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Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

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GoAwayPanarin said:
I'd almost Drury not acquire his LD right now.

Not that it isn't a need (it's still this team's biggest one) but I don't like the options that have been publicly available. Ferraro or Soucy is just rebranding Lindgren.

I'd want no part of Power+this coaching staff. If they fire Lavi and some how get David Carle to agree to come here I'd be all over it though.
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I agree in principal but the way this TDL is shaping up (sellers market) potentially Drury might be able to do a hockey trade to his LD.
 
Really too bad that a borderline team legend is rumored to have been one of the principle laggarts/miscontents.

A messy divorce may cost Kreider a banner. Maybe he wins the cup and gets the last laugh, who knows.
 
Boris Zubov said:
Seems like we know who our mutinous ring leader is. It sucks because I'm a big fan of his, but it seems like this has run its course. Both sides need a clean break & it's certain to happen either now or over the summer.
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He's one of the holdovers from the roster during the days of strome and Turk. I don't think the majority of the people realize what was going on during that time. You had moments that the coach openly criticized players, their commitment, the way they played, their lack of willingness to listen to the coaching staff and players that actually spoke out against what the coaches said in public. Strome and kreider or two of those guys. It's not rocket science to figure out what happened here. For all the crap that trouba that took, he wasn't accountability guy that wanted more from his teammates much the same way Miller does, but Miller's play is at a much higher level where he can demand that from his teammates while still playing at a super high level. What becomes cancerous with a team like this is the idea that we're good enough to win with the effort that we're putting in instead of the idea that we need to work harder to win those games in just a little bit more training or a little bit more commitment or a little bit smarter hockey will make that difference to push team over the edge. The group that's getting purged right now is the former instead of the latter. Is it coincidence that once Mika got away from ck his game has changed A bit? He still has his flaws but his game over his all has definitely shifted
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
I would really like to see him get one more power play goal. He deserves that at least.
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I agree, he's earned it.

It's a shame his legacy on the team is gonna end this way, especially standing up to a GM who isn't very likeable, but his actions have consequences & it basically convinced a team to tank a season. Really not a good look.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
Panarin +/- to la
Mikko +/- to nyr
Fiala +/- to canes

I actually think Panarin would have a bigger impact on the kings than mikko would based on the lack of passing and creativity in the King's offense, that's exactly what Panarin brings. Panarin dominates the puck to make plays and mikko isn't that type of player. Kings are a heavy team and kind absorb Panarin's deficiencies better than say nyr can
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I don't see LA down w/a perimeter guy, even a high end one
 
Fitzy said:
Really too bad that a borderline team legend is rumored to have been one of the principle laggarts/miscontents.

A messy divorce may cost Kreider a banner. Maybe he wins the cup and gets the last laugh, who knows.
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He'll be rejuvenated like Gaborik once he goes somewhere he wont be held as accountable as he is here. Unfortunately when you are a 13 year veteran of the team, you're held to a higher standard. Same reason Mika gets ridden hard. Is he really that upset over Jim Ramsay being fired, and the fact that he's in trade rumors? Childish, frat house stuff.
 
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bernmeister said:
I don't see LA down w/a perimeter guy, even a high end one
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Mikko is a high-end version of the type of players that they always have, fiala was supposed to break that mold a little bit with some elite skill. Sometimes teams need a different element plugged into them to help the roster overall become more effective. I think it's a perfect place four bread, he can go there and do his thing, help run the power play, and not necessarily need to be the guy that everybody's looking at all the time. It's the same exact thing as Gabby
 
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bleedblue94 said:
He's one of the holdovers from the roster during the days of strome and Turk. I don't think the majority of the people realize what was going on during that time. You had moments that the coach openly criticized players, their commitment, the way they played, their lack of willingness to listen to the coaching staff and players that actually spoke out against what the coaches said in public. Strome and kreider or two of those guys. It's not rocket science to figure out what happened here. For all the crap that trouba that took, he wasn't accountability guy that wanted more from his teammates much the same way Miller does, but Miller's play is at a much higher level where he can demand that from his teammates while still playing at a super high level. What becomes cancerous with a team like this is the idea that we're good enough to win with the effort that we're putting in instead of the idea that we need to work harder to win those games in just a little bit more training or a little bit more commitment or a little bit smarter hockey will make that difference to push team over the edge. The group that's getting purged right now is the former instead of the latter. Is it coincidence that once Mika got away from ck his game has changed A bit? He still has his flaws but his game over his all has definitely shifted
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It was obvious Strome was a problem when he would bitch front & center to the media telling them that Quinn needed to trust them more when they were playing pond hockey. Quinn wasn't a great coach, but even he could see that style of hockey is never going to carry a team very far in the long run. I didn't realize at the time that Kreider was on the same page as Strome in that context.

All good things come to an end, but this core needed to be gutted after last years exit. Drury should've started last summer with Tuba & Lindgren, but here we are.
 
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Mikko is a high-end version of the type of players that they always have, fiala was supposed to break that mold a little bit with some elite skill. Sometimes teams need a different element plugged into them to help the roster overall become more effective. I think it's a perfect place four bread, he can go there and do his thing, help run the power play, and not necessarily need to be the guy that everybody's looking at all the time. It's the same exact thing as Gabby
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Id like Rantanen on the Rangers. He's the type who is more in the mold of JT than Mika/Panarin. Not so sure about the contract he wants, but Im open to discussions. People are really underrating him since the trade.
 
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In regards to Kreider, I have it on good authority (see the postscript for that) that the franchise would have loved it for him to be a captain type but he is an oddball, possibly too intelligent/introspective for it. Read into that as you will, but in two separate conversations the words "head case" were uttered when talking about Chris.

By "good authority" I'm talking directly out of the mouth of several former Rangers, a few of which were working with the team or still do in some capacity who were surprisingly candid with a complete stranger of a Ranger fan asking a question about what they thought of such player. Those unsolicited responses are in and of itself, very telling. This was years ago, but take it for what its worth.

I dont think the view of him around the club was ever very peachy.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
In regards to Kreider, I have it on good authority (see the postscript for that) that the franchise would have loved it for him to be a captain type but he is an oddball, possibly too intelligent/introspective for it. Read into that as you will, but In two separate conversations the words "head case" were uttered when talking about Chris.

By "good authority" I'm talking directly out of the mouth of several former Rangers, a few of which were working with the team or still do in some capacity who were surprisingly candid with a complete stranger of a Ranger fan asking a question about what they thought of such player. This was years ago, but take it for what its worth.

I dont think the view of him around the club was never very peachy.
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Weird that they extended him if that's the case, but he always had that introspective, sensitive aspect to him. that probably endeared him to the organization when the team had no expectations during the rebuild. it becomes more of a problem when the team became a contender and all of our leaders were soft silent types (sans trouba who is the meatiest of meatheads). a lack of accountability among the core group has been an issue throughout these last few years. they've always left meat on the bone in the playoffs.
 
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it's nice that Drury is targeting a LD but i'd rather he wait and just sign one in the offseason instead of giving up assets to help this team lose the first round in 6 games instead of 5.
 
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