Leon Draisaitl 3rd 110+ point season in 4 years...

[spot]

Before i get into this let me preface this with the "not all Leafs fans" statement and it's true, there is a vocal minority that this post is about.

First, it's not an obsession, it's frustration at the Leafs fans delusions that Matthews is even remotely close to McDavid.

Mathews has broken 80 points exactly twice in his career, has one 50 (yes I know he got to 60) goal 100 point season. and is not even in the same ball park as McDavid. I don't need to list all the things McDavid has done to prove he's in a class well above Matthews.

And Draisaitl has 3 100 point seasons, 2 (very possibly 3) 50 goal seasons, the only active player not named Ovechkin to have multiple 50 goal/50 assist seasons in the NHL. and Matthews "incredible 60 goal season" beat Draisaitl by a whopping 5 goals.

Yet Leafs fans constantly yell to anyone who will listen that their superstar is better than Leon, and on the same tier as McDavid, then say "why are you obsessed with Matthews?" when Oilers fans throw facts at them that Matthews is not as good as either of them.

Matthews is the 2nd best player on his own team let alone on a tier with McDavid.

Oh, and "pace" argument is junk. If a player didn't hit it, regardless of his "pace" it didn't happen.

If you want to use the pace argument, this would be McDavid's 7th consecutive 100 point season, as he had 97 points in 63 games when the league shut down for covid, which would put him 2nd all time to Gretzky's 13 consecutive 100 point seasons.

Stop shoehorning Matthews somewhere he doesn't belong, just to make you feel better about your own insecurities about your "superstars". Everyone knows a portion of Leafs fans are still salty, and will always be that you lost the draft lottery and were somehow "robbed" of McDavid, and because of this you prop Matthews up to tell yourself, "it's not a big deal we didn't get McDavid, we got Matthews, and he's just as good!" That's where the true obsession/delusion lies.

Yikes, I think that I just fell in love with you. Great post, so bang on.

 

[OddManRush]

The guy who was just voted by his peers as the best *passer* in the league is also arguably the best goal scorer too. Draisaitl is just an insane talent

 

[notbias]

The most overrated player in the NHL. Puts up points, and is an okay 5v5 player, great PP guy though.

This board judges everything on points and nothing else.

Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is.

 

[spot]

Holy he is so overrated. A mix of Jagr and Thornton?! Lol

The guy makes a living off the PP playing with McDavid. Sure, powerplay is great and all, but far less predictive of ability than at even strength. At even strength is he no better than any other top player in the league, despite either playing wing with McDavid or getting easier matchups while McDavid does the heavy lifting.

Watch the guy actually and play and tell me he’s comparable to Jagr. Never seen a player do so little and still put up points.

From Toronto ladies and gentleman. Totally check out.

 

[MessierII]

The most overrated player in the NHL. Puts up points, and is an okay 5v5 player, great PP guy though.

2nd most even strength points over the past 5 seasons

 

[notbias]

2nd most even strength points over the past 5 seasons

He gets scored on a lot too.

 

[spot]

If Toronto called up asking for an Austin Mathews+ Justin Bieber trade for Brett Kissel and Leon Draisaitl I would hang up immediately.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The most overrated player in the NHL. Puts up points, and is an okay 5v5 player, great PP guy though.

This board judges everything on points and nothing else.

Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is.

How does one happen without the other?

If Player A has 3 points, all 3 on the PP, while his opponent outscores him 2-0 at 5on5, at the end of the day Player A's team still won 3-2. His production helped his team win that game. So why is the fact he scored all 3 on the PP held against him?

 

[North Cole]

The most overrated player in the NHL. Puts up points, and is an okay 5v5 player, great PP guy though.

This board judges everything on points and nothing else.

Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is.

Claims "Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is."

*Checks score*
Oilers won 4-3, that's interesting
*Checks Draisaitl's points*
Oh he had points on all of the goals, that's interesting. Wonder if there is a correlation here? Nope can't be, points don't win you games.

Lmao. Conversely this board also judges a lot on 5v5 and seemingly pretends that PP scoring does not have any kind of impact on winning games.

 

[notbias]

How does one happen without the other?

If Player A has 3 points, all 3 on the PP, while his opponent outscores him 2-0 at 5on5, at the end of the day Player A's team still won 3-2. His production helped his team win that game. So why is the fact he scored all 3 on the PP held against him?

he is an even player at 5v5 this year. He scores a lot on the PP.

Scoring on the PP has a lot of value, but I struggle to call him the second-best player in the world when the only time when he is on the ice that his team does better is at 5v4.

Also, scoring on the PP does not help the argument that he is a product of McDavid.

 

[notbias]

Claims Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is.

*Checks score*
"Oilers won 4-3, that's interesting"
*Checks Draisaitl's points*
"Oh he had points on all of the goals, that's interesting."

Lmao. Conversely this board also judges a lot on 5v5 and seemingly pretends that PP scoring does not have any kind of impact on winning games.

Claims Points are what wins you hockey games, not outscoring your opponent.

*Checks score*
"Oilers lost 4-3, that's interesting"
*Checks Draisaitl's points*
"Oh he had points on all of the goals, that's interesting, but was on the ice for all of them against."

There is more to hockey than just scoring points. Maybe if he had half-decent defense he would have fewer points because he'd be focusing on all three zones and not just one.

 

[ClydeLee]

Claims "Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is."

*Checks score*
Oilers won 4-3, that's interesting
*Checks Draisaitl's points*
Oh he had points on all of the goals, that's interesting. Wonder if there is a correlation here? Nope can't be, points don't win you games.

Lmao. Conversely this board also judges a lot on 5v5 and seemingly pretends that PP scoring does not have any kind of impact on winning games.

Beacuse long term success and playoff success is consistently tied to better 5on5 success than teams with elite pp success.

It's great to have the numbers and all. It's fun in this new scoring era to see many plus 100 pts guys again and not 1 a year. But it'll be a mold break to see it pan out in the ultimate goal.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Before i get into this let me preface this with the "not all Leafs fans" statement and it's true, there is a vocal minority that this post is about.

First, it's not an obsession, it's frustration at the Leafs fans delusions that Matthews is even remotely close to McDavid.

Mathews has broken 80 points exactly twice in his career, has one 50 (yes I know he got to 60) goal 100 point season. and is not even in the same ball park as McDavid. I don't need to list all the things McDavid has done to prove he's in a class well above Matthews.

And Draisaitl has 3 100 point seasons, 2 (very possibly 3) 50 goal seasons, the only active player not named Ovechkin to have multiple 50 goal/50 assist seasons in the NHL. and Matthews "incredible 60 goal season" beat Draisaitl by a whopping 5 goals.

Yet Leafs fans constantly yell to anyone who will listen that their superstar is better than Leon, and on the same tier as McDavid, then say "why are you obsessed with Matthews?" when Oilers fans throw facts at them that Matthews is not as good as either of them.

Matthews is the 2nd best player on his own team let alone on a tier with McDavid.

Oh, and "pace" argument is junk. If a player didn't hit it, regardless of his "pace" it didn't happen.

If you want to use the pace argument, this would be McDavid's 7th consecutive 100 point season, as he had 97 points in 63 games when the league shut down for covid, which would put him 2nd all time to Gretzky's 13 consecutive 100 point seasons.

Stop shoehorning Matthews somewhere he doesn't belong, just to make you feel better about your own insecurities about your "superstars". Everyone knows a portion of Leafs fans are still salty, and will always be that you lost the draft lottery and were somehow "robbed" of McDavid, and because of this you prop Matthews up to tell yourself, "it's not a big deal we didn't get McDavid, we got Matthews, and he's just as good!" That's where the true obsession/delusion lies.

This post should be stickied on the front page

The most overrated player in the NHL. Puts up points, and is an okay 5v5 player, great PP guy though.

This board judges everything on points and nothing else.

Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is.

Sad and desperate
What do Leafs fans know about winning? Lmfao

 

[Yackiberg8]

Lots of people don’t realize that Mcdavid also benefits playing with Drais. Does that make Mcdavid a product of Drais? Of course not, that’s also why it’s stupid to say Drais is a product of Mcdavid.

Anybody that watched an Oiler game could see this is not a Crosby/Kunitz case happening.

I don’t think anyone says either are a product of one another but if they are as good as everyone says they are then obviously playing together boosts their point totals…

 

[North Cole]

Claims Points are what wins you hockey games, not outscoring your opponent.

*Checks score*
"Oilers lost 4-3, that's interesting"
*Checks Draisaitl's points*
"Oh he had points on all of the goals, that's interesting, but was on the ice for all of them against."

There is more to hockey than just scoring points. Maybe if he had half-decent defense he would have fewer points because he'd be focusing on all three zones and not just one.

Can you point to which Arizona tap in from the blue paint was specifically his fault? Also can you point out how Drai had 4 points in a 4-3 loss? Lmao. That face when the hate blinds you from reality.

From what I can tell he was on the ice for 4 GF and 3 GA, thus outscored his opponent.

Beacuse long term success and playoff success is consistently tied to better 5on5 success than teams with elite pp success.

It's great to have the numbers and all. It's fun in this new scoring era to see many plus 100 pts guys again and not 1 a year. But it'll be a mold break to see it pan out in the ultimate goal.

Consistently tied to winning =/= PP merchant/points don't win you games

There's a fairly big gap between 5v5 being an important measurable and amount of derision that PP points are treated with. Somewhere in the middle is likely the answer for what wins you games and HF does not have that nuance.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Claims Points are what wins you hockey games, not outscoring your opponent.

*Checks score*
"Oilers lost 4-3, that's interesting"
*Checks Draisaitl's points*
"Oh he had points on all of the goals, that's interesting, but was on the ice for all of them against."

There is more to hockey than just scoring points. Maybe if he had half-decent defense he would have fewer points because he'd be focusing on all three zones and not just one.

The interesting part is that you can’t read a box score.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Before i get into this let me preface this with the "not all Leafs fans" statement and it's true, there is a vocal minority that this post is about.

First, it's not an obsession, it's frustration at the Leafs fans delusions that Matthews is even remotely close to McDavid.

Mathews has broken 80 points exactly twice in his career, has one 50 (yes I know he got to 60) goal 100 point season. and is not even in the same ball park as McDavid. I don't need to list all the things McDavid has done to prove he's in a class well above Matthews.

And Draisaitl has 3 100 point seasons, 2 (very possibly 3) 50 goal seasons, the only active player not named Ovechkin to have multiple 50 goal/50 assist seasons in the NHL. and Matthews "incredible 60 goal season" beat Draisaitl by a whopping 5 goals.

Yet Leafs fans constantly yell to anyone who will listen that their superstar is better than Leon, and on the same tier as McDavid, then say "why are you obsessed with Matthews?" when Oilers fans throw facts at them that Matthews is not as good as either of them.

Matthews is the 2nd best player on his own team let alone on a tier with McDavid.

Oh, and "pace" argument is junk. If a player didn't hit it, regardless of his "pace" it didn't happen.

If you want to use the pace argument, this would be McDavid's 7th consecutive 100 point season, as he had 97 points in 63 games when the league shut down for covid, which would put him 2nd all time to Gretzky's 13 consecutive 100 point seasons.

Stop shoehorning Matthews somewhere he doesn't belong, just to make you feel better about your own insecurities about your "superstars". Everyone knows a portion of Leafs fans are still salty, and will always be that you lost the draft lottery and were somehow "robbed" of McDavid, and because of this you prop Matthews up to tell yourself, "it's not a big deal we didn't get McDavid, we got Matthews, and he's just as good!" That's where the true obsession/delusion lies.

Nobody on the planet thinks Matthews or anyone else is better than McDavid. McDavid is clearly the best player in the world.

Posts like this are foolish claiming there are Leaf fans or anyone else saying otherwise. Matthews vs Draisaitl is clearly close and obviously Draisaitl’s numbers are boosted by playing with one of the best offensive players in the history of the sport.

 

[sepHF]

that pass to RNH last night on the tying goal was ridiculous

 

[Frank Drebin]

H

Clayton Keller has better 5v5 numbers this year than Draisaitl put congrats to him for putting up points against a team that's tanking I guess.

Cant even do that right

 

[PULSATING]

Seems like you almost know what it's like to be a Leafs fan. we get it from all teams all the time. dont believe me? go check out any Leafs thread. more fans from other teams than Leafs fans all giving it.
fans from other teams like to dish it but dont like to take it

Why are you crying about people being mean to leafs fans in a Leon Draisaitl thread lol

 

[Phil Kessels Hot Dog]

The most overrated player in the NHL. Puts up points, and is an okay 5v5 player, great PP guy though.

This board judges everything on points and nothing else.

Points are not what wins you hockey games, outscoring your opponent is.

Leon Draisaitl over the last 5 seasons is second in the league in points, outscoring third-place Nathan Mackinnon over that period by 84 points. All the while leading the league in goals, shooting a ridiculous 20% shooting percentage. Just to be clear, that's the player you consider to be the single most overrated player in the entire NHL?

 

[Coffey]

The Ariana grande conundrum

And now Jenna Ortega lol

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Why are you crying about people being mean to leafs fans in a Leon Draisaitl thread lol

because it felt suitable to bring up given what the person I replied to said?
I mean it was pretty obvious. was this a question you really had to ask?
I wouldn't call that crying either. why are the leafs even brought up in a Edmonton thread anyway?

 

[North Cole]

The interesting part is that you can’t read a box score.

Explains the rest of their "statistical" takes TBH

 

[VainGretzky]

Beacuse long term success and playoff success is consistently tied to better 5on5 success than teams with elite pp success.

It's great to have the numbers and all. It's fun in this new scoring era to see many plus 100 pts guys again and not 1 a year. But it'll be a mold break to see it pan out in the ultimate goal.

Draisaitl is third all-time in playoff PPG just slightly behind Lemieux Last season he had 22 Points even strength in 16 games some of these posts just blows my mind, and since when are goals against even strength put on one player, I don't know if the majority of these type of posts are a factor of the poster never watches the player or just thinks plus-minus is the most important stat in hockey this season Draisaitl has been on the Ice for 158 Goals for this season in all situations and 93 against the team has a net positive of plus 55 when Drai is on the ice