Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner

[Jack Bauer]

I'd love to see how people ranked those 5 guys before the trade

Now they would have never made the team

This year none of them would have.

In the future they were, at best, bottom of the roster talent.

We will turn the assets we get for them into future draft picks that could be the same players in terms of calibre but come along at a better time development wise and have the advantage of being Hunter picks rather then Nonis/Burke picks that Hunter inherited.

Some people were higher on Finn and Nilsson but not for anything more then a #6/7 D.

 

[Hounsy]

Really it equates to me that they would rather try and take a shot at acquiring more upcoming picks via deadline deals than continue to develop the guys shipped out in this deal.

 

[deletethis]

Still no room for PTO's with 13 forwards under contract. Other forwards will have to be moved/demoted to make room for any one of the long shots Boyes, Setoguichi or Glencross.

 

[Shwaguy*]

This is what happens when you're rebuilding. You end up having logjams of meh prospects so you convert them into a decent player.

Now we can sign guys like Glencross, Seto, Boyes, and hopefully convert some of them into picks.

Wish we coulda held onto Carter though

 

[Smif]

Well you have to at some point. You can keep all 7-8 guys you draft every year until their are 25.

So, basically we're telling the 10-15 kids we pick each year that they have two years to prove something to us or they're out. Meanwhile, we sign a boatload of nobodies to 1 year deals so we can flip them for late picks so we can then choose even more kids that we have to ship out in two years.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Mess]

Leafs gave up prospect numbers

16. Matt Finn -- 45.73%

19. Carter Verhaeghe -- 21.57%

27. Tom Nilsson -- 31.03%

30. Chris Gibson -- 31.78%

and A 4th liner for a decent NHL player

How are giving up these prospects suddenly the end of the world for Torontos rebuild? Comon guys use your minds for the long term plan.

(Rankings by Leafs fans on the Leafs board)

Beck was acquired by dumping Jamie "Mr. Testosterone" Devane another prospect with 0 NHL potential.

 

[Joey Hoser]

So, basically we're telling the 10-15 kids we pick each year that they have two years to prove something to us or they're out. Meanwhile, we sign a boatload of nobodies to 1 year deals so we can flip them for late picks so we can then choose even more kids that we have to ship out in two years.

There's a limit of 50 contracts per team
It's mathematically impossible not to turn them over.

Turning your rotating bottom-end prospects into an NHL player like Grabner before they expire and are replaced seems like good asset management to me.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Leafs gave up prospect numbers

16. Matt Finn -- 45.73%

19. Carter Verhaeghe -- 21.57%

27. Tom Nilsson -- 31.03%

30. Chris Gibson -- 31.78%

and A 4th liner for a decent NHL player

How are giving up these prospects suddenly the end of the world for Torontos rebuild? Comon guys use your minds for the long term plan.

(Rankings by Leafs fans on the Leafs board)

It's not the end of the rebuild. But I see it as an attempt to open up contract spots, and we executed that badly.

I find it rather amusing that suddenly you see people say that a 20-year old Verhaeghe, after a strong junior career, has zero chance to reach NHL.

 

[dubey]

At least a pick in our direction...

Can't sign the PTOs and trade them for picks if they don't have open contract spots

 

[Crysis]

For 5 depth roster players.

The trade is essentially those 5 kids with limited NHL potential for Grabner, Glencross, Boyes, Setoguchi and a Fraser or Joly.

Hard to argue with that logic.

Very true, could be more than a few very nice draft picks coming back from that group.

 

[LeafsNation149]

JVR-Kadri-PAP
Lupul-Holland-Grabner
Boyes-Spalling-Panik
Winnik-Arcobello-Komarov
Matthias

 

[Budsfan]

Toronto Maple Leafs GM Lou Lamoriello says new Maple Leaf Michael Grabner is "no question" one of the top penalty killers in the league, and his quickness regularly pushes back the defence of opponents.

http://pmd.fan590.com/audio_on_demand-3/Lou-Lamoriello-media-scrum-newser-20150917-Interview.mp3

I wasn't aware of his ability to Penalty kill and obviously his speed and back checking, are a big plus for Babcock and Lemaire, where they will play him is a bit of a mystery but with these attributes and his goal scoring, you would think 1st or 2nd line but not sure?

 

[p.l.f.]

Well we have 19 invites I see
Now this

 

[Jack Bauer]

I, for one, have a long track record of calling Matt Finn garbage.

I was high on him until his 19yr old season in the OHL when he took a step back. He's never got back to the level he was before he was drafted.

 

[SprDaVE]

So, basically we're telling the 10-15 kids we pick each year that they have two years to prove something to us or they're out. Meanwhile, we sign a boatload of nobodies to 1 year deals so we can flip them for late picks so we can then choose even more kids that we have to ship out in two years.

We're not telling them anything. Not every prospect makes the NHL. Not even the ones that perform well at the Junior and AHL level.

Leafs probably weren't impressed with their development. Those prospects were all somewhat passed over by other prospects. It's not like they dominated their respective Junior league. They were from a previous regime as well.

It's a business after all. Leafs had other needs and trading those younger players achieved that. They aren't giving up on top prospects.

 

[Leafidelity]

So, basically we're telling the 10-15 kids we pick each year that they have two years to prove something to us or they're out. Meanwhile, we sign a boatload of nobodies to 1 year deals so we can flip them for late picks so we can then choose even more kids that we have to ship out in two years.

Well yeah, it's the NHL. Every team trims prospect fat every year. It's just more this year because we brought more picks in.

 

[mcleex]

Leafs gave up prospect numbers

16. Matt Finn -- 45.73%

19. Carter Verhaeghe -- 21.57%

27. Tom Nilsson -- 31.03%

30. Chris Gibson -- 31.78%

and A 4th liner for a decent NHL player

How are giving up these prospects suddenly the end of the world for Torontos rebuild? Comon guys use your minds for the long term plan.

(Rankings by Leafs fans on the Leafs board)

Dude this is HF Boards. Where a draft pick is worth more than gold. Even if its a 6th round draft pick it is worth more than Crosby ... Because that pick has a chance of turning into a Crosby

 

[Semantics]

Writing kids off in their early 20's is suppose to be what we don't do anymore.

Since when? You can't keep around a bunch of dead weight prospects who aren't showing much potential or progression until they get bored of hockey and retire. That was never part of the plan. It's just not feasible with a 50 contract limit and limited roster spots on the Marlies.

What the plan *should* be is to draft/acquire as many young prospects as possible and prune the worst ones and the ones that aren't making progress. The Leafs problem in the past was giving up on *good* young players like Steen, Rask, and Stralman. Those guys were never among our worst 50 players with contracts and we gave up on them anyway.

 

[Lucafen4]

Still no room for PTO's with 13 forwards under contract. Other forwards will have to be moved/demoted to make room for any one of the long shots Boyes, Setoguichi or Glencross.

I wouldn't call Boyes a long shot... he's actually better than Lupul over the past 3 years. He should be all but a lock...

http://thehockeywriters.com/brad-boyes-vs-joffrey-lupul-statistical-analysis/

Why are people on here still in such a RUSH to get our prospects to the Leafs?? patience young grasshopper.... let's breed a dominating - winning mentality on the Marlies rather than promote to a mediocre/struggling team and create meh players again.

 

[LeafsNation149]

It's not the end of the rebuild. But I see it as an attempt to open up contract spots, and we executed that badly.

I find it rather amusing that suddenly you see people say that a 20-year old Verhaeghe, after a strong junior career, has zero chance to reach NHL.

I always liked Verhaeghe but lets be real, he had no chance on the Leafs. Who was he gonna beat out? Marner Nylander Kadri Holland Gauthier

 

[ACC1224]

Essentially it is.

New management bringing in their own prospects and players and moving former ones out.

Hunter has no attachment to any previously drafted players under previous regimes and as such deemed them expendable.

Leafs prospect pool under Burke was ranked #29 out of 30 and then under Nonis as GM it moved to #27 and now in the past year since Shanny and Hunter have arrived it has improved significantly.

Finn & Verhaeghe & Nilsson were all apart of those low ranked prospect pool rankings and replaced now with better prospects and deemed expendable by Hunter in the effort to continue the draft rebuild and "scorched earth" process.

They needed contract spots so they moved out some of the older prospects to do so. Pretty much the extent of it.

 

[Jack Bauer]

So, basically we're telling the 10-15 kids we pick each year that they have two years to prove something to us or they're out. Meanwhile, we sign a boatload of nobodies to 1 year deals so we can flip them for late picks so we can then choose even more kids that we have to ship out in two years.

No, we're telling the kids drafted by the last regime to perform or be prepared to be playing for another organization.

How can anyone not see the logic/rationale behind this?

 

[Lucafen4]

JVR-Kadri-PAP
Lupul-Holland-Grabner
Boyes-Spalling-Panik
Winnik-Arcobello-Komarov
Matthias

Am I missing something?? Where's Bozak?

 

[Smif]

Can't sign the PTOs and trade them for picks if they don't have open contract spots

Don't sign the PTO's then...

Mark Fraser or Tom Nilsson, who would you pick? These PTO's are way overrated around here.