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Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

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Mr Rogers said:
Oh yeah, we definitely are on the same page preferring Getzlaf but they were both outstanding players for sure. We would be fortunate if Carlsson came to have an impact similar to either of them. I think these guys because they weren’t Crosby/Malkin are downplayed a bit as top Cs in their era. Getz especially has never been a darling around here but Backstrom imo can be overlooked too. The guy was phenomenal
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True I’d be thrilled with Carlsson becoming Backstrom or even slightly worse than that.

I just want him to be a clear 1C
 
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FiveTacos said:
I'll be satisfied if he reaches Backstrom level. But thrilled, I'll reserve for if he reaches Sundin / Forsberg territory.
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That may be a bit lofty, as you're talking about the two greatest Swedish forwards in history. Forsberg was also a physical beast who could dish out hits with the best of them. Sundin also had bite to his game, and when he was young, he was downright dirty with his stick and physical after the whistle and in the paint. Forsberg also had moments where he was considered "The best player in the world" so I would curb those expectations for Carlsson.

I think a bigger Backstrom should be the goal. Barkov / Kopitar are also decent stylistic comparisons.
 
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I don't find these comparison conversations very fruitful, especially at this juncture. All it does is amplify expectations in a manner that isn't realistic. No two players are similar enough that you can meaningfully compare them when one hasn't played a single game in the NHL.
 
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Boxscore said:
That may be a bit lofty, as you're talking about the two greatest Swedish forwards in history. Forsberg was also a physical beast who could dish out hits with the best of them. Sundin also had bite to his game, and when he was young, he was downright dirty with his stick and physical after the whistle and in the paint. Forsberg also had moments where he was considered "The best player in the world" so I would curb those expectations for Carlsson.

I think a bigger Backstrom should be the goal. Barkov / Kopitar are also decent stylistic comparisons.
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I dont think he has Forsbergs winning mentality, that was the scariest part of him. But he could be a good playoff player.

Let Carlsson play one season in NHL at least, and then lets evaluate.
 
Backstrom also hit the ground running in the NHL (70 & 88 points in years 1/2), but he played in the SHL for a year after his draft. Barkov went straight to NA hockey at 18 and didn't break out until year 3 at age 20.

I'd love the see Carlsson play for the Gulls/Ducks next year, but another year of SHL development as a 1C isn't a big deal either.
 
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Reveille1984 said:
Backstrom also hit the ground running in the NHL (70 & 88 points in years 1/2), but he played in the SHL for a year after his draft. Barkov went straight to NA hockey at 18 and didn't break out until year 3 at age 20.

I'd love the see Carlsson play for the Gulls/Ducks next year, but another year of SHL development as a 1C isn't a big deal either.
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It isn't a big deal for him development-wise but it's a huge deal for me impatience-wise lol
 
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Leonardo87 said:
We could have three 1C’s in 1-2 years, if things pan out. Which is nuts. It’s not very far-fetched either. Someone will go to wing and I expect it to be Z. But we shall see.
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This scorecard for Z's defensive rating trajectory has me cracking up!

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Leonardo87 said:
Yeah I love Z, but I feel he is destined for wing. I think that is another reason we chose Carlsson. Who has strong two way potential as well.
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I like Carlsson b/c his game is very similar to McTavish's game where they both do a lot of little things on the ice that don't show up on the scoreboard, but helps the team score or win. Both love keeping puck possession b/c they anticipate where the play or puck is going to be.

The first St. Louis match up on a back-to-back against the Blues probably was foreshadowing. We promoted McTavish to 2C and Strome moved from 2C to 2RW.



The first two periods were a disaster for the team except for the Vatrano-McTavish-Strome line. The changes in the third period stayed for the next game.



We need a stronger C down the middle as Z was eventually displaced from 1C by McTavish in the middle of the season, game 39. Eventually Z earned 1C duties again, but McTavish stayed at 2C. A 1-2 punch of McTavish-Carlsson future will make us a better club.
 
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Hockey Duckie said:
I like Carlsson b/c his game is very similar to McTavish's game where they both do a lot of little things on the ice that don't show up on the scoreboard, but helps the team score or win. Both love keeping puck possession b/c they anticipate where the play or puck is going to be.

The first St. Louis match up on a back-to-back against the Blues probably was foreshadowing. We promoted McTavish to 2C and Strome moved from 2C to 2RW.



The first two periods were a disaster for the team except for the Vatrano-McTavish-Strome line. The changes in the third period stayed for the next game.



We need a stronger C down the middle as Z was eventually displaced from 1C by McTavish in the middle of the season, game 39. Eventually Z earned 1C duties again, but McTavish stayed at 2C. A 1-2 punch of McTavish-Carlsson future will make us a better club.
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If you think about it. How many times was Strome and Rico taking face offs for Z? I think Z will be able to play his game better on the wing and have someone else worry more about the defensive aspects……with that said still needs to be responsible. I am curious how he will do under Cronin.
 
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Vaakou said:
News in Sweden today, is quoting Leo saying that it's NHL or back to SHL.

www.aftonbladet.se

Leo Carlsson: ”Satsar på ta plats i NHL”

Örebro har kämpat för att få Leo Carlsson fokusera på SHL. Supertalangen skulle också vara en nyckelspelare i ett slagkraftigt Juniorkronorna till hemma-JVM i G
www.aftonbladet.se www.aftonbladet.se
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Good. Don’t have any interest in AHL time for him
 
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Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t agree with the two-way forward remarks from the media on Carlsson. He isn’t bad defensively but I don’t see a standout defensive game or anything, and that’s fine. Also I’ve always felt like two-way forward denotes somewhat of a limit to offensive upside which I don’t think he has, but that could just be my understanding of the term.
 
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Mr Rogers said:
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t agree with the two-way forward remarks from the media on Carlsson. He isn’t bad defensively but I don’t see a standout defensive game or anything, and that’s fine. Also I’ve always felt like two-way forward denotes somewhat of a limit to offensive upside which I don’t think he has, but that could just be my understanding of the term.
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Did you think Bergeron or Kesler had limits to their offensive upsides?
 
Mr Rogers said:
Kesler absolutely did, and Bergeron was a later bloomer offensively. and like i said, it might've just been my understanding based on the majority of players that term is used for.
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Yeah, I guess it's a definition question. I would never call Kesler offensively limited considering how good he was offensively, but offense-first forwards will always generate more points due to spending more time in the offensive zone and not defending as hard.
 
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Mr Rogers said:
Kesler absolutely did, and Bergeron was a later bloomer offensively. and like i said, it might've just been my understanding based on the majority of players that term is used for.
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Barkov is probably the top two-way forward in the league and he's been over a point per game player for 4 of the last 5 seasons

Fedorov and Datsyuk are considered two of the greatest two-way forwards of all time and they both put up a ton of points

I don't think there's any implication of an offensive upside limit with a Two-Way forward at all, with that said I agree and don't think Carlsson is a two-way forward at all, he's just an extremely skilled playmaking center, his defensive game from my viewing is average at best, Fantilli is more what I would consider a two-way forward.
 
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Boxscore said:
That may be a bit lofty, as you're talking about the two greatest Swedish forwards in history. Forsberg was also a physical beast who could dish out hits with the best of them. Sundin also had bite to his game, and when he was young, he was downright dirty with his stick and physical after the whistle and in the paint. Forsberg also had moments where he was considered "The best player in the world" so I would curb those expectations for Carlsson.
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As great as Forsberg was, I never bought him as the best player in the world. He wasn't even the the clear cut best center on the team, IMO, although that is in no way denigrating him considering Sakic is an all time great himself.
 
Static said:
The aversion to the AHL is annoying. If you want to learn on the small ice then come over and learn. It won't matter anyway, he's going to play with the big club. I'd be shocked if he was sent back.
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What makes you so confident?
 
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