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Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

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was the rookie tournament the one right after the draft? didn't his family drive from the east coast to nashville or something like that?

and then to come to OC a few days later. he was probably exhausted and jet lagged
 
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Carlsson should have dominated not just impressed when you look at the quality of player drafted around him
 
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Carlsson should have dominated not just impressed when you look at the quality of player drafted around him
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Problem is most of the forwards just weren’t playing at his level IQ wise. Carlsson obviously thrives with other players who think the game like he does. He’s going to make people around him better, but I don’t think he’s like Getz where he can put 2 line mates on his back out of sure will. He may be able to at one point, but not yet, and that’s fine.

He impressed with Zegras and Terry, against NHL talent, that’s what we want out of him. I could care less how he looked next to Pitre and Nesterenko.
 
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Hockey Duckie said:
I thought Leo looked better in the rookie tourney than training camp b/c he was stifled in the later games. Or maybe Leo looked good in practice against other NHL'ers, when Leo had full energy?
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I think he is such a smart and skilled player but not a one on one dominant type player (like Fantili) that his game will elevate with better players and drop with weaker line mates
 
What some people dont seem to understand is that it is a big difference coming from Sweden (Big rink, jetlag , etc) then being born in US/Canada from the beginning. And it takes some time getting used to smaller rink and everything outside the ice is different. Just hope he will be ok soon.
 
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I think he is such a smart and skilled player but not a one on one dominant type player (like Fantili) that his game will elevate with better players and drop with weaker line mates
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Against Carlsson's peer age, which was the rookie tourney, Carlsson was the dominant forward on the ice... and sometimes on the dominant forward for both teams on the ice.

In pre-season, Carlsson was doing the same thing as he was in the rookie tourney, but against stronger competition and that's when his game got stifled. Maybe Cronin overworked him like the rest of the team with full practices in the AM and a game in the PM of the same day. Big Carl is just 18-years old and will take some time for his body and mind to acclimate to the NHL rigors.

IMO, Carlsson is a dominant player, but isn't the flashiest player. In games where Fantilli faces stiffer competition (WJC, NCAA final four, or WC), he struggled offensively. Yet in games where Carlsson faces stiffer competition (WJC, SHL playoffs, or WC), his game rose or exceeded expectations. If one only did surface research on Fantilli and Carlsson, then one would be all enamored with Fantilli b/c his game on video highlights are viscerally entertaining. If one does a deep dive on both, then you have two high end players that play a different game - one has violent speed and the other has calculating IQ that works with his teammates.
 
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cheesymc said:
The man wanted Fantilli....
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That's some logic.

ScarTroy said:
Problem is most of the forwards just weren’t playing at his level IQ wise. Carlsson obviously thrives with other players who think the game like he does. He’s going to make people around him better, but I don’t think he’s like Getz where he can put 2 line mates on his back out of sure will. He may be able to at one point, but not yet, and that’s fine.

He impressed with Zegras and Terry, against NHL talent, that’s what we want out of him. I could care less how he looked next to Pitre and Nesterenko.
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Disagree. I couldn't care less how he looked next to Pitre and Nesterenko.
 
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Hockey Duckie said:
Against Carlsson's peer age, which was the rookie tourney, Carlsson was the dominant forward on the ice... and sometimes on the dominant forward for both teams on the ice.

In pre-season, Carlsson was doing the same thing as he was in the rookie tourney, but against stronger competition and that's when his game got stifled. Maybe Cronin overworked him like the rest of the team with full practices in the AM and a game in the PM of the same day. Big Carl is just 18-years old and will take some time for his body and mind to acclimate to the NHL rigors.

IMO, Carlsson is a dominant player, but isn't the flashiest player. In games where Fantilli faces stiffer competition (WJC, NCAA final four, or WC), he struggled offensively. Yet in games where Carlsson faces stiffer competition (WJC, SHL playoffs, or WC), his game rose or exceeded expectations. If one only did surface research on Fantilli and Carlsson, then one would be all enamored with Fantilli b/c his game on video highlights are viscerally entertaining. If one does a deep dive on both, then you have two high end players that play a different game - one has violent speed and the other has calculating IQ that works with his teammates.
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Carlsson's game scales better than Fantilli's.
 
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In all honesty this thread reminds me of someone who is crying about their ex and trying to hide it at the same time. We can do better...

Fantilli is an amazing prospect. But at the same time whatever he does or does not do will NOT impact Leo in any way...

We have our own dude to talk about
 
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What a player fully becomes, no matter the talent, is dependent to a great extent on where he plays.

Crosby would always be a generational talent, but I’ve always wondered if he would have reached the same accomplishments if had he been a Duck.

He fell into the perfect storm with the Penguins, and I’m not sure he would have flourished as much under Burke and Carlyle.

Carlsson might reach his full potential as a Duck and Fantilli may not have. Or it could be with Columbus; or the opposite.

John
 
70sSanO said:
What a player fully becomes, no matter the talent, is dependent to a great extent on where he plays.

Crosby would always be a generational talent, but I’ve always wondered if he would have reached the same accomplishments if had he been a Duck.

He fell into the perfect storm with the Penguins, and I’m not sure he would have flourished as much under Burke and Carlyle.

Carlsson might reach his full potential as a Duck and Fantilli may not have. Or it could be with Columbus; or the opposite.

John
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You’re joking right? Crosby would have played with Getzlaf and Perry (And Selanne, Niedermayer, maybe Pronger)if he were drafted by Anaheim. That’s an amazing situation

The Ducks won a cup without Sid and were close on several other occasions. Were a top 5 franchise in hockey from 2005-2017 quite easily

No one can say for sure because we’re rewriting history but my guess is he would have thrived just as much in Anaheim

People have lost perspective on how good Getzlaf and Perry were. Their raw numbers are not as impressive as todays stars because they played in the dead puck era. Jamie Benn won an Art Ross with 87 points one year for Christ Sake. That doesn’t even get you into the top 30 in scoring anymore. Scoring was HARD between 2009-2017

Getzlaf is only slightly worse than Malkin overall and Perry would have been the best winger Crosby ever played with
 
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Leonardo87 said:
We really need to stop worrying about Fantilli. Only worry when he is playing against the Ducks…or Rangers for me. Lol
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This is as expected.

Its the first time in recent history we were in a position to take the "BPA" with a top pick and passed.
Zegras was a no brainer
Drysdale was the BPA.
McTavish was in a group of like 5 guys who all came in after the top 2.
Mintyukov was late enough that the BPA wasn't as clear.

I expect to hear Ducks fans bitch about not taking Fantilli for the next decade, even if Carlsson ends up being better. Unless Fantilli busts this talk will never die. It will just shift from "we missed the BPA" to "We missed the winner", "we missed the more exciting player", "We missed the better scorer", etc.
 
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AngelDuck said:
You’re joking right?
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Actually I'm serious. When people want to compare players, like Carlsson and Fantilli, and who is better, or will end up better, it is not as easy as just looking at numbers.

I don't want to re-visit the post cup Selanne-Niedermeyer holdouts and some of the horrendous moves we made. If we had Crosby we would have at least another cup, maybe 2, 3... No way we lose to Chicago, nor do we lose every game 7. For the team it would be heaven. But would Crosby's individual numbers, and his historical ranking be the same? Would he be 2nd line? Would "he" be the Captain? I would have loved to have experience it.

If the Penguins had an opportunity to pick Ovechkin instead of Malkin in 2004, how would his career end up. Most people would say the comparison isn't even close. Ovi would most likely have more cups, especially if he retires as a Cap. He would always be one of the best scorers in NHL history, especially with Crosby feeding him. But would he end up as "the best" all time? Would he get to 1000 or be looking up at Howe.

John
 
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I was in the fantilli camp. Now i am in the carlsson. It is simple. decision was made. Leo is ours to develop

Honestly i want markets like columbus to do well. At the end of day i hope both of us have a new toews or backstrom or kopitar etc

I think the only thing we all agree on is f* the blackhawks
 
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Leo is much more of a plug and play type, which I generally prefer. He’s a similar calibre prospect to Fantilli and you can’t really go wrong with either.

Fantilli woud’ve worked well with players like Z who can feed him so in that sense be would’ve made more sense for the Ducks than other teams. But the Carlsson pick is completely defensisble and he’s who I’d choose in a vacuum.
 
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Mr Rogers said:
Leo is much more of a plug and play type, which I generally prefer. He’s a similar calibre prospect to Fantilli and you can’t really go wrong with either.

Fantilli woud’ve worked well with players like Z who can feed him so in that sense be would’ve made more sense for the Ducks than other teams. But the Carlsson pick is completely defensisble and he’s who I’d choose in a vacuum.
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Leo has the hockey IQ you just can't teach. It comes natural. So in my experience. He will be become a very good 2 way player.
 
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