CrazyDuck4u
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What can I say.. They rigged the draft.. But Leo will be a more complete player.. Trust me.
Player Discussion Leo Carlsson
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Hockey Duckie
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Try watching the recent World's Championship, which is played against men and NHL players.
Fantilli: 10 games, 1g + 2a = 3 pts (0.30 ppg), +3 rating,
............... 23 shots; shooting % = 4.35%
............... ATOI: 12:25
Carlsson: 8 games, 3g + 2a = 5 pts (0.63 ppg), +5 rating,
............... 12 shots; shooting % = 25.00%
............... ATOI: 15:38
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Carlsson was 5'8 in his U16 season. Seasons later, he's 6'3 now. He plays like William Eklund, but in a much bigger body that he's still getting used to playing in. He's 190 lbs and could be 220-225 lbs when he's done filling out. It isn't just his weight that's gonna fill out, but also the rest of his game. The Carlsson we see today isn't a finished product (he's a Swedish product... ba da bump tshhh) and it'll take a few more years to see what the Ducks have. A plus side is that Carlsson's two-way game has been developing against a top men's league, SHL, for the past two seasons. He's got a high floor already.
Anyhow, it's just prospect tourneys. Fantilli looked good in a 10-7 game, which means no defense for either team. It was a different type of game the Ducks played in Vegas.
As for Bedard... I still think the draft was rigged, but nothing we can do about it and nothing to really complain about since Bedard was never eligible for us to draft. We can still enjoy watching him.
Yeah you mentioned that he had a huge growth spurt. He’s definitely less physically developed. It just pissed me off that we missed on Bedard and even worse… to Chicago. Bedard is looking magical with his handles and shooting. And Fanta is also looking like he might end up being CBJs best overall forward pretty soon. He looks like a monster out there against his peers. It’s like getting stabbed looking at their highlights haha.
Hockey Duckie
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I'm with you on Bedard. I was dreaming of a McTavish-Bedard reunion... and maybe steak too! I still believe many are sleeping on McTavish. McTavish could have scored more points at the WJC-20 if C Greig didn't get injured for the last two games. Mac had to assume a defensive role and he led the way to a gold medal.
As for Fantilli looking good against his peers, that's nothing new. It's when Fantilli faces stronger peers is when one starts to question Fantilli's game. I've tracked this flaw since his time at the WJC-18 to the WC's, Fantilli's high octane offense disappears. A high-end goal scorer struggles to score goals at the WJC-18, WJC-20, Frozen four high levels, and the WC. Something's amiss.
I already shared with you the shooting % of both Carlsson and Fantilli at the WC's; Carlsson was the more accurate shooter.
Then again, I preferred Carlsson over Fantilli before the draft. With Fantilli, you're getting a frenzied skater who scores often on breakaway type chances. Aside from that, the rest of the game is behind because he's so used to playing hero puck that he doesn't know how to play with his teammates often. With Carlsson, you're getting a calculating, more complete player. He's not flashy, but he sure is efficient and effective.
I'm not the only one who sees this. Elite Prospects score cards reflect all this.
The Carlsson vs Fantilli debate is going to get really ugly in the near future but down the road, a few years into their careers, I think Ducks fans will be very happy with the Leo selection.
I think if you staple him with Terry, good things will happen. No shocker he is planned to skate with Terry at training camp now.
I think if you staple him with Terry, good things will happen. No shocker he is planned to skate with Terry at training camp now.
The Midnight Burrito
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It doesn't have to. We literally do not have to care about Fantilli at all. Nothing Fantilli does can possibly effect us, except when he plays us directly, and even then it's no different than playing anyone else.
I wish that ends up being true. Not saying that Leo will bust (I think it's highly unlikely based on what we have been seeing), but worst-case scenario would be how Edmonton passed on Tkachuk for Pulju (who has terrible hockey sense unlike Leo). Obviously, I am hoping for the gap in talent ends up being close if not Leo somehow being the better player which would make Verbeek and Madden look like geniuses.
Anaheim4ever
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Carlsson and Terry are both sneaky good shooters who are mainly player drivers who will likely create goals for each other and for whoever is the 3rd wheel on their line (Maybe Vatrano ?)
Zegras probably needs McTavish more so when Zegras skills it up too much and opposing teams player gets in his face then McTavish can emulate his UFC brother and stand up for Zegras lol.
I have a feeling that Henrique or Killorn will be a top 6 LW over Vatrano. Vatrano might be on RW with the other line (since he plays both wings). I'm assuming Carlsson/McTavish/Zegras (whoever moves to wing) is more comfortable at LW since they left shot (though Mac might play RW to get his shot off better). It'll be interesting to see how they go with the lines.
Could go:
Rico/Killorn-Z-McTavish
Rico/Killorn-Carlsson-Terry (Think I'd go Rico with Carlsson to have 2 C's on each line)
Jones-Strome-Vatrano
This is assuming Carlsson starts in the top 6. It could be something like:
Rico-Z-Vatrano
Killorn-McTavish-Terry
Jones-Carlsson-Strome
There will probably be a lot of throwing names in a blender during camp/pre season/early season to see who works with who.
Anaheim4ever
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Oh yeah with Henrique/Killorn they put Vatrano further down the lineup. Looks like a much improved top9 than previous years. Things may change when Henrique is dealt at the deadline.
I'd like to see Henrique chase a cup run then possibly return to Anaheim as a UFA on a 1 year deal.
Troy is a fan. From 1:54 to the end. These interview clips from the Ducks team are aggravating with the questions cut out. You have to guess what the question is based on the answer.
I like the idea of Killorn - Carlsson - Terry , gives him vet support, a guy who can score goals…two guys who can score, and Killorn is solid defensively with Terry being at least responsible.
The idea is to separate Leo and Z, other teams will be focused on Z. I actually like the idea of pairing Mac and Z.
The idea is to separate Leo and Z, other teams will be focused on Z. I actually like the idea of pairing Mac and Z.
Dr Johnny Fever
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Pretty typical of the team's inability to communicate well with fans and develop a good rapport.
I'll give them credit, some off their behind the scenes stuff is amusing and entertaining but I've been noticing this since the offseason. You have a clip package of quotes from Verbeek, players, or Eakins and it just cuts right to the answer without the question.
TheGoodShepard1
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They’ve done that for awhile, but at least a few years ago, they put some sort of tagline in the video starting with ”on” or ”about” describing the question. They don’t add any sort of context, which I agree is annoying.
Smirnov2Chistov
Fire Greg Cronin!
Is this serious lol.
With the right development cast around this team, it’s very unlikely that he will bust. Puljujarvi had work ethic issues even during his draft year.
I said it back when we were losing that I wouldn’t mind both, but after seeing Carlsson play (and excel!) as the top line centerman for Sweden, it was really hard to ignore.
I haven’t cared about Fantilli, or heard anything about him about Columbus. They are a dumpster fire organizationally, and none of their prospect group really excites me. They can have the ‘flashier’ player, but Carlsson is the perfect fit for this team
that tiny little change of direction/change in skating rhythm he makes as he approaches the offensive blue line was gorgeous. that's just pure instinct, and not many guys can do that. totally threw off lacombe - good learning experience for him as well. those are the little things you see which often lead to big things down the road.
Hockey Duckie
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The first breakdown coverage showed how Carlsson ran out of runway towards the net. His body is still attuned to playing on a wider sheet of ice in Europe than the narrow sheet on NA ice. That's something his body will need to take time to adapt to the newer dimension. More speed + practicing with Orebro (SHL ice dimensions) before coming over might have muscle/mind retention.
His fake dekes away from the net is really fooling people. It fooled LaCombe in practice. I remember that Carlsson loves the NBA and he's probably incorporating all those head fakes and leans that basketball players do when driving to the net. You fool them long before the net to get an even easier path.
Saw this posted elsewhere but a pretty cool recent interview of him.
Leo's getting a number change already... Bob Murray truly is gone
I hate that the Ducks never are consistent with their numbers. When Zegras first came to the Ducks, he was listed as #52 before his first game, then he got #46 and now he's #11. They really should offer refunds for anyone who already got a jersey of Carlsson with #37.
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I get the established rookie jersey. I like the showing support before it was cool factor.
How about the poor saps with the Fantilli jerseys?
