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Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner

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Alright so our winger situation might look deepish again
JVR/Lupul/PAP/Glenx/Winnik/Boyes
 
So looks like NYI saw Grabner as a $5 mil liability and the Leafs did them a favour there. Meanwhile, the Leafs saw 0 potential in those 5 prospects, and the Isles did them a favour by absorbing their contracts.

Not a huge deal, but definitely looks like NYI gets the most benefit out of this. At worst, they save $5 mil, at best, one or 2 of those prospect lottery tickets hits.
 
The Leafs still have 13 forwards (not including Horton) under NHL contracts. Something else will have to give before even one of Setoguichi, Boyes or Glencross take a roster spot. Seto is most likely finished. Boyes is as perimeter as Grabner.
 
Pheasant the peasant said:
How can people complain that we are giving away prospects? I've seen like 4 threads eventually end up discussing how we have so many picks and prospects that we can't fit them all. A guy like Casey Bailey, with a legit chance to play NHL games this season, ranked in the 20's on our prospect list.

In the "how many picks can we acquire" thread some posters were saying we will have to let decent prospects walk in the near future to fit all the upcoming picks in the 50 contract limit. I myself said "We could see some prospect depth moved for modest returns, also. Colborne for a 4th. Ashton and Broll moved for a conditional 6th. That kind of thing." (link)

So now that we do trim some of the fat, everyone is up in arms? We gave up long-shot prospects, and replaceable parts for a top 6 forward, AND flexibility to make more changes.

Win-win.
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The whole idea with having a deep prospect pool that you don't have room for them all is to utilize that to constantly revitalize the prospect pool with future picks, not bunching them together and giving them away.
 
Kurtz said:
So looks like NYI saw Grabner as a $5 mil liability and the Leafs did them a favour there. Meanwhile, the Leafs saw 0 potential in those 5 prospects, and the Isles did them a favour by absorbing their contracts.

Not a huge deal, but definitely looks like NYI gets the most benefit out of this. At worst, they save $5 mil, at best, one or 2 of those prospect lottery tickets hits.
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But then you have to consider if we can manage to flip Grabner for a 2nd at the deadline
 
I could easily see Grabner putting up 20 goals on this roster if he earns a spot in the top six. Gibson and Sparks is a wash in my opinion, one had to go and Sparks is a year younger? I was always interested in seeing Verhaeghe perform at the pro level.

Finn seems destined to play in that UK/British league where Joel Champagne played for a bit before coming home and playing in a beer league as a bottom pairing defenseman so this trade just kind of works.
 
Quares27 said:
You realize term would make him more valuable for both the Leafs and if they were to trade him away? i'm not sure why people are so obsessed with dumping garbage players on expiring deals at the deadline as if its some goldmine. If they play REALLY well (like to their full potential basically, which is unlikely) you might get a 2nd-3rd round pick for them. If not they're here for the season and took icetime from some younger players that could have actually benefited. And with that rare 2nd-3rd we can draft a few more Finns and Verhaeghes just to dump them for absolutely nothing before they even get a chance to prove themselves.

It's a moronic move. We're a rebuilding team giving away guys we recently drafted in the 2nd-4th rounds so that we can bring in some washed up veterans who have a small chance of netting us a 2nd-4th round pick. People will defend anything this management group does. It's one thing to give away Broll, Biggs, Knodel and another to give away players who have actually played well and could turn into something.
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That's how a rebuild works. Bring in a boatload of extra picks/prospects. Some work out and some don't. Within 2 or 3 years of a guy being drafted scouts usually have a very good idea if a player will ever amount to anything.

Management decided that the guys we just gave away weren't going to work out to much if anything.

For the most part the vets aren't stealing icetime from our high quality youngsters like Brown, Kapanen, Leipsic, Marner, Dermott. They are simply letting them develop at the level they should be developing at in this point of their career.
 
I like this move. Personally, I was never big or Verhergeberger. I feel like Finn's development has stalled transitioning to pro. Nilsson has a shot at the NHL but not in any impactful way. Beck is an established depth option. Gibson was a FA signing who LA let walk as a 2nd round pick, and in the foreseeable future even if he ate horseshoes and PEDs for breakfast it'd doubful we'll see him do anything than backup in the NHL (at least in the next 3 years or so).

A lot of the main pieces, Finn and Verhaeghe, were buried below alot of the more established prospect depth and were in tough to crack the AHL team. Nilsson is a victim of a logjam ahead of him on defence to make the Leafs. Gibson and Beck are pretty low upside guys. Leafs moved some of these guys who were in a bad position organizationally and had been buried in some respects for an NHL player and 4 contract spots.

As many alluded to here the deal is shipping out low to mid level prospects, many of whom are either low upside or darkhorses. In return we get 4 contract spots freed up and Michael Grabner. I have a feeling that the extra slots will be used to sign Michael Joly and one or two of the PTO guys. That will replace Verhaeghe and Beck. Also look for a waiver claim (possibly Jarred Tinordi?) to add to the organization. When all is said and done I think it's a good deal for both teams.

Wish the group of Gibson, Beck, Verhaeghe, Finn, and Nilsson all the best of luck with the Islanders. Welcome to Toronto Michael!
 
Finn and verhaeghe were supposed to be elder Estates men at the rookie tourney, they were both out placed by players without contracts.. I believe both would have been in the echl this coming season, not a huge loss. we get equal or greater prospects for free now that we didn't have room for. I like the move a lot, though I did like nilsson, I guess he was the odd one out between loov and granberg..really liked broulliard (spelling probably way off) from limited camp viewing.
 
Unloading a bunch of tweener contracts, for a guy that will help for this year and can walk at the end of the season isn't the worst idea.
 
Nithoniniel said:
The whole idea with having a deep prospect pool that you don't have room for them all is to utilize that to constantly revitalize the prospect pool with future picks, not bunching them together and giving them away.
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I hear you, but the players that will take their place also have a future value.

This is a lot closer to 5 prospects for Grabner, Boyes and Glencross. And those guys will either haul in more at the deadline than the 5 prospects were worth initially, or prove they can help the team and contribute more on the ice than those 5 ever would have.
 
Grabner is a player we could trade at the deadline and bring back a a 2nd and or a prospect, if he has a good year. He is a great penalty killer and would help a team in the playoffs.


I like the flexibility that this move gives us.

The only player we may regret that we moved is Gibson...IMHO.
 
Nithoniniel said:
The whole idea with having a deep prospect pool that you don't have room for them all is to utilize that to constantly revitalize the prospect pool with future picks, not bunching them together and giving them away.
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With that said now we have room to sign a few of those PTOs, that can
A.) Help us this season
B.) Be flipped at TD for a picks, probably better picks.
 
The Beck acquisition was always strange for me because as it turned out I think we've brought in too many depth forwards closing the path for some kids/marliesto try and crack the roster i.e Carrick, Leivo, Hyman, perhaps Nylander if ready; but it turns out to be as much to be moving Devane on which goes with the theme of this trade today.

Finn and Verhaeghe didn't really stand out at the rookie tournament and were out shone by guys like Brouillard, Skladnichenko, Soshnikov, and Vail not to mention some of the guys from the 2014 and 2015 draft years. Finn's mobility will be the biggest hurdle to over come, also if you look at our left side of defence, we're pretty much set. Verhaeghe was a good OHLer, but it does feel like his upside(if he reaches it) is someone like Holland, who we already have obviously.

Gibson was caught in a log-jam, Bibeau I had a ahead of him, and Sparks looks to be in good shape and ready for the AHL full time.

Nilsson the one that may hurt the most right now, but there's a log-jam of depth prospects and players on defence the main club.

But best of luck to them in New York.


For us, we clear four contract spots and opens up a waiver claim, trade, or signing of a guy on a PTO as options now.
 
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Frees up a bunch of contracts plus grabner is injury prone so maybe leafs management are thinking it could open a spot midsession for some prospects to step up?
 
Nithoniniel said:
Not. A. Fan.

Don't like Grabner very much, he's not here for a lot, we trade potential for depth roster player.

Ugh.
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For 5 depth roster players.

The trade is essentially those 5 kids with limited NHL potential for Grabner, Glencross, Boyes, Setoguchi and a Fraser or Joly.

Hard to argue with that logic.
 
We have a number of potentially 20 scoring injury prone wingers.

I understand the move - if our scouts don't think our prospects are more than depth than so be it
 
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