Proposal: Led Zubpelin's When The Leddy Breaks: COL + DET + OTT

[TBF1972]

So my point still stands, Johnson wont waive for Detroit. And Larkin alone is worth just as much as Byram. Detroit's D pipeline both LD/RD is among the very best in the league. So it's still a no go we need Center depth period.

My comment wasn't meant to defend the proposal. I just pointed out your misunderstanding.

 

[Sting]

This is quite frankly, atrocious value for Ottawa.

 

[Perennial]

This is quite frankly, atrocious value for Ottawa.

I disagree...

 

[Legionnaire]

A for effort with the title.

 

[Madap]

Man I get your whole shtick is to make trades with clever names to them, but at least try to make them realistic. They’ve been awful recently.

Try to make a name around a trade, not a trade around a name.

 

[BurgoShark]

No one even got your nice joke

They just rambled on

Maybe they did both

 

[Perennial]

Man I get your whole shtick is to make trades with clever names to them, but at least try to make them realistic. They’ve been awful recently.

Try to make a name around a trade, not a trade around a name.

Very rarely is a title premeditated... and even then, I wouldn't force a player into a trade because it fits the title... otherwise Miles Wood would've been in my Tkachuk proposal

Of course, you're welcome to believe otherwise...


With that said, if we're pointing out awful contributions to the Trade Board, your response provided nothing of value to this thread...

Are you here simply to be critical of others, or do you have a detailed analysis of the proposal you'd like to share with us?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Detailed analysis..

Ottawa fans hate the trade. They're giving up pieces that make them worse for a nebulous improvement and take on 10M for the fun of it.
Detroit fans hate the trade. We give up our only top line caliber C while holding 6M for the next year and 3M for year two on Larkin and Leddy AND take on two years of Erik Johnson (who won't waive to come here) so that we can add Bowen Byram. While Byram is a very good to exceptional D prospect, we've got Seider on the cusp, just drafted Simon Edvinsson for the left side, and have a rock solid defense corp of prospects. This is the dictionary definition of trading a weakness to strengthen a strength.

Both teams aren't looking to extend their rebuild out another couple years just because you don't put stock in actually trying to win hockey games.

Colorado fans hate it because they're trading away a guy who could easily be a top pairing guy with Cale Makar for them for the next decade. They think they're trading the best player in the deal.

All three teams involved with your trade think it is a bad offer and doesn't line up with what they want. This shuffles around a bunch of assets and I don't know how much it does for anyone at the end of the day.

 

[McJedi]

Take Detroit out of this proposal as well. In fact, take this proposal and its ridiculous name out and shoot it in the face.

I don't care if the value is even okay for Detroit (don't want to get into Larkin for Byram or whatever)... Detroit doesn't need to be trading pretty much the only C of any top line talent we have on the roster or in the system right now for even a really good defensive prospect.

If you're going to ignore the needs of teams in your proposals, you shouldn't be making them.

E: And no, "Rebuilding teams don't have needs" isn't an answer. If you trade Larkin, the Red Wings have Pius Suter at C. And that's it. Pius Suter was just non-tendered by Chicago. We're talking adding another several years to the rebuild here if you want to trade away the one guy who can actually center a top line from Detroit. Because even if we land Shane Wright or Bedard... they're a couple years away from being legit Cs. Rebuilding teams need legitimate NHL talent while they're rebuilding or you're the early 2010s Oilers or the Sabres from now and you've got no damn future, even if you're landing lottery picks.

Bowen Byram is the same level prospect as Sieder. Detroit and the Avs should be building around these guys. Byram scored a nasty upper corner snipe last night in Vegas. Was 1-1-2 points with a +2 in Vegas playing with the Avs AHL roster vs 2/3rds of Vegas real roster. Byram is an elite prospect.

Larkin is your 1C. He’s also core. This trade proposal is garbage.

 

[ThankGord]

Detroit has invested the majority of its recent top draft picks into defensemen and is very thin at center. This proposal does not take Detroit’s needs into consideration at all. Easily declined.

 

[McJedi]

Detroit has invested the majority of its recent top draft picks into defensemen and is very thin at center. This proposal does not take Detroit’s needs into consideration at all. Easily declined.

Unless Sieder or Raymond is coming to the Avs for Byram, Avs are out as well. A very easy trade for the Avs to reject.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Easy no from Ottawa

 

[jbeck5]

Ottawa and Detroit aren't finished products, they barely have 3 lines of NHL calibre players between them...

Do you really need to see where Gagner and Namestnikov fit into Detroit's lineup this season?

You think Ottawas problem is icing NHL players rather than lacking top end talent????

 

[jbeck5]

I disagree...

Actually? Try listing the trade from Ottawa's point of view and you'll see.

 

[GuerinUp]

why on earth would detroit do this?

 

[ThankGord]

Unless Sieder or Raymond is coming to the Avs for Byram, Avs are out as well. A very easy trade for the Avs to reject.

No interest in Raymond or Seider for Bryam either.

 

[Perennial]

Detroit has invested the majority of its recent top draft picks into defensemen and is very thin at center. This proposal does not take Detroit’s needs into consideration at all. Easily declined.

As I've already said, I think a rebuilding team's primary need is elite young talent, so the proposal absolutely takes Detroit's needs into consideration...

 

[Perennial]

why on earth would detroit do this?

Because Byram is a 20 year old with the potential to be a franchise Dman

I feel like you should've been able to connect those dots yourself

 

[McJedi]

No interest in Raymond or Seider for Bryam either.

All three are showing potential to be elite franchise players. Why in the hell would any of them get traded? These are not B+ or even A- prospects. These are A+ level prospects.

Sieder could face Byram at the Olympics some day as key players for Team Sweden vs Team Canada. They both have that kind of potential.

Byrams defensive analytics were excellent in his games last year. He is already a better defender than Makar.

He had to play 27 minutes in the role of the Avs 1D in a regular season win vs Vegas. Both TSN and Sportsnet were speculating he could be a team Canada player at the 2022 Olympics in a 7th D type role. Byram was 19 last season. He turned 20 in July for Pete’s sake. Let’s trade him? It’s too stupid to entertain as a viable thought.

 

[ThankGord]

As I've already said, I think a rebuilding team's primary need is elite young talent, so the proposal absolutely takes Detroit's needs into consideration...

That’s a shallow understanding of Detroit’s needs. Our prospect depth is strong on defense and weak at center so trading our only legit top six center (and Captain) to add to a position of strength does not make any sense.

 

[Perennial]

That’s a shallow understanding of Detroit’s needs. Our prospect depth is strong on defense and weak at center so trading our only legit top six center (and Captain) to add to a position of strength does not make any sense.

You may not think the reasons to make the trade justify it, but to act as though the reasons don't exist is disingenuous

I didn't think Colorado's acquisition of Kuemper was good asset management, and it's not a trade I would have made...

But I'm not saying it doesn't make any sense, it's just not what I would've done

 

[Golden_Jet]

Avs out: Byram, Newhook, Johnson, MacDermid
Avs in: Larkin (50% retained), Leddy (50% retained), C. Brown (50% retained), Zub

Red Wings out: Larkin, Leddy (50% retained)
Red Wings in: Byram, Johnson

Sens out: Larkin (50% retained) C. Brown (50% retained), Zub
Sens in: Newhook, MacDermid, (Larkin)


Colorado go all in by adding multiple upgrades throughout their lineup, while also clearing the remaining 2 years of Johnson's contract

Detroit get a stud LD prospect for their rebuild. Larkin can gain some playoff experience with Colorado and then re-sign with the Red Wings as a UFA in 2 years when their young core is ready to contend and Johnson's contract is coming off the books

Ottawa add an elite prospect to their talented young core. MacDermid is a thrown-in simply to make the cap space work


Colorado's lineup:
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Nichuskin - Larkin - Burakovsky
Compher - Kadri - Brown
Maltsev - Jost - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Leddy - Girard
Murray - Zub

Lol, Ottawa retains on 3 guys, and ends up with a worse team.

 

[Perennial]

Lol, Ottawa retains on 3 guys, and ends up with a worse team.

They retain on 2 guys, and end up with the player with the highest upside who also happens to be under team control for the next half decade or so

 

[ThankGord]

You may not think the reasons to make the trade justify it, but to act as though the reasons don't exist is disingenuous

I didn't think Colorado's acquisition of Kuemper was good asset management, and it's not a trade I would have made...

But I'm not saying it doesn't make any sense, it's just not what I would've done

Apples and oranges. It made a lot of sense for Colorado to trade draft picks to acquire a starting goaltender. They may have overpaid but the premise is solid.

 

[GuerinUp]

Because Byram is a 20 year old with the potential to be a franchise Dman

I feel like you should've been able to connect those dots yourself

except larkin is worth more... especially at 50% retained.

and this leaves a gaping hole at c.

Id have a hard time believing detroit would do this even if they got newhook and byram without retaining larkin.