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Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

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DuckDuckGetz said:
I think Groulx is a 13th forward for the Ducks and Gaucher is the 2C for the Gulls
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Even better. I think Gaucher has untapped potential offensively while I think Groulx we've already seen the best he can do. We need Gaucher influence his high work ethic onto Perreault somehow.
 
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Zegs2sendhelp said:
I think it’s fine…. I think we have a better coaching staff down there this year… and there will be talent around him, that he’ll be playing with at the next level.
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There was only one change in the Gulls' coaching staff, we went from HC Sommers to HC McIlvane. The rest of the coaching staff remains the same in asst coach Kris Sparre, asst coach Jason Clarke, and goalie coach Jeff Glass. Sparre was McIlvane's asst coach with Salzburg of the ICEHL league, iirc.

DuckDuckGetz said:
I love the idea of having him in the AHL over the SHL tbh.

I don't think the development is that much different and it means the Gulls are going to be insanely fun to watch with all of these guys joining.
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I prefer the SHL over AHL because Orebro did such a great job developing for the past two seasons that Carlsson was drafted #2OA. Plus the SHL plays fewer games (52 regular season games) than the NHL's 82-game schedule in the same time span, which is about six-and-a-half months. That's what allows youths to develop physically.

The NCAA plays fewer games too such as Minnesota having played 40 games or Michigan 41 games, in the same time span as the SHL and NHL. With more down time, the bodies have time to work out and recover. In the NHL and AHL, there is rarely time to rest and recover.

Orebro went to the playoffs in the SHL. The Gulls finished dead last by 20 points in the AHL, but all they did was change the head coach, as aforementioned. Thankfully, there's a mass influx of talent coming over this season to help tilt the ice.

Since Carlsson is coming over to NA for rookie tourney and Ducks' training camp, it makes more sense to just keep Carlsson on NA ice, whether be it AHL or NHL. Seems odd to learn all new coaches and teammates just to throw it all away to head back to the SHL and relearn all the tendencies of the coaches and new players on the roster.
 
Deuce22 said:
I want Carlsson learning the Ducks systems, getting to know the coaches and his teammates, and getting used to living in Southern California. Staying in Sweden does none of those things. Let him come to camp and see where's he's at. If he isn't ready, the Gulls have another centerman.
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Plus the SHL would prioritize the team over what is best for player development.
While SD is focused on prospect development and making AHL playoffs comes 2nd.
 
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Anaheim4ever said:
Plus the SHL would prioritize the team over what is best for player development.
While SD is focused on prospect development and making AHL playoffs comes 2nd.
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Is that a good thing though?

Personally, I'd rather see Leo thrive in an environment where there's pressure to win and compete every night. When the playoffs come, would you rather a guy whos battled in a league where all the eyes are on him and are expecting him to perform or would you rather one who's just happy hes playing and developing with no care of the actual result.

I feel like SHL helped someone like Silf a lot. By the time he got to the Ducks he was already battle tested and ready for the NHL playoffs and ended up becoming one of the best playoff performers of those duck teams.
 
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There’s risk in having Leo play in the AHL. We don’t know how effective the new Gull coaches will be and if they can turn things around. It would be safer to just give Leo some training and some games to get a baseline, but continue to grow into his lead role in Orebro where he is familiar with systems and coaching that are established and more consistent.

Verbeeks interview indicates he wants to bring prospects along slowly, and obviously to allow him to continue obtaining prospects from losing. Playing with the Ducks could stunt his development and probably lead to injuries. It could harm confidence to not do well in the AHL and we don’t want him to be stunted like Kaapo/Kotkaniemi.
 
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Its a good time to get him into the AHL if he doesn't stick at NHL level. He will be playing with a lot of players we hope will be part of our cup run, he will get a lot of ice time on NA ice and we have a new coach who is known for getting his players to buy into the team and perform.
 
Hamilton Bulldogs said:
Is that a good thing though?

Personally, I'd rather see Leo thrive in an environment where there's pressure to win and compete every night. When the playoffs come, would you rather a guy whos battled in a league where all the eyes are on him and are expecting him to perform or would you rather one who's just happy hes playing and developing with no care of the actual result.

I feel like SHL helped someone like Silf a lot. By the time he got to the Ducks he was already battle tested and ready for the NHL playoffs and ended up becoming one of the best playoff performers of those duck teams.
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While I believe there is no one-size-fits-all for these things, this is actually a great point I hadn't thought about that much before.
 
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Anaheim4ever said:
Plus the SHL would prioritize the team over what is best for player development.
While SD is focused on prospect development and making AHL playoffs comes 2nd.
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It’s a bit of a two-edged sword for SHL teams. Yes, they ultimately are teams looking to win now, and particularly come playoff time, they’re going to make lineup decisions based on little but the now. That said, you don’t want to be seen as a team that hampers young players‘ developments. Don’t forget: there’s no draft in Euro leagues, young players go through youth programs and can basically freely choose to switch to one that will appear most promising for their path towards stardom. If you’re seen as an organization that won’t give one of the biggest young stars in the country enough of a chance, that might well end up costing you multiple future prospects down the line.
 
cheesymc said:
There’s risk in having Leo play in the AHL. We don’t know how effective the new Gull coaches will be and if they can turn things around. It would be safer to just give Leo some training and some games to get a baseline, but continue to grow into his lead role in Orebro where he is familiar with systems and coaching that are established and more consistent.
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On the other hand, McIlvane has experience coaching European players so even if he's only half as good as he's rumored to be I still think it would be a pretty natural transitional move for Leo.
 
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DuckDuckGetz said:
On the other hand, McIlvane has experience coaching European players so even if he's only half as good as he's rumored to be I still think it would be a pretty natural transitional move for Leo.
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We will definitely have more control over his opportunities, and he will absolutely get prime if he agrees to play in the AHL. But boy, the Gulls were absolutely terrible last year, and it looks like they are mirroring the Ducks in lacking physical protection. The current roster looks much more offensively gifted, but the AHL can be nastier than the NHL. The only physical guys that I see are Wolff, Wiebe, and Gaucher.
 
cheesymc said:
There’s risk in having Leo play in the AHL. We don’t know how effective the new Gull coaches will be and if they can turn things around. It would be safer to just give Leo some training and some games to get a baseline, but continue to grow into his lead role in Orebro where he is familiar with systems and coaching that are established and more consistent.

Verbeeks interview indicates he wants to bring prospects along slowly, and obviously to allow him to continue obtaining prospects from losing. Playing with the Ducks could stunt his development and probably lead to injuries. It could harm confidence to not do well in the AHL and we don’t want him to be stunted like Kaapo/Kotkaniemi.
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If Verbeek wanted the slow approach for Carlsson, then Carlsson wouldn't be on NA ice today. Carlsson would stay in Sweden and preparing for the start of the SHL season next weekend.

Because Carlsson is on NA ice, it's pointless to return him to the SHL. Just let Carlsson acclimate to the smaller ice, the physical play, new coaches, and new teammates.

I have read somewhere that a 9-game NHL stint with the Ducks would end on Oct. 30th. Then if Carlsson is sent to the AHL, that could be another month and a half, which would be mid-December. He would have missed 17 or 18 SHL games, or four months of the SHL regular season games. That's too many different leagues, style of play, teammates, and coaches for Carlsson to settle down with. We didn't include Carlsson participating at the WJC-20's.
 
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Hockey Duckie said:
If Verbeek wanted the slow approach for Carlsson, then Carlsson wouldn't be on NA ice today. Carlsson would stay in Sweden and preparing for the start of the SHL season next weekend.

Because Carlsson is on NA ice, it's pointless to return him to the SHL. Just let Carlsson acclimate to the smaller ice, the physical play, new coaches, and new teammates.

I have read somewhere that a 9-game NHL stint with the Ducks would end on Oct. 30th. Then if Carlsson is sent to the AHL, that could be another month and a half, which would be mid-December. He would have missed 17 or 18 SHL games, or four months of the SHL regular season games. That's too many different leagues, style of play, teammates, and coaches for Carlsson to settle down with. We didn't include Carlsson participating at the WJC-20's.
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Maybe he takes Mctavish’s busy development route too…. Playing in a bunch of various leagues, tournament, line mates, and styles, but he looked burnt out at times with the Ducks… although that could be from all the losing…
 
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