Series Talk: Leafs vs Lightning Pre-Playoff Thread

[Gary Nylund]

Keefe is beyond stupid

P.S. keefe is a stupid moron

Judging by your posts, compared to you Keefe is a genius. JMHO.

 

[Rob Brown]

Hypocrisy!

You whine about other poters because they don't post like how "you want to see them" and then others they are whining.

welcome to the internet where people speak their mind as they see fit. if you don't like it ignore it. If you gonna poke the bear you are gonna get it back with full force

I'm not whining about you, I'm giving you an unsolicited opinion that you sound overly negative and childish all the time.

And lol yes, I'm really feeling the 'full force' here. Well done.

 

[PromisedLand]

Judging by your posts, compared to you Keefe is a genius. JMHO.

you are free to think what you like. your judgment means as much to me as movie critics giving reviews

p.s. don't mean much

 

[Stephen]

It has been one of our best pairings all year.

Putting Schenn over Liljegren one year after watching Lyubushkin suck game after game, and then watching Schenn do the same thing for 15 games this year, is the real problem.

There's no problem with Schenn. He fills a different role relative to a Liljegren and it doesn't come down to an either or but what you need at a particular time in a series. Maybe you need a Schenn to set the tone early or to weather a push back game by Tampa. Maybe you need Liljegren to add to the skill mix to build on a series lead defending on how Tampa is playing.

Ideally we would have a Shea Weber in his prime who could give us a number one defenseman and Schenn like abilities, but we don't and have to do it by committee.

Schenn also defends differently compared to our higher skilled defensemen. There's a lot more slack in his game and he'll concede ice to protect the inside. Given the chance, he'll eat you on the wall. But it means more perimeter and zone time spent in our own end. It's a tactical trade off that doesn't mean anything if you're able to limit high danger opportunities and the other team is just looking for a parking space.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm not whining about you, I'm giving you an unsolicited opinion that you sound overly negative and childish all the time.

And lol yes, I'm really feeling the 'full force' here. Well done.

I did not ask for your opinion as I did not quote your post first. You asked quoting my post and then went to say how i am being 1) negative, 2) childish,

basically name calling me while I didn't anything to you. May be i should call the hypocrisy of your posts where you are pretending yours are better than everyone else's if they don't agree with your opinion?

If you wanna see everything the way you like to see it' put your money where your mouth is; get a server and start your own hockey board.

I am getting sick and tired of posters calling other posters childish, negative, whatever....

 

[Atomos2]

Ok now back to the lineup. I don't mind it. Obviously there are upsides and downsides to every lineup but the core 5 (and I mean O'Reilly not Rielly) are the ones that need to get it done. I like Schenn in there. We need a bouncer to clear that net. I am worried about that pairing though.

No excuses.

 

[Rob Brown]

I did not ask for your opinion as I did not quote your post first. You asked quoting my post and then went to say how i am being 1) negative, 2) childish,

basically name calling me while I didn't anything to you. May be i should call the hypocrisy of your posts where you are pretending yours are better than everyone else's if they don't agree with your opinion?

If you wanna see everything the way you like to see it' put your money where your mouth is; get a server and start your own hockey board.

I am getting sick and tired of posters calling other posters childish, negative, whatever....

I know you didn't ask my opinion, that's what unsolicited means. And to use your own point from earlier - welcome to the internet where people speak their mind as they see fit.

And sure, you're tired of being called negative, but go off on tirades about how other people are stupid, gutless, and morons. Got it.

Anyways, enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

Ok now back to the lineup. I don't mind it. Obviously there are upsides and downsides to every lineup but the core 5 (and I mean O'Reilly not Rielly) are the ones that need to get it done.

No excuses.

Agreed, and definitely some areas that we'll see tweaked throughout the series. Last year we started with Simmonds, Clifford, and Liljegren, and that changed fairly quickly.

 

[PromisedLand]

I know you didn't ask my opinion, that's what unsolicited means. And to use your own point from earlier - welcome to the internet where people speak their mind as they see fit.

And sure, you're tired of being called negative, but go off on tirades about how other people are stupid, gutless, and morons. Got it.

Anyways, enjoy the rest of your afternoon.

I called Keefe a stupid moron for his line up decision. Show me a post of mine where I am calling other posters xyz?

And yes welcome to the internet where people "speak their mind" so take that like a champ and stop being a hall monitor of "how to say things"

the hypocrisy of your posts are astounding. what even more amazing is that you don't see it

 

[PROUD PAPA]

ROR and rhe new additions have to remain vocal on the bench.and whenever he normally would be. Not that he needs to be told but if I were Keefe I would encourage him to be that "rah rah, let's go" guy with a 10 second chat.

All of the players respect him, Schenn, Acciari, McFabe et all, and they all want and need the vocal encouragement/leadership. Even Mattyngets involved.

I know whenever I played sports I was defiitely thst guy. Quiet away from the gym or field but definitely reminding the team to get it going. We and lose as a.team, no passengers. When others did it In listened.

Beat T.B and grab ths Cup.

I noticed McCabe is like that. For a new guy to the team he's already a leader on the vocal support from the bench group. It's great to see him embrace this team so tightly. Plus he's probably stoked for his first ever playoff appearance which BTW looks to be right up his alley.

 

[Rob Brown]

I noticed McCabe is like that. For a new guy to the team he's already a leader on the vocal support from the bench group. It's great to see him embrace this team so tightly. Plus he's probably stoked for his first ever playoff appearance which BTW looks to be right up his alley.

Yeah there was that one clip of him last week on the bench where he seemed super vocal and upbeat. He had a really solid game against Tampa, especially with all those shot blocks. Excited to see how he looks this week.

 

[3blizzard4]

 

[Stephen]

ROR and rhe new additions have to remain vocal on the bench.and whenever he normally would be. Not that he needs to be told but if I were Keefe I would encourage him to be that "rah rah, let's go" guy with a 10 second chat.

All of the players respect him, Schenn, Acciari, McFabe et all, and they all want and need the vocal encouragement/leadership. Even Mattyngets involved.

I know whenever I played sports I was defiitely thst guy. Quiet away from the gym or field but definitely reminding the team to get it going. We and lose as a.team, no passengers. When others did it In listened.

Beat T.B and grab ths Cup.

Sounds like this group needs more raw raw guys. Sometimes the quiet, lead by example is just not good enough.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Pretty simple folks, Schenn over Lilly for Physical tools not talent. Keefe values what Schenn brings clearing the crease, hits, and standing up for team mates. If the series isn't as physical as he thought swap in Lilly

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Pretty simple folks, Schenn over Lilly for Physical tools not talent. Keefe values what Schenn brings clearing the crease, hits, and standing up for team mates. If the series isn't as physical as he thought swap in Lilly

I'd rather take talent. While Lily isn't overly physical, he's better at keeping the puck away from our net and that's all I really care about. He prevents guys from getting to the crease to begin with by often cutting the play off in the neutral zone before they get a chance to set up.

Keefe playing a worse player on purpose for the 2nd year in a row is silly and could be costly. Even at 12-13 minutes.

 

[Steven1562]

Anybody going to game 1? My buddy and I just got tickets and I can’t wait for Tuesday

Not going this year but went to game 1 last year and it was electric. Crowd was so loud and hyped. Never been to a louder game in my life. Lost my voice and it was worth it.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I'd rather take talent. While Lily isn't overly physical, he's better at keeping the puck away from our net and that's all I really care about. He prevents guys from getting to the crease to begin with by often cutting the play off in the neutral zone before they get a chance to set up.

Keefe playing a worse player on purpose for the 2nd year in a row is silly and could be costly. Even at 12-13 minutes.

I get you 100%, but the thing is what you are saying was Dubas' point when he came into the NHL. Would rather have the better player than the more physical one. And it didn't work and has never worked.

Every cup team has players like Schenn in their lineup despite not being the best talents. There is a reason for that and that is in the playoffs those guys matter

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

You thinking Schenn sucked for 15 games is the real problem here?

It's not always about points, He's been solid and brings a very useful element that we lacked, Schenn is what Boosh should of been. Also Schenn doesn't just wrestle people to the ground when the other team gets angry or forces you to answer the bell, Schenn will try to punch your face in and lands checks to hurt you (legally) and other teams know this. They're similar type player but with 2 different intents in how they play... Schenn is someone to keep an ice on when he's on the ice and know that if you get hit by him and want to fight him, it's not likely to be a good time, where as Nobody was afraid of Boosh's "grab and hold you tight until refs break it up or you both fall" type of response. Schenn is also great at net clearing where in playoffs everyone's trying to fight to screen your goalie.

Liljegren had his opportunity to secure his spot in the line up, but for what ever reason started to make a lot of bad decisions in his play near the end of the season when intensity was turned up. He's a better player than last year but experience is a thing. He'll get a few games in for sure, but you need Schenn on the roster Game 1 to set the tone like he did with Maroon a few weeks ago, especially when teams want to bully the Leafs, he gives us a meaner look on the back end and the guy you want during scrums around the net.

IMO it should be Gio-Lilly instead of Holl but Keefe trusts Holls PK ability more

Nobody on that Tampa team is afraid of Schenn, and he got caved in in his regular season games with us.

I'd rather just have the better player in Liljegren that prevents chances/shots against. I don't care how he does it, keep the damage to a minimum.

 

[kb]

I get you 100%, but the thing is what you are saying was Dubas' point when he came into the NHL. Would rather have the better player than the more physical one. And it didn't work and has never worked.

Every cup team has players like Schenn in their lineup despite not being the best talents. There is a reason for that and that is in the playoffs those guys matter

The issue is that playing Boosh and keeping lily in the pressbox might very well have been the very reason the Leafs lost.

And now Keefe is doubling down by sitting Lily again. If you can't trust him, trade him. IMO there is no need for both Holl and Schenn to be in the lineup at the same time.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I get you 100%, but the thing is what you are saying was Dubas' point when he came into the NHL. Would rather have the better player than the more physical one. And it didn't work and has never worked.

Every cup team has players like Schenn in their lineup despite not being the best talents. There is a reason for that and that is in the playoffs those guys matter

Colorado sat Macdermid for every playoff gane last year. It's fine to keep those guys around but you should always ice your best lineup.

 

[Stephen]

Nobody on that Tampa team is afraid of Schenn, and he got caved in in his regular season games with us.

They don't have to be afraid of Schenn, but they'll still have to eat his fists if they act out and get wrecked on the sidewall on the regular.

 

[HockeyVirus]

The issue is that playing Boosh and keeping lily in the pressbox might very well have been the very reason the Leafs lost.

And now Keefe is doubling down by sitting Lily again. If you can't trust him, trade him. IMO there is no need for both Holl and Schenn to be in the lineup at the same time.

No they lose because they scored 1 goal in game 7 and had bad penalty luck

Colorado sat Macdermid for every playoff gane last year. It's fine to keep those guys around but you should always ice your best lineup.

He is closer to a Simmonds than a Schenn. Schenn actually impacts the game and is not just a pair of fists.

 

[Stephen]

Colorado sat Macdermid for every playoff gane last year. It's fine to keep those guys around but you should always ice your best lineup.

Luke Schenn is Luke Schenn, which is probably somewhere halfway between Kurtis Macdremid and Josh Manson in quality and style of play. He's not going to give you an integrated big tough presence and top 4 quality. Jake McCabe is closer to that: he's better at everything else, but isn't as big and imposing as Schenn.

Schenn is the same guy who played 19 games out of 48 on the two Lightning cup runs in 2020 and 2021. He has a role to play and isn't going to be in the lineup every night. The Liljegren vs Schenn debate doesn't really make sense because both guys will be needed. As will Gustafsson.

 

[TheDoldrums]

The issue is that playing Boosh and keeping lily in the pressbox might very well have been the very reason the Leafs lost.

And now Keefe is doubling down by sitting Lily again. If you can't trust him, trade him. IMO there is no need for both Holl and Schenn to be in the lineup at the same time.

Holl and Schenn aren't very similar. Holl is the teams best PKer and plays on Stamkos' side, he's vital imo. But he's not very good at clearing the front of the net and being physical, which is what Schenn brings.

Let's not forget Lily got two playoff games last year and was terrible. I think he'll get into the playoffs at some point but I'm fine with him sitting to start.

 

[PromisedLand]

Pretty simple folks, Schenn over Lilly for Physical tools not talent. Keefe values what Schenn brings clearing the crease, hits, and standing up for team mates. If the series isn't as physical as he thought swap in Lilly

Why does Holl deserve to be in? He sucks under pressure. Did you see Holl in Game 6 OT against Bolts what he was doing when point scored? Or the interference penalty in Game 7 when JT scored and goal was called off?

Holl completely SUCKED in the entire playoffs against the bolts last season. Here is Keefe defending Holl when everyone media+fans saw how much Holl was sucking

Maple Leafs defend play of Justin Holl prior to Game 5 vs. Lightning

Toronto defenceman took heat from fans after Game 4 Sunday night, when a giveaway led to the opening goal in the game.

www.thestar.com

(I'll link the video if i find it. Keefe was being a snob answering that question in the media)


And here is Holl after Keefe's comments in Game 6 look at how that JACKASS goes to defend a bad angle shot while leaving the slot unprotected -> His job as a D-man

 

[TorMapleJays]

They don't have to be afraid of Schenn, but they'll still have to eat his fists if they act out and get wrecked on the sidewall on the regular.

he is also going to clear the front of the net, and be invaluable when it comes to goal mouth scrums.

Many forget how this series was played last year. Wide open, no.

My favorite part about Shenn is his ability to clear a puck off the glass and out… the first two rounds are going to be won in the muck.