Proposal: Led Zubpelin's When The Leddy Breaks: COL + DET + OTT

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Unless Sieder or Raymond is coming to the Avs for Byram, Avs are out as well. A very easy trade for the Avs to reject.

See Raymond you might be able to talk me into. I know Byram's gonna be a damn good D. I think Raymond is going to be an upper end wing. That would be super tempting.

Seider is an absolute no-go, because we'd just be swapping really good defensemen, and I like everything about Seider to much to just swap him for another guy on remotely even footing. It would have to be a notable upgrade on Seider for me to entertain moving him.

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Because Byram is a 20 year old with the potential to be a franchise Dman

I feel like you should've been able to connect those dots yourself

Maybe...

However, Larkin coming off of 23 pts in 44 games, injuried, without his #1 linemate in Bertuzzi, and having minimal games with Vrana, its a harrrrrrrrrrd no.

Thats all. Move on with the ridiculous trade offer.

By now, you should know how this game works.

PS- Detroit will surprise a lot of people this year.....making the playoffs is out of the question for a lot of outside sources, but this team has a ton of potential. Big prospects playing for a spot on the team. Gone are the days of Neilson, Helm, Filppula, etc.

Adios homeslice.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Because Byram is a 20 year old with the potential to be a franchise Dman

I feel like you should've been able to connect those dots yourself

And Larkin is a just turned 25 year old 1C with a 32 goal, 73 points in 76 games season on his resume. Plus, the Wings already have a 20 year old with the potential to be a franchise Dman in Seider. And just drafted Edvinsson 6th OA this year.

Or am I connecting the wrong dots?

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

As I've already said, I think a rebuilding team's primary need is elite young talent, so the proposal absolutely takes Detroit's needs into consideration...

Your opinion on a "rebuilding team's needs" is not representative of a damn thing. You don't win hockey games on an Excel sheet. You don't win them by having the most raw talent. The Wings are attempting to build a roster that plays together, that has chemistry, and that allows the young guys to learn the NHL as they're playing. Trading for or drafting elite talent just to have elite talent is how you become the Edmonton Oilers of the early 2010s and you draft in the top 5 for many consecutive years. The Wings have no quality center depth if this trade is made and are putting it to Joe Veleno, Michael Rasmussen, and Pius Suter to try to revive their hopes there. By dealing Leddy, you're hurting their NHL depth that will allow guys like Seider to transition into the league and learn.

It's funny that you think this addresses our needs in any way.

 

[tucker3434]

The Avs aren't trading ELC's off the active roster. That makes zero sense. We need that value. All that's available are picks and non-roster prospects.

 

[avsfan9]

In two years Byram and Newhook are going to be the best players listed here and cost controlled. Avs would be dumb to do this

 

[Perennial]

except larkin is worth more... especially at 50% retained.

and this leaves a gaping hole at c.

Id have a hard time believing detroit would do this even if they got newhook and byram without retaining larkin.

I disagree...

 

[Perennial]

And Larkin is a just turned 25 year old 1C with a 32 goal, 73 points in 76 games season on his resume. Plus, the Wings already have a 20 year old with the potential to be a franchise Dman in Seider. And just drafted Edvinsson 6th OA this year.

Or am I connecting the wrong dots?

Larkin is a 1C in the same way Craig Anderson is a #1 goalie...

And since that 32 goal, 73 point season... he's posted 28 goals, 76 points over his last 115 games

Do you think rebuilding teams should stop trying to acquire additional young talent with franchise potential because they already one?

 

[Mac Attack]

No from this Av's fan. I don't want the team to go 'all in.' I want a large contending window for the cup, even with a stacked lineup its tough and involves luck every year.

 

[Perennial]

No from this Av's fan. I don't want the team to go 'all in.' I want a large contending window for the cup, even with a stacked lineup its tough and involves luck every year.

Well said...

 

[Kupo]

Larkin is a 1C in the same way Craig Anderson is a #1 goalie...

And since that 32 goal, 73 point season... he's posted 28 goals, 76 points over his last 115 games

Do you think rebuilding teams should stop trying to acquire additional young talent with franchise potential because they already one?

It’s a shitty proposal. But that was expected. Larkin is a 1C. Unfortunately he hasn’t been playing on a competitive team the last few years and his numbers are a reflection of that.

In a vacuum, everything here is wrong. Sens shouldn’t be included. Too many moving parts. And the value is off. You went 0/3 and you have the audacity to disagree with pretty much everyone in this thread that’s telling you it’s an awful proposal.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Funny title though..

Getting the Led out anytime is a great thing !!

 

[Shaman464]

It’s a shitty proposal. But that was expected. Larkin is a 1C. Unfortunately he hasn’t been playing on a competitive team the last few years and his numbers are a reflection of that.

In a vacuum, everything here is wrong. Sens shouldn’t be included. Too many moving parts. And the value is off. You went 0/3 and you have the audacity to disagree with pretty much everyone in this thread that’s telling you it’s an awful proposal.

Larkin isn't a 1c. Not saying he's garbage, but he's a 2c on a good team.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Larkin isn't a 1c. Not saying he's garbage, but he's a 2c on a good team.

I could see him being a solid 1C in a situation where he’s flanked by some amazing wingers. Kinda like Landeskog with us (different playstyle aside).

He’s a top end piece, but a complimentary top end piece.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

It’s a shitty proposal. But that was expected. Larkin is a 1C. Unfortunately he hasn’t been playing on a competitive team the last few years and his numbers are a reflection of that.

In a vacuum, everything here is wrong. Sens shouldn’t be included. Too many moving parts. And the value is off. You went 0/3 and you have the audacity to disagree with pretty much everyone in this thread that’s telling you it’s an awful proposal.

That's his M.O. though. Thinks up a title he thinks is clever and comes up with an awful proposal that doesn't work for anyone so he can share his "genius". And if you disagree with him or explain why it is an awful proposal based on it not reflecting the wants/needs of the team (because he's not a fan of any of these franchises, so he doesn't understand what their rosters are trying to do), he'll just dig in the mud and say "I think you're wrong." Repeat when a new "clever title" pops into his head.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Larkin is a 1C in the same way Craig Anderson is a #1 goalie...

And since that 32 goal, 73 point season... he's posted 28 goals, 76 points over his last 115 games

Do you think rebuilding teams should stop trying to acquire additional young talent with franchise potential because they already one?

If Larkin gets traded, who is the 1C in Detroit? Just because he isn't McDavid doesn't mean you throw him away before you have someone capable of replacing him. And, Detroit was the worst team in the NHL 2 seasons ago (2019-20). They have scored 39 fewer team goals than any other team in the NHL in the last 2 seasons. Do you think that's 100% because of Larkin, or do you think that's maybe more of a result of the team around him, and his numbers are down as a result? I'm leaning towards the latter.

And, I think rebuilding teams need to have more than just a bunch of young franchise potential defensemen in order to be successful. And Detroit already has 2 defensemen (Seider and Edvinsson) who were recently drafted 6OA and have franchise potential. They don't have a replacement 1C if they move Larkin. Why would Yzerman create a massive hole in his lineup in order to add a third high potential D prospect? And what's the long term plan at 1C? Will they eventually trade one of the D they've stockpiled for a C prospect that might potentially become what Larkin already is? Or just keep losing games until they eventually draft a 1C?

 

[Shaman464]

I could see him being a solid 1C in a situation where he’s flanked by some amazing wingers. Kinda like Landeskog with us (different playstyle aside).

He’s a top end piece, but a complimentary top end piece.

That makes him a plug. And Landeskog is a 2nd line center that benefits a lot of from playing against softer matchup compared to MacK.

 

[McJedi]

That makes him a plug. And Landeskog is a 2nd line center that benefits a lot of from playing against softer matchup compared to MacK.

Landy is a 1st line LW dude. I don’t think he’s ever played C.

Landy benefits from being a really well rounded and hyper competitive hockey player. There is a reason he wins a lot and wears the C. It’s not just luck or soft matchups.

He’d be Detroit’s best player this season if on that roster. Which is a disgusting thought.

I like Larkin a lot. He’s a rock solid top line player. But a tier below Landy as an NHL talent. Two or three tiers below Mack and Rants.

 

[Perennial]

If Larkin gets traded, who is the 1C in Detroit? Just because he isn't McDavid doesn't mean you throw him away before you have someone capable of replacing him. And, Detroit was the worst team in the NHL 2 seasons ago (2019-20). They have scored 39 fewer team goals than any other team in the NHL in the last 2 seasons. Do you think that's 100% because of Larkin, or do you think that's maybe more of a result of the team around him, and his numbers are down as a result? I'm leaning towards the latter.

And, I think rebuilding teams need to have more than just a bunch of young franchise potential defensemen in order to be successful. And Detroit already has 2 defensemen (Seider and Edvinsson) who were recently drafted 6OA and have franchise potential. They don't have a replacement 1C if they move Larkin. Why would Yzerman create a massive hole in his lineup in order to add a third high potential D prospect? And what's the long term plan at 1C? Will they eventually trade one of the D they've stockpiled for a C prospect that might potentially become what Larkin already is? Or just keep losing games until they eventually draft a 1C?

My approach during a rebuild is that it doesn't matter since Detroit's primary goal during the next couple of seasons should be adding high draft picks and elite young talent, not trying to win as many games as possible

Let Fabbri play 1C this season... despite playing 3 fewer minutes per game, his .6 PPG since joining the Red Wings is higher than what Larkin averaged last season. Showcase Fabbri for 20+ minutes a game on a line with Vrana and Bertuzzi, and the pending UFA may end up highly coveted at the trade deadline

So, not only do the Red Wings add an elite young talent in Byram, moving Larkin opens up an opportunity for Fabbri to increase his trade value around the league which could add another 1st and/or prospect to their rebuild effort

 

[CanadienShark]

Avs make out like absolute bandits. Detroit gets screwed. Makes no sense for Ottawa.

Only the Avs do this.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Avs make out like absolute bandits. Detroit gets screwed. Makes no sense for Ottawa.

Only the Avs do this.

No, they really don't. Byram and Newhook are going nowhere.

 

[CanadienShark]

That makes him a plug. And Landeskog is a 2nd line center that benefits a lot of from playing against softer matchup compared to MacK.

What? Landeskog is a 1st line LW. Your description of him is basically the opposite of reality.

 

[CanadienShark]

No, they really don't. Byram and Newhook are going nowhere.

Value favours you guys by a lot.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

My approach during a rebuild is that it doesn't matter since Detroit's primary goal during the next couple of seasons should be adding high draft picks and elite young talent, not trying to win as many games as possible

Let Fabbri play 1C this season... despite playing 3 fewer minutes per game, his .6 PPG since joining the Red Wings is higher than what Larkin averaged last season. Showcase Fabbri for 20+ minutes a game on a line with Vrana and Bertuzzi, and the pending UFA may end up highly coveted at the trade deadline

So, not only do the Red Wings add an elite young talent in Byram, moving Larkin opens up an opportunity for Fabbri to increase his trade value around the league which could add another 1st and/or prospect to their rebuild effort

So, they trade Larkin now, and then Fabbri next off-season, and in 2-3 more years of adding high draft picks and elite young talent, who plays 1C then? Or do they then trade Zadina/Seider/Raymond for more picks/prospects and never actually bother building a team that can actually compete?

 

[Perennial]

Avs make out like absolute bandits. Detroit gets screwed. Makes no sense for Ottawa.

Only the Avs do this.

I see it very differently...

I like it best for the Red Wings, with Colorado unlikely to accept

And this "makes no sense for Ottawa" talk needs to stop...

Newhook's upside could see him have a Barzal-like impact at the NHL level... it makes all kinds of sense for the rebuilding Sens to gamble on a 20 year old with that much potential

You know what makes no sense? Jumping naked off a 20 storey building an hour before your wedding to the woman of your dreams... now that's a head-scratcher