You are right, they have been way too complacent since the Nordiques are gone. This is ridiculous as hell.
Lefebvre Discussion
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You are right, they have been way too complacent since the Nordiques are gone. This is ridiculous as hell.
Gravity
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The Great Weal
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tainted lol, you make him sound like the plague
He is the plague. PPG McCarron became a fringe NHLer, rookie of the year Scherbak became a big disappointment.
Gravity
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I agree he's terrible. I think he gets what Michel got this year, fired midway through the season. Your wording was just funny
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I agree he's terrible. I think he gets what Michel got this year, fired midway through the season. Your wording was just funny
That is if Bergevin doesn't give him a 5 year extension
Gravity
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Molson and Bergevin are. Julien doesn't coach a single game with the Habs and he gets 5 years. Bergevin has yet to bring real success to this team and Molson signed him for a super long contract.
Gravity
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You're too pessimistic. Wasn't Therrien fired like the 1st year into a 5 year extension? Signing Julien is like trading for Tavares and giving him an extension before he plays. His reputation makes him worth it.
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So after wishing Lefebvre had a magic wand, you guys expect Timmins to have a chrystal ball and hit for 1.000 at the bat every years despite drafting that low so many times? I thought my point was clear, when Timmins has a chance to pick high, he basically never miss.. On another hand, when you draft low its tougher for any teams to get a quality NHLer, projections are tougher to do, you need some luck and there are very few players that turn into NHLers.. I try to understand your logic, for example in 2004, you are giving me one name, Zajac, that you suggest Timmins should have drafted over Chipchura if he was a competent head scout, right? So thats the only name you have to give me, Travis Zajac? An average second line center with basically 0.5 pts\ game rate? While you are crying on Zajac, take a look at the long list of busts around where we picked.. You see now? No? ok..
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Just another thing broken on this team. The defense, the center line, the drafting, the development...
Literally everything important in a team. We have this doofus GM trying to trade his way into a cup, yet he derides fans saying this isn't playstation. Of all the GMs in the league, he might be the one closest to making playstation like decisions.
Lefebvre is freaking moron, worse than Therrien, this is inexcusable.
Literally everything important in a team. We have this doofus GM trying to trade his way into a cup, yet he derides fans saying this isn't playstation. Of all the GMs in the league, he might be the one closest to making playstation like decisions.
Lefebvre is freaking moron, worse than Therrien, this is inexcusable.
I think I'm pretty fair regarding Bergevin... happy to give the guy props for plenty of good moves, criticize him for the bad, and give him the benefit of the doubt when there were multiple variables at play.
But this is pure fertilizer crap. Honestly, I can't make sense of it. How does any employee put up a series of zeroes on his resume and walk away with a new contract?? Sure, there's an argument that Timmins shares the blame for all these failed picks, but at least he has a track record that says he can draft well. But Sylvain LeZero has frikkin zero.
But this is pure fertilizer crap. Honestly, I can't make sense of it. How does any employee put up a series of zeroes on his resume and walk away with a new contract?? Sure, there's an argument that Timmins shares the blame for all these failed picks, but at least he has a track record that says he can draft well. But Sylvain LeZero has frikkin zero.
No real surprise here is it, folks?
Our GM is a former plug grinder and so are all the buddies he's hired including SL. Mediocre former player, mediocre GM, mediocre drafting, mediocre development, mediocre outlook, mediocre shot at a Cup. The silver lining here is that we don't really have any real prospects left to develop anyway so coaching in the AHL is largely a moot point.
Geoff "Mediocre" Molson should be proud. He's letting the patients run the asylum. Bravo.
Our GM is a former plug grinder and so are all the buddies he's hired including SL. Mediocre former player, mediocre GM, mediocre drafting, mediocre development, mediocre outlook, mediocre shot at a Cup. The silver lining here is that we don't really have any real prospects left to develop anyway so coaching in the AHL is largely a moot point.
Geoff "Mediocre" Molson should be proud. He's letting the patients run the asylum. Bravo.
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It been 4/5 years, The AHL team isn't winning, there doesn't seem to be anyone progressing, the team is moving to Laval seem normal that you would not give him one more year and bring in some new blood.
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Lefebvre will be heavily scrutinized if he is in fact returning.
The guy is so good that no one hired him for their NHL staff despite several staff turnovers across the league. His friend Phil Housley, who was finally named head coach, also wants nothing to do with him.
Nobody wants this guy, obvious to everyone except MB.
The guy is so good that no one hired him for their NHL staff despite several staff turnovers across the league. His friend Phil Housley, who was finally named head coach, also wants nothing to do with him.
Nobody wants this guy, obvious to everyone except MB.
A Loyal Demidog
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I never knew this story, but !
"After winning the Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in 1996, Lefebvre was involved in an incident that attracted media attention. As part of tradition, each player on the Stanley Cup winning team can take personal possession of the trophy for a day during the summer following the championship, a practice that has led to several misadventures. When it was his turn, Lefebvre decided to have his daughter baptized in it."
!"After winning the Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in 1996, Lefebvre was involved in an incident that attracted media attention. As part of tradition, each player on the Stanley Cup winning team can take personal possession of the trophy for a day during the summer following the championship, a practice that has led to several misadventures. When it was his turn, Lefebvre decided to have his daughter baptized in it."
WatchfulElm
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This thread is funny. I'm amazed by the level of pure hatred toward a coach nobody here has ever been coached by, that nobody knows personally, and whose team very few people here have followed on a nightly basis other than on the scoresheet. The intensity of the hatred is totally insane. The board has decided to make him the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the farm system and everybody is following the herd like... goats!
And before somebody screams "but look at THE RESULTS!", let me tell you something : no coach in the world can make a bad team be a good team. Mike Sullivan, now considered among the top coaches in the NHL, was once fired by the Bruins from failing to get any result. Mike Babcock, widely considered as the best coach in the NHL, has failed to bring his team far in the playoffs for many years. Should the Leafs fire him?
I'm not even saying that Lefebvre is a good coach. The truth is that, like 100% of the people on this board, I have no idea because I have no first hand experience of his coaching methods. All I know is that fans usually judge a coach's competency by the results only, and that's normal because that's the only part of his record that we can actually get a grip on. And when the management of a team decides to follow the herd too, that sometimes leads to bad decisions... like the Bruins firing Sullivan.
So I don't know about Lefebvre. All I know is that I'm happy that we have a GM who, by everyone's account, is a very hard worker (Timmins interview today is worth watching), who believes stability in an organisation is important, who chose the people he thinks are the best in every position, and who won't let a herd of hateful and impatient armchair quarterbacks make him change his stance everytime the wind changes direction. And for that, I applaud him.
And before somebody screams "but look at THE RESULTS!", let me tell you something : no coach in the world can make a bad team be a good team. Mike Sullivan, now considered among the top coaches in the NHL, was once fired by the Bruins from failing to get any result. Mike Babcock, widely considered as the best coach in the NHL, has failed to bring his team far in the playoffs for many years. Should the Leafs fire him?
I'm not even saying that Lefebvre is a good coach. The truth is that, like 100% of the people on this board, I have no idea because I have no first hand experience of his coaching methods. All I know is that fans usually judge a coach's competency by the results only, and that's normal because that's the only part of his record that we can actually get a grip on. And when the management of a team decides to follow the herd too, that sometimes leads to bad decisions... like the Bruins firing Sullivan.
So I don't know about Lefebvre. All I know is that I'm happy that we have a GM who, by everyone's account, is a very hard worker (Timmins interview today is worth watching), who believes stability in an organisation is important, who chose the people he thinks are the best in every position, and who won't let a herd of hateful and impatient armchair quarterbacks make him change his stance everytime the wind changes direction. And for that, I applaud him.
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Bergevin appears to have an issue distancing himself from those he appoints, when the time comes to evaluate their performances and making them accountable. And that goes for scouting and development equally. Five years is more than enough time to decide if someone has done the job. I don't care how hard Bergevin works or how hard his minions say he works, at the end of the day, hard work is only one ingredient amongst many that contributes to success.
We need a GM that works both hard and smart, not just one who gets cheap accolades about working the phones, who allegedly gets up every day and wonders how to make the team better (hint: take a closer look at those you have given jobs for life) or who is in constant contact with every GM in the league -- I wouldn't be surprised if all GMs "work hard" and they all do what Bergevin does. Somehow, some of them are getting results that Bergevin can't. Maybe it's time to give a sendoff to those who are toxically too close to him, who are severely impairing his judgment -- and one of the low hanging fruits in this department is Lefebvre.
Goldenhands
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Very good post, nobody really know how competent Lefebvre is for the job, I know his first goal is players development over win must mode, but one thing I know he has very few good players to work with.. I would be more worried if kids we drafted like Tinordi would blossom elsewhere but its not happening yet.
DesmondDekker
Let's diddly go !
Competition within the PQ market would force the Habs to step up their game big time. Coaching staff, scouts, getting local talent and so on. As soon as the Quebec team would make a good move, Montreal would be forced to make something happen as well otherwise they'd lose a part of the bandwagoners' market. Hence that's why Molson does not want a rival team in his backyard.
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GlassesJacketShirt
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No offense, but I would reconsider these two paragraphs cause they practically sabotage your entire case.
