Value of: Legit youngish starter to Ottawa

[NyQuil]

Goalies are so hard to predict that giving up assets for one seems misguided.

You don’t need to draft a goalie in the first round so it’s still something Ottawa can work towards.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Well Sens fans behaved like he had

No, no they didn’t. No one claimed that Talbot was the goalie of the future, no one claimed that goaltending was sorted out.

You are making things up.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Tough spot if you deal for Hart and it doesn't click your stuck because it will cost you a ton....Or you could go older ufa route like Varlamov and Hope he stays healthy settles the net allowing your young guys to possibly step up.....

 

[SlafCaufield]

No, no they didn’t. No one claimed that Talbot was the goalie of the future, no one claimed that goaltending was sorted out.

You are making things up.

a lot of you claimed the goaltending had been figured out after the summer of pierre

its all right there in the trade thread

MASTERCLASS lol

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

One thing for sure Ottawa is a team on the rise just gotta get get average goaltending....Fun team to watch when they are clicking

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

a lot of you claimed the goaltending had been figured out after the summer of pierre

its all right there in the trade thread

MASTERCLASS lol

Interesting that you didn’t reply to my last post lol, almost as if it made you look foolish and, as usual, talking out of your backend so you ignored it…

 

[bernmeister]

Flames Markstrom is a fit, but he is a hit and miss gamble and not cheap at 6 x 3 after this season, and does CGY think Wolf is ready?

Pipe dream to imagine BOS is stupid enuf to allow either G to go.

Not too many options.
You get what you pay for.

Like I said previously, bite the bullet, do Sanderson for Shesterkin.
High value for high value.

NY does that b'c cap needs, and they have Shesty replacement Garand, if not immediately available, soon enuf w/stopgap hold the fort by Halak and ufa Talbot, who played well for us, and we still have G coach guru Benoit Allaire.

Sanderson would be a major wince, but getting legit Vezina quality is not to be sniffed at.


Don't want to go there?
Fine.
But realistic options to upgrade in net are extremely limited and expensive and you have depleted draft capital.

Shesty is a given

 

[lanky]

If you're trying to acquire a young goalie with a good track record as an NHL starter then you're not going to like the trade cost. If you're trying to acquire a young goalie with lots of potential, then there's way more candidates and the price will be easy to stomach.

The list of guys that fit in the first category is pretty short. We could go through their trade availability and hypothetical cost one by one pretty quickly.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'll take a goalie who can be a 1b, don't care about the age.

 

[jbeck5]

OP sounds like he's looking for a goalie to cover up for the defensive deficiencies that are in Ottawa.....Basically looking for a top 5 goalie in the league.

The cost of that would be insane.

Nothing indicates that Carter Hart, John Gibson or Dan Vladar would not suffer in Ottawa, much like other goalies they've tried in the last 5 years

I don't know if he needs to be a top 5 goalie.

In his years in Ottawa, I think only one year did Anderson get any significant vezina votes. He was generally seen as a 10-15 ranked starter. I'm sure some had him as low as 20 most seasons.

But he was able to mask the deficiencies of weaker rosters than next year's sens.

Just someone who can post a .910 - .915 sv%. Doesn't have to be a .920-.930 vezina candidate.

 

[Fatass]

I don't know if he needs to be a top 5 goalie.

In his years in Ottawa, I think only one year did Anderson get any significant vezina votes. He was generally seen as a 10-15 ranked starter. I'm sure some had him as low as 20 most seasons.

But he was able to mask the deficiencies of weaker rosters than next year's sens.

Just someone who can post a .910 - .915 sv%. Doesn't have to be a .920-.930 vezina candidate.

Do the Sens give up a lot of high danger chances? If they do, Maybe it’s more their play style than the goalie?

 

[KevinRedkey]

I'm just reading through the Talbot trade thread in this forum and is laughable that you think Sens fans werent claiming that Dorion had just pulled off a masterclass and fixed the goaltending

you can keep lying to yourself if that makes you feel better but your smug attitude about it doesnt make you correct

You're missing the part where Forsberg gets injured. Sens fans were happy going into the season with two 1B options, seeing as one would likely take the reigns. Forsberg getting injured changed thelat entirely.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

We should sign Andersen to a short contract, I don't see many people lining up to give him insane money.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Flames Markstrom is a fit, but he is a hit and miss gamble and not cheap at 6 x 3 after this season, and does CGY think Wolf is ready?

Pipe dream to imagine BOS is stupid enuf to allow either G to go.

Not too many options.
You get what you pay for.

Like I said previously, bite the bullet, do Sanderson for Shesterkin.
High value for high value.

NY does that b'c cap needs, and they have Shesty replacement Garand, if not immediately available, soon enuf w/stopgap hold the fort by Halak and ufa Talbot, who played well for us, and we still have G coach guru Benoit Allaire.

Sanderson would be a major wince, but getting legit Vezina quality is not to be sniffed at.


Don't want to go there?
Fine.
But realistic options to upgrade in net are extremely limited and expensive and you have depleted draft capital.

Shesty is a given

Sanderson will cost NYR more in a year than shesterkin.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

We should sign Andersen to a short contract, I don't see many people lining up to give him insane money.

Would be an interesting add but I am not sure he’d want to return to a Canadian market. No inside info just a guess.

He is, unfortunately, also somewhat injury prone. Not too sure we can risk that given the injury concerns with Forsberg.

 

[Flan the incredible]

This is another thing literally no one claimed, but that you need to make up so that you can pretend to get one over on someone, anyone, rather than the other way around (again and again and again, almost every time you click “post reply”)

This is false. I remember arguing with Sens fans about their goaltending when a portion of your fan base was saying the Sens are a playoff team.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Lol yeah Sens fans sure were proclaiming Talbot as the goalie of the future

Talbot was expected to be an upgrade to our goaltending and provide stability in tandem with Forsberg. Between inconsistent play and injury to both of them, that didn’t happen.

If you find me one Sens fan who speaks about Talbot starting for us more than 2 yrs down the road I’ll delete my account. You won’t find it, though, because you can only ever make points that are based on complete fabrications and exaggerations

Wow talk about moving the goal posts. Now its uh well okay some Sens said Talbot was a good goalie and he isn't anymore to uh well show me where a Sens fan said a 35 year old goalie would be on the team on 2 years.....Come on

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Wow talk about moving the goal posts. Now its uh well okay some Sens said Talbot was a good goalie and he isn't anymore to uh well show me where a Sens fan said a 35 year old goalie would be on the team on 2 years.....Come on

Lol. In a thread about acquiring a goalie for the future, in which someone says “I thought this was settled last offseason”, I’M moving the goalpost by saying “if people claimed our goaltending was solved moving forward, why can’t you show me anyone saying Talbot is anything more than a max 2yr stop gap”??

Haha. Ok. Ttyl.

 

[NyQuil]

Do the Sens give up a lot of high danger chances? If they do, Maybe it’s more their play style than the goalie?

It's definitely a significant part of it IMO.

It's why a lot of Sens fans are clamouring for a new coach to see our team under a different structure.

 

[Petes2424]

Carter Hart would be the perfect fit for the Sens, as they enter their window coming up here.

The team is 2-3 moves away from becoming a very viable team for an extended period of time. Maybe less if their young guys keep pushing their development.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I liked alot of the moves Ottawa has done but I just dont understand their timing, why trade 7th overall for DeBrincat when ur clearly still behind Boston, Toronto and Tampa?
why pay to move Murray in such a deep draft year just to trade the young goalie they have been developing to become their starter for a old guy well past his prime? I just dont understand that part

 

[Golden_Jet]

I liked alot of the moves Ottawa has done but I just dont understand their timing, why trade 7th overall for DeBrincat when ur clearly still behind Boston, Toronto and Tampa?
why pay to move Murray in such a deep draft year just to trade the young goalie they have been developing to become their starter for a old guy well past his prime? I just dont understand that part

I cans see both sides on your first point, but Murray had to go, especially with 2 years remaining on his deal at the time.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I cans see both sides on your first point, but Murray had to go, especially with 2 years remaining on his deal at the time.

ok fair enough and the price to move him wasnt anything crazy but the moves after that I just dont understand

 

[jbeck5]

Do the Sens give up a lot of high danger chances? If they do, Maybe it’s more their play style than the goalie?

But they gave up high danger chances with Anderson who wasn't regarded as a top 5 goalie and he was able to put up sv% of .915-.930.

I would think they're looking for someone like him a decade ago...someone who can come in and be a top 10-20 goalie. Someone who can give them like a .910 to .915 sv%

 

[jbeck5]

ok fair enough and the price to move him wasnt anything crazy but the moves after that I just dont understand

Debrincat, like, chychrun, isn't a rental move.

You make it sound like they were old guys that they brought as a rental to put them over the top...

When in reality it was that the sens had 5 top 6 forwards and 3 top 4 d, so they brought in a 24 year old 40 goal scorer to ADD to their core moving forward. They added a 24 year old defenseman to ADD to their core moving forward.

They now have 6 top 6 forwards and 4 top 4 d, so they can work on shoring their bottom 6 and bottom pair.

I don't understand the confusion on your end.

You're essentially confused why a young team with holes in their lineup filled those holes with young good players to keep? I legitimately don't understand your complaint.