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Gliff said:
It had nothing tol do with keeping him fresh for later in the year. It was about allowing him to spend more time in the gym and for rest and recovery. Why is that so hard for people to understand? It was a strength and conditioning program.
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It did sound like he was banking on him to dominate in the second part.

Well, arguably Leo is having a horse-like season anyway (First year, 1st line, playing 20 mins).
But I could also imagine Pat hopes Carlsson to step up soon.
 
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Kalv said:


It did sound like he was banking on him to dominate in the second part.

Well, arguably Leo is having a horse-like season anyway (First year, 1st line, playing 20 mins).
But I could also imagine Pat hopes Carlsson to step up soon.
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We do need to temper our expectations of what an 18yo playing 1C with poor line mates can achieve. Henrique and Strome are not first line quality players.

It would be great for him to carry the team but what he has done so far is amazing.
 
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The Duck Knight said:
I would like to agree with this but he had his best year with Getzlaf.
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Getzlaf did a lot of the heavy lifting back then. Never got the credit he deserved IMO.

I think it's really more of a Terry problem. He just needs to make quicker decisions. Every time he gets the puck I feel like he's thinking too much about what play to make.
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Maybe. Or it's the coaching.
 
Rasp said:
We do need to temper our expectations of what an 18yo playing 1C with poor line mates can achieve. Henrique and Strome are not first line quality players.

It would be great for him to carry the team but what he has done so far is amazing.
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Absolutely. But also, I don't think he looks much better if at all, than he did at the start of the year. Perhaps I had a wrong perception based on Pat's quotes, but in me also there is a part that was expecting him to be even better. Of course, there is also a part of me that is absolutely in awe of what he's doing so far. I kind of relate with both sides.
 
AngelDuck said:
He's ahead of where Elias Pettersson (a multi-time 100+ point NHL scorer) was at the same age.

Let that sink in
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He's playing at a shade under a 50 point pace on a bad team (49.2ppg).

Some other 18 year old rookies in NHL history:

Messier 75gp 33p (36 point pace)
Barkov 54gp 24p (36 point pace)
Pastrnak 46gp 27p (48 pt pace)
J. Hughes 61gp 21p (28 pt pace)
J. Thornton 55gp 7p (10 pt pace)

18 year olds having a barn burning rookie year is not common.

Yeah Leo still has to work on his timing and decision making at the NHL level, but that was known going into this season. He along with just about every player on the roster is struggling to to make the improvements they should be making.

I'm not concerned because he will clearly be a physical beast as he continues to grow, and on top of that he has excellent hands that are really only matched by Zegras, with hockey IQ and vision that no one can really match on this team. It's just that he needs to develop his approach, habits, decision making, and confidence.
 
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Gliff said:
It had nothing tol do with keeping him fresh for later in the year. It was about allowing him to spend more time in the gym and for rest and recovery. Why is that so hard for people to understand? It was a strength and conditioning program.
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I didn't say it was about being good the rest if the year. That was something other posters speculated when the program was announced. I've always stated it was odd to postpone the "hitting the wall" if you want a guy to get used to plating 82 games then let him try and play. To me it felt like it was just post posing the inevitable. My point was that he hit the wall anyway.
 
anezthes said:
Getzlaf did a lot of the heavy lifting back then. Never got the credit he deserved IMO.



Maybe. Or it's the coaching.
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Terry's been doing the same hero puck type game for two different coaches, except one of those coaches did watch over Terry's explosion with Getz in Eakins. I think Terry doesn't have trust in his teammates like he did with Getz. Terry needs to trust his centermen, Leo or Mac, regardless of who it is.
 
Hockey Duckie said:
Terry's been doing the same hero puck type game for two different coaches, except one of those coaches did watch over Terry's explosion with Getz in Eakins. I think Terry doesn't have trust in his teammates like he did with Getz. Terry needs to trust his centermen, Leo or Mac, regardless of who it is.
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Looked good with Mac today but it's hard to make conclusions when Buffalo had such an awful game.
 
Hockey Duckie said:
Terry's been doing the same hero puck type game for two different coaches, except one of those coaches did watch over Terry's explosion with Getz in Eakins. I think Terry doesn't have trust in his teammates like he did with Getz. Terry needs to trust his centermen, Leo or Mac, regardless of who it is.
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This is such a weird post. Terry has been great since game 25 and is our best player(for 3 straight years now)

Making a run at 70 points on a dreadful team and people are still repeating this stuff
 
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AngelDuck said:
This is such a weird post. Terry has been great since game 25 and is our best player(for 3 straight years now)

Making a run at 70 points on a dreadful team and people are still repeating this stuff
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The post isn't weird if it is responding specifically is it Terry or is it the coaching when it comes to quality of play. Maybe you should follow the thread instead of jumping into the middle of the thread to believe that's the OP.

Hanging onto pucks for far too long and attacking the opponent 1v3/4 didn't just happen under Cronin, it happened under Eakins too. That kind of play is oft described as hero puck. Hero puck is good at specific times, but not all the time. Which is why many posters cite, "... and the play dies on Terry's stick." This implies Terry could have an even higher production.

Mac has produced similarly to Terry this year. This board, along with myself, have criticized Mac's play since his return from injury. Despite getting three assists in the last game, Mac was still not good. Terry isn't immune from criticism.

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The odd thing is Terry was a better player under Eakins when Getz was centering Terry. Terry scored 37 goals and 30 assists with Getz as his center. That scoring and play style was the standard set for Terry and a factor to his big payday.

Terry
2021-22: 37g + 30a ⬅️
2022-23: 23g + 38a
2023-24: 16g + 26a (in 52 games)

Now, let us look at McTavish's production this year in his second season in the NHL:

Mac
2023-24: 15g + 21a (in 52 games)

Mac is producing similarly to Terry. I'm a huge Mac fan, but I don't think Mac has been playing well since his injury.

If Terry can let off the reins more often, then he might be able to score more goals. Vatrano is this year's leading goal scorer by 10 goals and scorer by 2 points. Vatrano is most often waiting for a pass to score, not taking on 1v3/4 situations nor hanging onto the puck for 10 seconds. Terry used to play like that on offense with Getz.

Vatrano
2023-24: 26g + 18a (in 55 games)

Terry has three offensive minded centers who don't mind passing the puck in Zegras, Mac, and Carlsson. Loosen the reins, pass the puck early, and be ready to receive a pass to score a goal on. Hero puck is useful in specific situations, but useful if that's Terry plays all the time.
 
CrazyDuck4u said:
What ive noticed about his game is he is good at building up speed and getting to the net. But has trouble finishing.
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There are a lot of really exciting aspects to his game, he's great at exits and getting through the NZ (building up speed like you said) even under pressure. He can step around guys or make really good touch passes. Just to name one thing.

But he does have troubles in the offensive zone and I don't think you can blame it on the team being bad or whatever. He has the best linemates we can give him. He makes weird passing decisions sometimes and his execution is just off. He has a lot to learn still.
 
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I don’t like his visible frustration and body language when he misses a shot or turns the puck over. He gets ultra negative. Hope he matures past that.
 
I don't mind that he's trying to make the difficult plays and that he sometimes fails. He clearly sees things that others don't or can't. Unlike with Zegras, where I got the sense that he ALWAYS tried to make the difficult play simply because he thought he could, I think Carlsson makes the play he thinks has the best chance to lead to a scoring opportunity. Sometimes it's the simple play, sometimes it's trying to slip a puck in between two defenders, which doesn't always work.

I think Carlsson will learn what works and what doesn't, and, as he gains chemistry with teammates, will figure out how to make those plays effective. I'm good with him trying and failing for now.

Also, just as an aside - Zegras has vastly improved at simplifying the game when the situation calls for it.
 
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