24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[KJoe88]

Husso is a free agent after this season. His cap space can only be used in a trade this season

Ah right. Thank you.

 

[FMichael]

Maybe our coaching ruined them.

Maybe it's Maybelline

I will say without a moment of hesitation that Lalonde has been the #1 mistake made by Yzerman…Nothing comes close…Lalonde was f***ing terrible.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I will say without a moment of hesitation that Lalonde has been the #1 mistake made by Yzerman…Nothing comes close…Lalonde was f***ing terrible.

Maybe but his free agent signings have been dogshit too. Aside from Kane. He is basically the only one that has been good. Everyone else is mediocre to God awful.

 

[Avery Rule]

Rantanen come on down!

 

[KJoe88]

Rantanen come on down!

not gonna lie it’s been floating around in my head.

then again I’ve been very depressed today and not myself.

 

[Henkka]

Na I think the whole moving walman debacle was cause he was planning on adding trouba and that fell through

Never made sense to be in such a rush to move walman you had to attach a 2nd. We never should have wasted a 2nd on moving him,if anything we should have got a 2nd or at the least a 3rd

We could have used his offense on the back end this year if anything he could have been involved in a deal for another defender. Anyways nothing we can do about that trade now I just think moving maata was the best for the team as it gave Johansson the chance to shine

Who knows what might of happened if he stayed? Just use the 3rd we got for maata in a deal for another dman now. Faster the better

Edvinsson would have stayed down, and not promoted up until Määttä is traded.

And Johansson proably lost on waivers.

So, both moves enabled pretty good things happening. Ed did play from game1 and Johansson stayed as extra. Got his chance after Määttä was gone. We got a 3rd pick. And the circle went around, we got a pick for a lost pick (Walman). And that lost pick was get from Gibson <> Kiiskinen + 2nd as extra.

All in all, our kids took the roster spots.

Maybe everybody understands now and can stop the damn whining.

 

[jkutswings]

A whole lot of TBD. But I have no idea how the Hurricanes made that trade without more confidence that Rantanen would extend in Carolina.

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[redwingsfannn9191]

Edvinsson would have stayed down, and not promoted up until Määttä is traded.

And Johansson proably lost on waivers.

So, both moves enabled pretty good things happening. Ed did play from game1 and Johansson stayed as extra. Got his chance after Määttä was gone. We got a 3rd pick. And the circle went around, we got a pick for a lost pick (Walman). And that lost pick was get from Gibson <> Kiiskinen + 2nd as extra.

All in all, our kids took the roster spots.

Maybe everybody understands now and can stop the damn whining.

Theres no way Johansson would have been on waivers, he was one of our better dmen in g.r and yzerman wouldnt have exposed him

Edvinsson would have been up regardless. Maata's deal gave Johansson more of an opening. If walman stayed gustafsson wouldnt have been signed

People were saying the maata trade was a mistake and I simply said it wasn't and opened up a spot for johansson and losing walman and a 2nd was the bad move

You dont agree? Cool ... I'd rather have had walman + kept the 2nd and not have gustafsson

 

[Henkka]

At least Walman has higher Goals against numbers at San Jose vs. any of our current "bad" (Gustafsson, Petry, Holl) defenceman, so maybe someone would like to have a worse team.

He was just carried by Seider.

 

[izlez]

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Now that I see there is a source mentioning the name and I'm not just making it up, I once again ask would it would cost to bring in Morgan Geekie?

I see now that he is listed as left winger with Zacha and Pastrnak, but has also taken a lot of face offs. I'm looking at him as center depth in the short term and an undervalued player in the long term if he works out and re-signs

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

SY, just don't spend assets or cap space on non medium to longterm players.. we dont need anyone over 30..if the guy won't help in 2028 than nevermind

 

[Henkka]

Does Anaheim really need Trouba for anything?

Think we should go after him. If they could retain a bit of salary, or just take Holl as a cap dump (which makes the same thing). And we would add some prospect Verbeek knows and likes from our system.

Currently Trouba's salary is 6.0M for 2 last seasons, and caphit is 8.0M.

I wonder if he has some old chemistry with Gustafsson from the Rangers, so that would seal the 3rd pair.

Chiarot - Seider
Ed - Johansson
Gustafsson - Trouba

 

[HisNoodliness]

Edvinsson would have stayed down, and not promoted up until Määttä is traded.

And Johansson proably lost on waivers.

So, both moves enabled pretty good things happening. Ed did play from game1 and Johansson stayed as extra. Got his chance after Määttä was gone. We got a 3rd pick. And the circle went around, we got a pick for a lost pick (Walman). And that lost pick was get from Gibson <> Kiiskinen + 2nd as extra.

All in all, our kids took the roster spots.

Maybe everybody understands now and can stop the damn whining.

A bad move is a bad move regardless of whether you also made good moves.

Trading Gibson for Kiiskinen and a second was a good move. We got arguably the better prospect and a free second. No complaints there.

Trading that second and Walman for nothing was a bad move. We got rid of our second best defenseman and a pick for nothing.

Trading Maatta for a 3rd was a bad move. He was a solid steady contributor that played well and could stabilize his pairing. That's worth more to us than a third.

Making room for Edvinsson and AlJo was a good move. They're our second and third best defensemen right now.

Choosing to make room by getting rid of good players- Walman and Maatta- so that we could keep/sign bad players- Chiarot, Petry, Gus and Holl- was a bad move.

In sum total, sure it's a net positive and I'm ultimately happy with the way it's working out for the most part. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't criticize the mistakes we made and try to do better going forward.

If you win a hockey game 7-6, you can both be happy that your offense scored 7 goals and upset that your defense let in 6. Our amateur scouting did a great job. Our pro scouting did a terrible job.

Walman/Maatta-Seider
Ed-AlJo
Maatta/Walman-Chiarot/Petry/Holl

Is a defense that I'd much prefer to

Chiarot-Seider
Ed-AlJo
Holl/Gus-Petry/Gus
and there's no real reason that we couldn't have the former.

 

[Henkka]

A bad move is a bad move regardless of whether you also made good moves.

Trading Gibson for Kiiskinen and a second was a good move. We got arguably the better prospect and a free second. No complaints there.

Trading that second and Walman for nothing was a bad move. We got rid of our second best defenseman and a pick for nothing.

Trading Maatta for a 3rd was a bad move. He was a solid steady contributor that played well and could stabilize his pairing. That's worth more to us than a third.

Making room for Edvinsson and AlJo was a good move. They're our second and third best defensemen right now.

Choosing to make room by getting rid of good players- Walman and Maatta- so that we could keep/sign bad players- Chiarot, Petry, Gus and Holl- was a bad move.

In sum total, sure it's a net positive and I'm ultimately happy with the way it's working out for the most part. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't criticize the mistakes we made and try to do better going forward.

You make some moves for the long-term plan, which was always those prospects.

That's why the moves were made. Good or bad.

Many times the priority will be:

1. Keeping the best players.
2. Can't trade bad players, because they are bad.
3. So you trade the players who are wanted elsewhere --> to open the spots for our own kid core who'll deserve it.

It's pretty simple.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I feel like he are going to get Cozens and or another D man at the deadline.

 

[Henkka]

I feel like he are going to get Cozens and or another D man at the deadline.

Cozens 7.1M for Tarasenko 4.75M + incentives would add 2.35M in cap.

Trouba 8.0M for Holl 3.4M + incentives would add 4.6M in cap.

That would be total 8.95M

And our deadline space is projected to be 10.8M.

It would still leave room 1.85M for Kane/Kasper/Ed bonuses. If all the cap space is not used at the deadline roster, this space would still grow to season end, to include more bonuses not sliding to next year's cap.

 

[schuelma24]

I feel like he are going to get Cozens and or another D man at the deadline.

I don't see Cozens, at least during the season - seems like Buffalo wants proven players and I'd be surprised if Yzerman significantly changes the roster in a playoff push.

I think we'll see a 3rd pair D addition and a 3rd/4th liner who can kill penalties and help close out games (assuming Copp is out for a while).

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

At least Walman has higher Goals against numbers at San Jose vs. any of our current "bad" (Gustafsson, Petry, Holl) defenceman, so maybe someone would like to have a worse team.

He was just carried by Seider.

Cool , was still a bad trade

SY, just don't spend assets or cap space on non medium to longterm players.. we dont need anyone over 30..if the guy won't help in 2028 than nevermind

Ya I dont think hes gonna spend big assets on over 30 guys. I can see it for a cozens,pettersson,miller etc...

I can see him throwing a 3rd for someone but ya nothing major

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Does Anaheim really need Trouba for anything?

Think we should go after him. If they could retain a bit of salary, or just take Holl as a cap dump (which makes the same thing). And we would add some prospect Verbeek knows and likes from our system.

Currently Trouba's salary is 6.0M for 2 last seasons, and caphit is 8.0M.

I wonder if he has some old chemistry with Gustafsson from the Rangers, so that would seal the 3rd pair.

Chiarot - Seider
Ed - Johansson
Gustafsson - Trouba

I thought about that after the husso deal but I'm not sure if trouba still has his ntc intact, if so and his wife relocated to anaheim he wont move

And I'm not sure if yzerman goes after him, how many times would he keep going after someone who keeps rejecting him

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

A bad move is a bad move regardless of whether you also made good moves.

Trading Gibson for Kiiskinen and a second was a good move. We got arguably the better prospect and a free second. No complaints there.

Trading that second and Walman for nothing was a bad move. We got rid of our second best defenseman and a pick for nothing.

Trading Maatta for a 3rd was a bad move. He was a solid steady contributor that played well and could stabilize his pairing. That's worth more to us than a third.

Making room for Edvinsson and AlJo was a good move. They're our second and third best defensemen right now.

Choosing to make room by getting rid of good players- Walman and Maatta- so that we could keep/sign bad players- Chiarot, Petry, Gus and Holl- was a bad move.

In sum total, sure it's a net positive and I'm ultimately happy with the way it's working out for the most part. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't criticize the mistakes we made and try to do better going forward.

If you win a hockey game 7-6, you can both be happy that your offense scored 7 goals and upset that your defense let in 6. Our amateur scouting did a great job. Our pro scouting did a terrible job.

Walman/Maatta-Seider
Ed-AlJo
Maatta/Walman-Chiarot/Petry/Holl

Is a defense that I'd much prefer to

Chiarot-Seider
Ed-AlJo
Holl/Gus-Petry/Gus
and there's no real reason that we couldn't have the former.

Had np with the maata deal , opened up a spot for johansson which allowed him to shine and see we have a player here longterm

Walman deal was done to free up space for trouba I'm sure of it otherwise makes no sense . Teams even said they had no idea he was available or they would have paid a price for him

That was an yzerman f*** up, deal should have only made done if the other player was 100% coming. Regardless if walman got dealt later in the season or this summer it was a bad deal

I feel like he are going to get Cozens and or another D man at the deadline.

That's what I was thinking. Everyone's talking pettersson but with the injuries upfront I'm thinking a forward and a dman. I dont know if its sabres though

If they can wait it out and get pettersson I'd wait it out. problem is wait too long pettersson gets control and declines

Cozens and k'andre miller would be sweet top 10 2026 protected 1st though just cause its McKenna draft ... just in case

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Cozens 7.1M for Tarasenko 4.75M + incentives would add 2.35M in cap.

Trouba 8.0M for Holl 3.4M + incentives would add 4.6M in cap.

That would be total 8.95M

And our deadline space is projected to be 10.8M.

It would still leave room 1.85M for Kane/Kasper/Ed bonuses. If all the cap space is not used at the deadline roster, this space would still grow to season end, to include more bonuses not sliding to next year's cap.

Tarasenko wont waive for buffalo

 

[newfy]

Bichsel would take way more than we’d be willingly to give up. He’s their top prospect. Imagine what it’d take for us to give up ASP.

Not really a fair comparison. Dallas has been a top 5-10 franchise the last 5 years or so. Their top prospect isn't going to be the same as a top prospect of a team thats been rebuilding that long.

ASP is a different level of prospect than Bicshel and his upside is way higher. I really like Bicshel and would love it if the wings somehow traded for him but ASP is a different level of prospect

And our deadline space is projected to be 10.8M.

I read last night that its closer to 14 million now with the Husso trade. Yzerman can basically do whatever he wants at the deadline now with no restrictions

 

[HisNoodliness]

You make some moves for the long-term plan, which was always those prospects.

That's why the moves were made. Good or bad.

Many times the priority will be:

1. Keeping the best players.
2. Can't trade bad players, because they are bad.
3. So you trade the players who are wanted elsewhere --> to open the spots for our own kid core who'll deserve it.

It's pretty simple.

I honestly understand the logic that the team used.

Everybody loves Chiarot. It makes no sense to me so I think he just knows how to talk to NHL management and coaches. Half the league has this weird blind spot for him where he can be terrible night after night and he doesn't get the third liner/healthy scratch minutes he deserves. He also has a 10 team NTC.

Next, Holl is immovable because he's noticeably bad every time he plays, we decided to bench him for over half of the season we acquired him in and he still had 2 years on his deal (1.5 now) at too much money. He also has a 10 team NTC.

Petry is terrible so no one wants him. Plus he wants to be in Detroit and has a NTC.

We just signed Gus and have been spending the year hoping that his rough start would turn around- which it sort of has under McLellan, though I'd say now he's just bad instead of absolutely terrible.

I understand why we made the choices that we did and I still think we made the wrong choices. All of the lame excuses above can be overcome. And if they can't, that's arguably a worse condemnation of our pro scouting on defense. It just means that instead of the mistake being this year when we moved good players, our mistakes happened when we acquired players so bad that we now can't be rid of them.