagine he’s also on the block due to the number of righties they have currently - Burns, DeAngelo, Chatfield and Coghlan, potentially adding Karlsson to that mix as well. It makes more sense to hold onto Skjei in that context, even as an own-rental.

 

[MinJaBen]

Pesce Skjei was an excellent pairing last year. Orlov Karlsson could be an excellent pairing this year, but in a different kind of way.

I think the Pesce/Karlsson/Orlov maneuvering is all about the contract armageddon we were facing next year in total vs any one contract in particular. The organization is trying to get out in front of that and using the available players. They tried negotiating with Pesce and that didn't work to their satisfaction, so they are looking at UFAs and trades. Everything is on the table.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Can I just say, I have mixed feelings about acquiring Karlsson if it requires assets.

Dude won the Norris last year... and was basically considered an unmovable asset 8 months before. 4 years left even at 50% retained is still a risk to take on. A risk I'm willing to take, but if we're also talking about a king's ransom worthy of acquiring a Norris trophy winner... that changes the equation a bit. I'm surprised to see the type of return packages I'm seeing from a "mock trade" perspective. I don't think it should take a good roster player, a 1st, a prospect, a 2nd, etc. I would've hoped this was more of a net neutral cap dump situation. If we need to add in order to get the retention, I get it. But even then, it should probably cost less than or equal to whatever a return for Pesce would look like. Idk. Mixed feelings. All dependent on which Karlsson we get at the end of the day, of course.

Yea, if he comes really cheap or for minor assets, WITH 50% RETENTION? I'm all for it. If it's going to cost us real assets to acquire a player who would be a luxury we really don't need? Hard pass, use those assets on a scoring forward that we've been crying we needed for years. And again, with Orlov as 2LD and Nikishin 2 years away from potentially replacing him, Skjei should be the one to go first.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So our subtractions:

A 6/7 defenseman who didn't play in the playoffs.
A defensemen on LTIR
A 6th defensemen who was a deadline pickup and didn't add much.
A forward who played 5 games (and left 2 early)
A deadline pickup with bum hips that played little and contributed even less
2 over the hill 4th liners.

 

[Daeavorn]

The last I heard the sharks were willing to retain about 3 million dollars. That's about 27% retainment. I think the canes are looking for at least 4 million retained .

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

So our subtractions:

A 6/7 defenseman who didn't play in the playoffs.
A defensemen on LTIR
A 6th defensemen who was a deadline pickup and didn't add much.
A forward who played 5 games (and left 2 early)
A deadline pickup with bum hips that played little and contributed even less
2 over the hill 4th liners.

Yeah but if you reverse the front office's draft floor strategy, you might be able to turn all of these into a 1st round pick.

 

[hblueridgegal]

 

[spockBokk]

IF they were expecting to add Tarasenko anywhere b/t $3-5M per year and Karlsson, they'd still have a heck of a lot of work to do.

W/ TDA added and a 22 man roster (Drury, Ponomarev and Coghlan up, Kochetkov buried), looks like they have them w/ $5.2M in space based on some crude CapFriendly-ing

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Im fairly anti acquiring Karlsson but if we do both our goalies and opposing goalies are going to say ‘efff, this could get rough’

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

IF they were expecting to add Tarasenko anywhere b/t $3-5M per year and Karlsson, they'd still have a heck of a lot of work to do.

W/ TDA added and a 22 man roster (Drury, Ponomarev and Coghlan up, Kochetkov buried), looks like they have them w/ $5.2M in space based on some crude CapFriendly-ing

Add Svechnikov‘s $7m back in. He’s on LTIR on CapFriendly I think.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I’m still curious to know will you guys want to acquire both TDA and Karlsson or just one

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I’m still curious to know will you guys want to acquire both TDA and Karlsson or just one

Me too

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Add Svechnikov‘s $7m back in. He’s on LTIR on CapFriendly I think.

I don't think that's right. He's on IR and his cap hit is counted for.

 

[DaveG]

I’m still curious to know will you guys want to acquire both TDA and Karlsson or just one

hoping just one (TDA) but would not be surprised if we get EK as well. Just seems redundant at this point and TDA comes at less than 1/4 EK's current hit since it's confirmed that the Flyers are retaining 50%. Not to mention the acquisition price is likely only a prospect we weren't signing anyway for TDA.