Proposal: Led Zubpelin's When The Leddy Breaks: COL + DET + OTT

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Value favours you guys by a lot.

Maybe short term. But I'd much rather have Byram and Newhook for the next 10 years than those 4 guys for the next 1-2.

 

[Perennial]

So, they trade Larkin now, and then Fabbri next off-season, and in 2-3 more years of adding high draft picks and elite young talent, who plays 1C then? Or do they then trade Zadina/Seider/Raymond for more picks/prospects and never actually bother building a team that can actually compete?

Fabbri is a UFA next off-season, so he would be moved at the trade deadline...

Ideally, the Red Wings would find their future 1C in one of the upcoming drafts, or perhaps that need could be filled through free-agency in 2-3 years when their young core is ready to contend

 

[CanadienShark]

I see it very differently...

I like it best for the Red Wings, with Colorado unlikely to accept

And this "makes no sense for Ottawa" talk needs to stop...

Newhook's upside could see him have a Barzal-like impact at the NHL level... it makes all kinds of sense for the rebuilding Sens to gamble on a 20 year old with that much potential

You know what makes no sense? Jumping naked off a 20 storey building an hour before your wedding to the woman of your dreams... now that's a head-scratcher

You're so painfully obviously an Avs fan. Why propose it if it's not good for your team? Spoiler: it is good.

Newhook very likely won't end up like Barzal. You're going off his top end potential and assuming he'll hit the ground running.

Nearly everyone in this thread has been saying your offer sucks. Instead of fighting everyone, maybe take another look at the proposal.

Maybe short term. But I'd much rather have Byram and Newhook for the next 10 years than those 4 guys for the next 1-2.

I can understand the argument of wanting high end players for longer, but I still think this makes the Avs better now and for the foreseeable future, which puts them in the best situation to win a cup.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ottawa hangs up phone, and gets their number changed, on proposed deal.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Fabbri is a UFA next off-season, so he would be moved at the trade deadline...

Ideally, the Red Wings would find their future 1C in one of the upcoming drafts, or perhaps that need could be filled through free-agency in 2-3 years when their young core is ready to contend

In other words, there is no long term plan, only a few hopes and potential options. Out of curiosity, who was the last UFA 1C that's better than Larkin?

 

[PAZ]

Value favours you guys by a lot.

How does this favor the Avs, when the only piece they'd be remotely interested in is Larkin - and even then there are way more enticing pieces out there. The pieces the Avs actually need are already on the team in Newhook + Byram. If the Avs go all in, they already have plenty of other trade chips available in Barron, Helleson, Kaut, Bowers, Olauffson, Jost, Foudy, etc.

This would be like saying the Sharks should've traded Hertl + Burns back at the start of the 2012-13 season for a bunch of 1-2 yr rentals to go all-in because the trade value favored you guys. I'm not saying Byram + Newhook will have the same careers as those two, just that they would've had similar values back then.

 

[Avaholic29]

It’s incredible how clueless people are to the value of top end prospects and their ELC years plus team control. There shouldn’t even be a debate and byram is very clearly undervalued in these threads. Avs say no, I’d struggle to trade byram for larkin alone, adding newhook for zub and Connor brown? No shot.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

You're so painfully obviously an Avs fan. Why propose it if it's not good for your team? Spoiler: it is good.

Newhook very likely won't end up like Barzal. You're going off his top end potential and assuming he'll hit the ground running.

Nearly everyone in this thread has been saying your offer sucks. Instead of fighting everyone, maybe take another look at the proposal.



I can understand the argument of wanting high end players for longer, but I still think this makes the Avs better now and for the foreseeable future, which puts them in the best situation to win a cup.

The 4 players coming back all have 2 years or less remaining on their current contracts. So, the Avs would get 2 years of a slightly better chance at the Cup. That isn't worth giving up 10+ years of contending.

 

[Perennial]

You're so painfully obviously an Avs fan. Why propose it if it's not good for your team? Spoiler: it is good.

Newhook very likely won't end up like Barzal. You're going off his top end potential and assuming he'll hit the ground running.

Nearly everyone in this thread has been saying your offer sucks. Instead of fighting everyone, maybe take another look at the proposal.



I can understand the argument of wanting high end players for longer, but I still think this makes the Avs better now and for the foreseeable future, which puts them in the best situation to win a cup.

Stick to what you know...

I didn't read anything you had to say beyond the bolded

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not one fan base likes the trade, how is this still going.

 

[CanadienShark]

Stick to what you know...

I didn't read anything you had to say beyond the bolded

Good. Hopefully you not only stop reading, but also stop posting.

 

[CanadienShark]

How does this favor the Avs, when the only piece they'd be remotely interested in is Larkin - and even then there are way more enticing pieces out there. The pieces the Avs actually need are already on the team in Newhook + Byram. If the Avs go all in, they already have plenty of other trade chips available in Barron, Helleson, Kaut, Bowers, Olauffson, Jost, Foudy, etc.

This would be like saying the Sharks should've traded Hertl + Burns back at the start of the 2012-13 season for a bunch of 1-2 yr rentals to go all-in because the trade value favored you guys. I'm not saying Byram + Newhook will have the same careers as those two, just that they would've had similar values back then.

That comparison is really bizarre and I totally disagree.

The 4 players coming back all have 2 years or less remaining on their current contracts. So, the Avs would get 2 years of a slightly better chance at the Cup. That isn't worth giving up 10+ years of contending.

That's a fair point about term. I thought Larkin had 4-5 years.

 

[Perennial]

Good. Hopefully you not only stop reading, but also stop posting.

You're welcome to stop clicking on my threads...

 

[Perennial]

Not one fan base likes the trade, how is this still going.

I've never understood why that's relevant...

For starters, I don't think a poster's opinion should carry more weight simply because they root for a team involved in a proposal

And secondly, I didn't make the proposal to appease a fan base, I'm sharing what I would do. Whether others support that, regardless of the team they cheer for, is inconsequential

 

[CanadienShark]

You're welcome to stop clicking on my threads...

I, like everyone else, would prefer you stopped clogging up the boards with them.

 

[CanadienShark]

I've never understood why that's relevant...

For starters, I don't think a poster's opinion should carry more weight simply because they root for a team involved in a proposal

And secondly, I didn't make the proposal to appease a fan base, I'm sharing what I would do. Whether others support that, regardless of the team they cheer for, is inconsequential

It's relevant because you started a thread with a proposal that no one likes, and you sit here arguing with everyone who tells you it sucks. Maybe instead of fighting everyone, just realize your proposal needs more thought.

 

[Perennial]

I, like everyone else, would prefer you stopped clogging up the boards with them.

Anybody who feels that way is welcome to put me on ignore...

 

[McJedi]

That comparison is really bizarre and I totally disagree.



That's a fair point about term. I thought Larkin had 4-5 years.

If the Avs are trading Byram, coming back to Colorado needs to be a 1st line wing on long term deal. Someone like Kyle Conner.

 

[CanadienShark]

If the Avs are trading Byram, coming back to Colorado needs to be a 1st line wing on long term deal. Someone like Kyle Conner.

That doesn't really make sense. They've got two 1st line wingers. An upgrade on Kadri would benefit the team far more.

 

[Perennial]

It's relevant because you started a thread with a proposal that no one likes, and you sit here arguing with everyone who tells you it sucks. Maybe instead of fighting everyone, just realize your proposal needs more thought.

I couldn't have been more clear just now in the message you quoted...

I'm sharing what I would do, I don't care if others approve

 

[CanadienShark]

I couldn't have been more clear just now in the message you quoted...

I'm sharing what I would do, I don't care if others approve

Not sure if you understand, but you posted that response AFTER my post. Should I have time travelled back to remove it?

 

[Perennial]

Not sure if you understand, but you posted that response AFTER my post. Should I have time travelled back to remove it?

This back and forth isn't how I want to spend my time on the Trade Board...

 

[PAZ]

That comparison is really bizarre and I totally disagree.

How is it a bizarre comparison? Hertl was still a prospect coming over from the Czech league who put up good but not great numbers. Burns first season with the Sharks was quite average after struggling on the Wild. Meanwhile the Sharks had their core of Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Vlasic, etc. all in their prime. Both Burns and Hertl weren’t even close to core pieces heading into that season. So what is it you disagree with?

 

[CanadienShark]

How is it a bizarre comparison? Hertl was still a prospect coming over from the Czech league who put up good but not great numbers. Burns first season with the Sharks was quite average after struggling on the Wild. Meanwhile the Sharks had their core of Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Couture, Vlasic, etc. all in their prime. Both Burns and Hertl weren’t even close to core pieces heading into that season. So what is it you disagree with?

Burns was what, like 27 at the time? Hertl wasn't that level of prospect. The comparison makes no sense at all. I understand what you're trying to say, but the comparison is bizarre. Burns was traded for to become a core piece. We gave up a lot for him.

 

[DarthProbert]

Colorado gives up 3D with that depth chart for a 2C they don't need. Detroit gives up the only shot at a 1C in their entire system for someone to play 2nd pair behind Seider. Genius.