Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

[Leonardo87]

Hey Fellas, We seem to be going way off topic here…..

 

[pbgoalie]

Hey Fellas, We seem to be going way off topic here…..

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Topic?

 

[Sean Garrity]

Fantilli and Michkov over Carlsson in recent rankings is fine. I appreciate no freak out on this board. Leave Carlsson alone and let the kid play, dude has all the tools to smash all expectations.

 

[Kalv]

Fantilli and Michkov over Carlsson in recent rankings is fine. I appreciate no freak out on this board. Leave Carlsson alone and let the kid play, dude has all the tools to smash all expectations.

Yeah. Rankings are very subjective and are great to to just waste some time (they are interesting to read tho). But performance on the ice will determine everything and we will start seeing how our controversial decision will play out starting quite soon.

 

[Leonardo87]

Fantilli and Michkov over Carlsson in recent rankings is fine. I appreciate no freak out on this board. Leave Carlsson alone and let the kid play, dude has all the tools to smash all expectations.

It was annoying at first, but I’d rather Leo fly under the radar. Let other teams and fans continue to pay attention to Zegras and Terry.

 

[Sean Garrity]

It was annoying at first, but I’d rather Leo fly under the radar. Let other teams and fans continue to pay attention to Zegras and Terry.

It's annoying for sure, but people will continue to call Zegras overrated because of the cover, and call Carlsson a mistake because he's not flashy. Terry I feel is appropriately rated around the boards.

 

[Leonardo87]

Leo on his way to Anaheim..

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Leo on his way to Anaheim..

Carlsson should have said his final goodbyes to Orebro b/c I think Carlsson is staying on NA ice from now on, either at the NHL or AHL levels.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Leo on his way to Anaheim..

Do you need me to go pick him up?

 

[Leonardo87]

Do you need me to go pick him up?

Don’t want to scare the kid off. Lol

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Don’t want to scare the kid off. Lol

It’s ok, I drive much safer now vs when CHP pulled me over and proceeded to pull his gun on me. Ah, the good old days.

 

[ZEBROA]

Still seems like a lot of dissapointed Duckfans on forums here and there. Many are sure Carlsson will be a bust vs Fantilli. I belive Carlssons learning curve will be steeper. And i hope he will be as good as Fantilli overall in NHL. He to must feel that.
Looking forward to see if Leo has improved in any way this summer.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Still seems like a lot of dissapointed Duckfans on forums here and there. Many are sure Carlsson will be a bust vs Fantilli. I belive Carlssons learning curve will be steeper. And i hope he will be as good as Fantilli overall in NHL. He to must feel that.
Looking forward to see if Leo has improved in any way this summer.

I don’t think anyone thinks carlsson will be a bust, I think people just think fantilli will be a star.

Personally im indifferent…. I preferred fantilli at the draft ( granted I’m a Michigan fan boy for college sports) and thought fantilli was a better fit. But I’ll reserve judgement until we see what both guys look like the next couple seasons

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Still seems like a lot of dissapointed Duckfans on forums here and there. Many are sure Carlsson will be a bust vs Fantilli. I belive Carlssons learning curve will be steeper. And i hope he will be as good as Fantilli overall in NHL. He to must feel that.
Looking forward to see if Leo has improved in any way this summer.

I was disappointed as soon as we didn't get bedard.

I had no major preference for second overall.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Still seems like a lot of dissapointed Duckfans on forums here and there. Many are sure Carlsson will be a bust vs Fantilli. I belive Carlssons learning curve will be steeper. And i hope he will be as good as Fantilli overall in NHL. He to must feel that.
Looking forward to see if Leo has improved in any way this summer.

I think the media fed the masses a particular narrative and it stuck. If people do deep dives, then you come away with a different perspective. The Ducks' scouting came away with a different perspective. Even scouting people who do deep dives fall in love with the flash despite their score card identifying the huge flaws in Fantilli's game.

Fantilli's terrible at exits and entries. Fantilli plays the game at one speed and outpaces his teammates to a detriment of the team. He needs to learn to slow his speed, his game to develop better hockey sense. But if Fantilli is a winger, then, then it doesn't matter and he can go sniping to his heart's content.

Carlsson doesn't shoot a lot, but does everything else. He's effective in transition exits and entries. What is surprising is that Carlsson is better at OZ retrievals and Boards-to-Middle plays than the speedy Fantilli. This is evidence of Carlsson's hockey sense to know where the play will be and head there ahead of time, despite not having the explosive skating like Fantilli.

Fantilli as a wing projects better than Fantilli at center. Carlsson projects better as a center. And seeing how Zegras was struggling at center last year, Carlsson is a great selection at improving talent down the middle for the Ducks' future.

I'm not expecting Carlsson to go crazy in his first year. I expect to see a huge jump in year three. IMO, Carlsson plays the game like McTavish. Everybody wrote off McTavish when he was drafted as well, except for the Ducks and Central Scouting.

 

[Boo Boo]

I think the media fed the masses a particular narrative and it stuck. If people do deep dives, then you come away with a different perspective. The Ducks' scouting came away with a different perspective. Even scouting people who do deep dives fall in love with the flash despite their score card identifying the huge flaws in Fantilli's game.

Fantilli's terrible at exits and entries. Fantilli plays the game at one speed and outpaces his teammates to a detriment of the team. He needs to learn to slow his speed, his game to develop better hockey sense. But if Fantilli is a winger, then, then it doesn't matter and he can go sniping to his heart's content.

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Carlsson doesn't shoot a lot, but does everything else. He's effective in transition exits and entries. What is surprising is that Carlsson is better at OZ retrievals and Boards-to-Middle plays than the speedy Fantilli. This is evidence of Carlsson's hockey sense to know where the play will be and head there ahead of time, despite not having the explosive skating like Fantilli.

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Fantilli as a wing projects better than Fantilli at center. Carlsson projects better as a center. And seeing how Zegras was struggling at center last year, Carlsson is a great selection at improving talent down the middle for the Ducks' future.

I'm not expecting Carlsson to go crazy in his first year. I expect to see a huge jump in year three. IMO, Carlsson plays the game like McTavish. Everybody wrote off McTavish when he was drafted as well, except for the Ducks and Central Scouting.

I really don’t see the mctavish carlsson parallels. How are they at all similar? Carlsson is way bigger and far more of a playmaker vs mctavish being a highly cerebral goal scorer who lives from close to mid range of the net.

 

[goonsaredumb]

I really don’t see the mctavish carlsson parallels. How are they at all similar? Carlsson is way bigger and far more of a playmaker vs mctavish being a highly cerebral goal scorer who lives from close to mid range of the net.

I think this every time he makes that comparison, they're completely different players

 

[ScarTroy]

I really don’t see the mctavish carlsson parallels. How are they at all similar? Carlsson is way bigger and far more of a playmaker vs mctavish being a highly cerebral goal scorer who lives from close to mid range of the net.

Doesn’t he means plays the game like him being that they both play a responsible game that’s not flashy? I’d say that’s accurate. I don’t think their styles are the same, and actually I think they’d look great on a line together, however I think they are both going to be our centers going forward.

@Hockey Duckie do you know why they used so few games for Fantilli’s card vs Carlsson’s? Seems odd they would have so little from Fantilli even though he’s NA.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I really don’t see the mctavish carlsson parallels. How are they at all similar? Carlsson is way bigger and far more of a playmaker vs mctavish being a highly cerebral goal scorer who lives from close to mid range of the net.

Both McTavish and Carlsson use their bodies to protect, pursue, and secure the puck. Both like to live in front of the net or crash the net. Both have great hands in front of the net. Both extend offensive possessions. Both are two-way centers. Both are not elite skaters. Both have high hockey sense. There are a lot of little things that go unnoticed on the ice to protect, pursue, or secure the puck with both players such as using their body to hit the opponent racing for the puck instead of trying to grab the puck first. They both think the same way in that manner.

From there, they differ. One is a high-end goal scorer and the other is more of a playmaker. Although, it felt like McTavish preferred to pass more than shoot last year, where 10 of his 17 goals were ES goals. Carlsson is taller, not bigger than McTavish. I'm still waiting for McTavish to unleash physical play at the NHL level, but, right now, they're both reserved at dishing out punishing hits.

When comparing Fantilli vs Carlsson, it was easy to see Carlsson is similar to McTavish in their play styles. That's why I preferred Carlsson over Fantilli. Fantilli reminds me a lot of Kent Johnson. Both possess high end scoring talents. Both play "puck hero" and can't mesh with a team game. Both were projected as centers going into the draft, though, I think Fantilli will stick at center due to necessity.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

@Hockey Duckie do you know why they used so few games for Fantilli’s card vs Carlsson’s? Seems odd they would have so little from Fantilli even though he’s NA.

Nope, no reason the difference in games. I just took snapshots of the scorecards from their youtube casting. There could be a more updated scorecard on Fantilli, but I think I snapped it when EP was doing their year end rankings. I can guess some of the reason for the difference in game coverages.

Mitch Brown covered Fantilli on NA ice, but Brown covers a lot of other NA players. Brown also does podcasting, either for Elite Prospects (EP) or be the guest on someone else's podcast, which eats up scouting time. I don't know how many prospects Brown covers, but he covers a lot of NA players and often is the head guy talking on podcasts along with David. Brown loves, loves, loves Fantilli.

Lassi Alanen covers prospects in Sweden and I only see Lassi when EP does a group podcast to rate players. There were only 11 players drafted from Sweden in the first 3 rounds of the 2023 draft. That could be the reason why Carlsson was covered more often, fewer prospects to cover. Another factor would be that Carlsson played more games when combining all SHL with international games. Still, I'm just guessing here.

 

[duckpuck]

Pronman and others had their rankings before the draft. Of course they're going to double down a few months later with the same basic rankings. Nothing has changed - Fantilli was the higher profile player but it appears lots of scouts and GMs had Carlsson ahead. We won't know who was the better pick (and eventually the better player) for probably 4+ years.

Fantilli may be more NHL ready and he certainly is joining a much better team. For those reasons, he'll very likely have better rookie stats at which point there will be all manner of articles about how the Ducks blew it. Maybe they did - but we likely won't know for several years.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I'm pretty sick of seeing Fantilli's name. I wish I could mute it. Half the time I want to read something about Carlsson (a Duck!) I have to read about some other dude who's not on the team and never was.

 

[Deuce22]

I'm pretty sick of seeing Fantilli's name. I wish I could mute it. Half the time I want to read something about Carlsson (a Duck!) I have to read about some other dude who's not on the team and never was.

The "I told you so" gang is reserving that right.

 

[Leonardo87]

I'm pretty sick of seeing Fantilli's name. I wish I could mute it. Half the time I want to read something about Carlsson (a Duck!) I have to read about some other dude who's not on the team and never was.

Unfortunately, Carlsson and Fantilli are going to be compared their entire careers. What Fantilli does has no bearing on the Ducks other than when he is playing against them.

I could care less how successful Fantilli is, all I care about is Carlsson reaching at least close to his highest potential in Anaheim.

 

[HanSolo]

Looking forward to watching him and the rest of the Ducklings at the rookie tournament.