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Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner

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showtime8 said:
Unloading a bunch of tweener contracts, for a guy that will help for this year and can walk at the end of the season isn't the worst idea.
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For something that doesn't sound like the worst idea ever....it sounds pretty bad.

After all who cares about help for this year? This is a throwaway year. Especially for a guy who isn't likely to be here past next season. We just unloaded a bunch of prospects for signing space...that is pretty minimal value.

I'm hardly going to miss these guys that much but....this isn't a good trade overall.
 
It's a flexibility move, with the Leafs adding a guy who they are probably banking on just scoring enough to get some good value at the TD.

As for the prospects, I think Verhaeghe/Finn were seen as two that would be hard-pressed for ice-time with the Marlies. Nylander/Gauthier will be groomed more directly with the club in top-nine roles. Then the potential of Carrick/Rupert (who both probably more suited for bottom-six, centre roles in the AHL. This is not even mentioned Froese who really came on the scene last year. And on the wings it's even worse in trying to find him a spot.

Finn after having a bad season last year, wasn't really impressive at the rookie-tournament. I don't think his skating has come far enough. Again, another player hard-pressed to get the kind of ice-time one would want from a 2nd rounder. Percy/Loov/Valiev/Harrington all seen as better players for the future (at the moment). And then also having Granberg on the IR will change things when he returns. This same reasoning probably goes for Nilsson too.

Moving Gibson looks interesting since he was their #1, but the Marlies really had 1a, 1b, 1c. I don't think they look at any of them and go 'goalie of the future', but that's OK if they feel one of Bernier/Reimer can hold fort since both are still on the right side of 30.

Beck if anything is a bottom-six guy among a plethora of them.

Sometimes it's not that a player is a 'bust', but that the teams know they don't have development room for them to grow as players. Maybe some will flourish in NY, but hard to see them doing so here.
 
Mess said:
There goes the Burke prospect pool and Leafs have been trying to #Deburkenize the Leafs.

Lots of free contracts free-up in a 5-1 deal.

Mark Hunter is behind this and sees no value in the prospects as did fans with players like Finn and Carter Verhaeghe etc.
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:laugh: I'm sure that was the motivation behind the trade.
 
John-Eric Iannicello said:
It's a flexibility move, with the Leafs adding a guy who they are probably banking on just scoring enough to get some good value at the TD.

As for the prospects, I think Verhaeghe/Finn were seen as two that would be hard-pressed for ice-time with the Marlies. Nylander/Gauthier will be groomed more directly with the club in top-nine roles. Then the potential of Carrick/Rupert (who both probably more suited for bottom-six, centre roles in the AHL. This is not even mentioned Froese who really came on the scene last year. And on the wings it's even worse in trying to find him a spot.

Finn after having a bad season last year, wasn't really impressive at the rookie-tournament. I don't think his skating has come far enough. Again, another player hard-pressed to get the kind of ice-time one would want from a 2nd rounder. Percy/Loov/Valiev/Harrington all seen as better players for the future (at the moment). And then also having Granberg on the IR will change things when he returns. This same reasoning probably goes for Nilsson too.

Moving Gibson looks interesting since he was their #1, but the Marlies really had 1a, 1b, 1c. I don't think they look at any of them and go 'goalie of the future', but that's OK if they feel one of Bernier/Reimer can hold fort since both are still on the right side of 30.

Beck if anything is a bottom-six guy among a plethora of them.

Sometimes it's not that a player is a 'bust', but that the teams know they don't have development room for them to grow as players. Maybe some will flourish in NY, but hard to see them doing so here.
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Agree on this !!
 
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen! WHY? Contracts? Ok, i get it, but that's a lot of value to heap into a dumpster for Grabner... WIsh they could have got more ... but i understand why it had to happen. The bright side of it is that none of the players traded are likely to make a big impact at the NHL level, but they were still nice prospects and this is a heck of a dump. It looks ... amateur honestly, if it weren't realistic to say that none of the players moved are very high on the depth chart. Beck, not interested, Verhaeghe had some intrigue but he's no Andreas Johnson, and they aren't both making the team. Bibeau has way higher potential upside than Gibson, and Sparks has played at least as well. Matt Finn is 4th or 5th among d-prospects in the system right now so it's fair to be realistic. Of them all, Tom Nilsson is the one i worry most will bite the leafs. No scoring, but a heck of a physical, positional game that would make him a long time NHLer ... as a #5 or #6. This is 100% about contract limits, and none of the players moved are dumb to move ... but it still hurts.
 
Mess said:
We recently ranked Leafs prospect poll on this board and there is a thread listing the top 30 Fan poll results on our board here.
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And here it is. I got shredded for thinking Finn was way overrated here.

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chilfactor said:
I'd love to see how people ranked those 5 guys before the trade

Now they would have never made the team
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http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1938161

The highest ranked one is Finn, ranked down at number 14. CV is at number 19, and Nilsson is number 27. So yeah, I'm pretty sure most people didn't expect them to make the team anyways (or didn't have very high hopes for them).

EDIT: the list was posted right before my comment
 
ACC1224 said:
:laugh: I'm sure that was the motivation behind the trade.
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Essentially it is.

New management bringing in their own prospects and players and moving former ones out.

Hunter has no attachment to any previously drafted players under previous regimes and as such deemed them expendable.

Leafs prospect pool under Burke was ranked #29 out of 30 and then under Nonis as GM it moved to #27 and now in the past year since Shanny and Hunter have arrived it has improved significantly.

Finn & Verhaeghe & Nilsson were all apart of those low ranked prospect pool rankings and replaced now with better prospects and deemed expendable by Hunter in the effort to continue the draft rebuild and "scorched earth" process.
 
i think the acquisitions of Harrington & Marincin did Nilsson in - leap frogged by both easily on the depth chart.

Beck... meh...

Verhaeghe... was he lacking pure skill/compete level that is required under the new management?

Gibson... lets be honest, none of our Goalies are blue chippers and none have obvious ceilings above NHL back-up

Finn, another overhyped Burke prospect & everyone drank the kool-aid. In 2-3 years, Valiev, Dermott, Percy, Harrington and perhaps Loov will have all left him as an AHL lifer on the depth chart...

I won't miss any of them... none of them ever had me that excited.
 
Jack Bauer said:
For 5 depth roster players.

The trade is essentially those 5 kids with limited NHL potential for Grabner, Glencross, Boyes, Setoguchi and a Fraser or Joly.

Hard to argue with that logic.
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That's not good logic.

Writing kids off in their early 20's is suppose to be what we don't do anymore.
 
I like it and understand the motive behind it.. Saw someone saying Jack Campbell will be waiver eligible this year. I wonder if we are targeting him on waivers. Would be an upgrade on Gibson and adds another goalie prospect to the system
 
Marner to the Leafs said:
I like it and understand the motive behind it.. Saw someone saying Jack Campbell will be waiver eligible this year. I wonder if we are targeting him on waivers. Would be an upgrade on Gibson and adds another goalie prospect to the system
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You don't pick up a player from waivers only to re-waive him for the AHL.

So if Reimer and Bernier are still here and healthy, we won't be claiming any goaltenders from the waiver wire.

You can expect Sparks and Bibeau to compete for the Marlies job. Madore will be the fifth stringer for now.
 
A bunch of nothing prospects for the most part. Hope they can turn Grabner into something decent at the trade deadline.
 
Leafs gave up prospect numbers

16. Matt Finn -- 45.73%

19. Carter Verhaeghe -- 21.57%

27. Tom Nilsson -- 31.03%

30. Chris Gibson -- 31.78%

and A 4th liner for a decent NHL player

How are giving up these prospects suddenly the end of the world for Torontos rebuild? Comon guys use your minds for the long term plan.

(Rankings by Leafs fans on the Leafs board)
 
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