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Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

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SmokeyDuck said:
Much rather get a high iq player than a more physical player. As much as I want a physical 1c they don't age well.
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High IQ is all that counts. Physicality is very different, we've seen it in the discussion about Hampus. Getzlaf was also physical but not punishing. Fantilli is more of the hitter but like you said, they might age not as well. Carlsson shows so many little things that need some kind of toughness (board play) and combine this with his projected IQ, this is something that makes me really excited.

What I still wonder, how much can Fantilli still improve regarding skating and to fill out his body. I mean, Leo has a lot of room to do so. It will be interesting where this ends. In some kind I hope we have a Foppa type of guy (without the edge obviously).
 
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I loved how Getzy could take it over physically in a playoff series. That's what I miss the most outside of his leadership. I think Fantilli is super intriguing with physicality and his skills but yeah Carlsson is not completely soft either. I saw him paste grown men in some SHL and World Championship highlights, it's just not something he leads with. He plays a smart and versatile game and he will push people around if he needs, it seems. But the physicality is probably similar to Lindholms – he's not focusing his game around it, he plays the "smart" way instead and while he can be physical, he can be but he's not Trouba.
 
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Kalv said:
I loved how Getzy could take it over physically in a playoff series. That's what I miss the most outside of his leadership. I think Fantilli is super intriguing with physicality and his skills but yeah Carlsson is not completely soft either. I saw him paste grown men in some SHL and World Championship highlights, it's just not something he leads with. He plays a smart and versatile game and he will push people around if he needs, it seems. But the physicality is probably similar to Lindholms – he's not focusing his game around it, he plays the "smart" way instead and while he can be physical, he can be but he's not Trouba.
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I've always said, if you have the puck and can protect it, no need to hit. Carlsson is going to be a puck hound, and will strip people from the puck, and has the body to take the hit and lay a hit as well. I don't want to see a guy hitting everyone in an opposing sweater. Want to see someone who is not afraid to go to the dirty areas, can protect the puck, strip the puck, and make line-mates better. That is Carlsson right there.
 
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Kalv said:
I loved how Getzy could take it over physically in a playoff series. That's what I miss the most outside of his leadership. I think Fantilli is super intriguing with physicality and his skills but yeah Carlsson is not completely soft either. I saw him paste grown men in some SHL and World Championship highlights, it's just not something he leads with. He plays a smart and versatile game and he will push people around if he needs, it seems. But the physicality is probably similar to Lindholms – he's not focusing his game around it, he plays the "smart" way instead and while he can be physical, he can be but he's not Trouba.
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In some of Carlsson's scouting videos, the commentators all say similar things. I'll paraphrase the sentiment, "While Carlsson possesses the capacity to do flashy plays, he only does it when the opportunity presents itself. Most times a simple play is the most effective play."

Carlsson is an efficient player, a calculating player. I've seen Carlsson dish some heavy checks, but usually it's when the opportunity presents itself and it doesn't take him out of the play. His #1 priority is puck possession and his Elite Prospects card reflects that.

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Similarly, Lindholm is all about puck possession being his priority, which is preventing the other team from scoring by getting to the puck first in the DZ, winning puck battles in the DZ, and exiting the puck in the DZ. Lindholm is a physical player, but it's not his priority. He is known as a shutdown defenseman.

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Sean Garrity said:
I don’t need nor want my future #1 center to be punishing. I hated when Getzlaf had to fight, PK and block shots because of lack of options. Not that Getzlaf couldn’t and of course Situationally I don’t mind it, but in my mind I pay my #1 center to put the puck in the net or give significant help getting the puck in the net. I don’t pay them to hit, fight, kill penalties, etc. You can find those skills from lesser players.

From my albeit limited view of Leo, what I’ve seen is he already knows how to use his frame against men and as he continues to grow that frame it will become more effective and potentially enhanced in to more body contact to separate players from the puck.
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I disagree. I prefer my #1 center to be punishing for sure. Now, I despise when the GM (hint f***ing hint Verbeek) constructs the roster in a manner that requires your top players to have to be the punishers on the team. However, I'd much rather my #1 center have the ability to than not.
 
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Hockey Duckie said:
In some of Carlsson's scouting videos, the commentators all say similar things. I'll paraphrase the sentiment, "While Carlsson possesses the capacity to do flashy plays, he only does it when the opportunity presents itself. Most times a simple play is the most effective play."

Carlsson is an efficient player, a calculating player. I've seen Carlsson dish some heavy checks, but usually it's when the opportunity presents itself and it doesn't take him out of the play. His #1 priority is puck possession and his Elite Prospects card reflects that.

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Similarly, Lindholm is all about puck possession being his priority, which is preventing the other team from scoring by getting to the puck first in the DZ, winning puck battles in the DZ, and exiting the puck in the DZ. Lindholm is a physical player, but it's not his priority. He is known as a shutdown defenseman.

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Even though Hampus Lindholm is the best defenseman on the Anaheim Ducks, he'll never gain the national attention he deserves.
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People always undervalue guys that make the simple plays that make their linemates better. If you can get a couple of those guys together that play very unselfish and excel and making the simple plays you can build a ton of chemistry and really do a good job dominating puck possession.
 
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Duck Off said:
I disagree. I prefer my #1 center to be punishing for sure. Now, I despise when the GM (hint f***ing hint Verbeek) constructs the roster in a manner that requires your top players to have to be the punishers on the team. However, I'd much rather my #1 center have the ability to than not.
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It's nice, but the main thing I consider when deciding if a player is soft or not is how he handles physical play AGAINST him. Does the guy still make plays in a grinding, ugly contest? That's what matters.
 
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Duck Off said:
I disagree. I prefer my #1 center to be punishing for sure. Now, I despise when the GM (hint f***ing hint Verbeek) constructs the roster in a manner that requires your top players to have to be the punishers on the team. However, I'd much rather my #1 center have the ability to than not.
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As I mentioned in my post, I agree with the bolded. Situationally I want them to have the ability to do everything, but not necessarily on an every shift basis. I think we're saying the same thing lol.
 
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Boxscore said:
If Carlsson ends up a bigger, stronger, Nicklas Backstrom, will Ducks fans be happy?
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For me, a bigger, stronger Backstrom is already the full expectation...not an aspirational one.

My test will be how his goal scoring touch develops. He is brilliant in every other area of the game but if he can also become a 35 (or even 40) goal scorer then the Ducks will have a legit superstar. I'm pretty optimistic that he will get there. Then I'll be pretty darned happy.
 
tomd said:
You think he'll fall short of Backstrom? I sure don't.
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Backstrom was amazing in his prime. I could see him ending up below, at, or above. Maybe like 1/3 chance of each. He’s really what made that team work imo more than anyone else
 
tomd said:
You think he'll fall short of Backstrom? I sure don't.
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Well it's impossible to predict right now, but Backstrom has scored over 1,000 points in the NHL, is a Cup champion, and is 94th all-time in NHL PPG -- ahead of superstars like Mahovlich, Gartner, Alfredsson, St. Louis, Giroux, Recchi, Modano, Thornton, Getzlaf, Hossa, Sedin, Spezza, Shanahan, Zetterberg, Kopitar, Marchand, Heatley, Damphousse, Yashin, etc. And, without blinking, you fully expect that already? If he ends up this player, he might go down as the greatest Duck ever, definitely Top-3.
 
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Mr Rogers said:
Backstrom was amazing in his prime. I could see him ending up below, at, or above. Maybe like 1/3 chance of each. He’s really what made that team work imo more than anyone else
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well, Carlsson is supposed to be a franchise player so that is my expectation. Especially when the organization passed on one (maybe two) other franchise-labeled players. And remember, Backstrom played pretty much his whole career passing to Ovechkin. That sure didn't hurt his numbers.
 
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I think some need to temper their expectations a bit. He hasn’t played a second of NHL hockey and he’s supposed to be the next Backstrom?
 
tomd said:
For me, a bigger, stronger Backstrom is already the full expectation...not an aspirational one.

My test will be how his goal scoring touch develops. He is brilliant in every other area of the game but if he can also become a 35 (or even 40) goal scorer then the Ducks will have a legit superstar. I'm pretty optimistic that he will get there. Then I'll be pretty darned happy.
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Getzlaf scored over 30 goals once in his Ducks' career. We view Getzlaf as a superstar.
 
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Boxscore said:
Well it's impossible to predict right now, but Backstrom has scored over 1,000 points in the NHL, is a Cup champion, and is 94th all-time in NHL PPG -- ahead of superstars like Mahovlich, Gartner, Alfredsson, St. Louis, Giroux, Recchi, Modano, Thornton, Getzlaf, Hossa, Sedin, Spezza, Shanahan, Zetterberg, Kopitar, Marchand, Heatley, Damphousse, Yashin, etc. And, without blinking, you fully expect that already? If he ends up this player, he might go down as the greatest Duck ever, definitely Top-3.
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Yes I expect him to be that in his prime. Otherwise the Ducks very likely passed on two other players who could be franchise players. I fully expect Carlsson to put up 80-100 points in his prime.

12ozPapa said:
I think some need to temper their expectations a bit. He hasn’t played a second of NHL hockey and he’s supposed to be the next Backstrom?
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Wait, I spent the last 3 months seeing him compared to Backstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, and Barkov and now my expectations should be tempered? I'm not expecting that in September but I am expecting it 3-4 years down the line. You're not??
 
Personally, I don’t like when prospects are compared to players like that. Too much. He’s a kid, a very talented one, but to anoint him the next Backstrom/whoever is a bit much - same goes for other prospects.
 
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