Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner
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Budsfan
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NYI Ryan Strome and Carter Verhaeghe were once OHL teammates.
That's right but both are centers, so not much chance of them on the same line.
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If the Leafs signed Michael Joly to the ELC to replace Carter Verhaeghe, Lucas Peresinni to replace Chris Gibson, Nikolas Brouillard to replace Matt Finn in the prospect pool with the contracts available would Leaf fans be happy?
Woll Smoth
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Peresinni looked like swiss cheese, but hopefully that was an off night for him.
The rest I'm kind of meh on.
Magic Man
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Panik scored at a worse PPG rate than Taylor Beck last year.
If you had another 4 assets of similar value to Panik you could bundle them all up for an expensive negative value asset that you probably have to waste your last retention spot on.
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Weird trade - I suppose they're just trying to clear out some contract space (perhaps expecting some incoming prospects in future trades??). Nothing of value was really lost (or gained for that matter).
They can flip Grabner for futures at the deadline.
Excited that Sparks will likely get to play on the Maies now.
They can flip Grabner for futures at the deadline.
Excited that Sparks will likely get to play on the Maies now.
With the Leafs moving Nylander & Marner back to C this year and Gauthier, Kadri & Holland... there's no place for CV anyway.
Did anyone see Verhaeghe being better than a 3/4 C in the NHL?
at 20 Panik had 41 pts in 64 games in the AHL... Verhaeghe had 82 in 68 with Niagara in the OHL... what made him better at the same age?
Obviously the Leafs didn't believe he had a significant NHL future that fit within their plans, otherwise he'd still be here
Loosie
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Meh....the rankings are always the same.
#1 Current year's first round pick
#2 Last year's first round pick
#3 - #whatever rest of current year's draft picks
then what first round picks are left, and so on.
Magic Man
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No. I'd rather all of the former Leafs prospects and you likely could have signed all 3 of them to AHL contracts to start.
No, instead, don't sign a bunch or nobodies like PAP and Arcobello, and instead, have Leivo up on the big club and keep Verhaeghe and also sign Joly. Doing this imo is much better development than signing guys for the sole purpose of flipping them for late round picks especially when we already have 11 picks next year and we already have guys to move at the deadline.
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Babcocks Marner
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You didn't read the next part...
What if we are in a playoff position loaded with one year deals? Does management still dump the farm? Or do we keep the team and attempt a run?
This team really is not that bad anymore. We are lacking a true #1 line, but besides that, pretty solid. Bernier has a good year and who knows what could happen.
Basically, my point is, we may not get as many picks back as people think. With all these 1 year deals, if the stars align, we could be in a pickle! Now I do highly doubt this, however, it's far from impossible.
8 UFA
6 RFA
4 PTO
Right now, that is what we got, and there is no way in hell we are dumping them all at TDL, let's be a little realistic. So we may end up with a few, but we can't mathematically move them all for picks/prospects since we still need to ice a team.
If we sign 2 PTO's, that is 10 UFAs going into next season (Assuming 1yr deals)
Something has to give or we will be very busy again on July 1st.
Panik scored at a worse PPG rate than Taylor Beck last year.
If you had another 4 assets of similar value to Panik you could bundle them all up for an expensive negative value asset that you probably have to waste your last retention spot on.
Panik was free... Beck for Devane,
who cares if Panik's PPG was worse than John Scott's - he was free.
What's your argument?
You just compared Panik's 20 year old season to Verhaeghe's 19 year old season...
I suppose I should've said at 19 CV is waaaaaay better than Panik at 19 cause they're inbetween seasons.
Are people actually upset about this?
We traded 4 meh prospects (Nilsson is the only one who I thought had an NHL shot) and a 4th liner...
Shouldn't be. Even if Nilsson had a legit shot, not sure he makes it over Harrington & Marincin
None of these prospect to really matter to us.
Verhaeghe is covered by our depth.
Finn wasn't good last year, and wasn't exactly good this past weekend
Gibson I though would be a good replacement of we ever dealt Reimer, but nothing more
Nilsson would have been hard pressed to crack the Marlies roster
Beck... We had to at least send a roster player out.
Grabner is a solid player, but has been plagued by injuries. While some go crazy over that, I'm hoping he can come here, and turn into that player he was 3 years ago again.
Simply, the Leafs got rid of prospects that didn't really fit, and opened up contract spots for guys on pto's, whether it be Boyes, Glencross etc, or Joly, etc.
In all likelyhood, we'll likely look back on this deal, and it won't be of any significance, and it'll be a complete wash
Verhaeghe is covered by our depth.
Finn wasn't good last year, and wasn't exactly good this past weekend
Gibson I though would be a good replacement of we ever dealt Reimer, but nothing more
Nilsson would have been hard pressed to crack the Marlies roster
Beck... We had to at least send a roster player out.
Grabner is a solid player, but has been plagued by injuries. While some go crazy over that, I'm hoping he can come here, and turn into that player he was 3 years ago again.
Simply, the Leafs got rid of prospects that didn't really fit, and opened up contract spots for guys on pto's, whether it be Boyes, Glencross etc, or Joly, etc.
In all likelyhood, we'll likely look back on this deal, and it won't be of any significance, and it'll be a complete wash
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Peresinni was OHL 1st All-Star and OHL Goaltender of the year in 2014-15 season.
Perhaps Hunter might believe he has more potential than Gibson.
Brouillard was the highest scoring Dmen in the Q and that might be better than ECHL Matt Finn as a better prospect.
Michael Joly scored the winning goal for Rimouski in the QMJHL playoffs and and leading goal scorer in the Memorial cup.
A case can be made for all 3 to get Leaf contracts to replace the departed prospects. IMO
It will be interesting when you trade 5 for 1 who the Leafs fill those other 4 contracts with in the future.
Babcocks Marner
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Because they knew they were not re-signing him. We can't do that with 10 players......
Either way you look at it, we will have to re-sign, or have a lot of holes after the season.
My assumption is massive prospects coming in next year to fill half, followed by more 1 year FA deals on July 1st.
But if we are near a playoff position, that could change moving people for picks/prospects. We are notorious for that, although I have higher hopes in this management.
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I'd be very surprised if they were targeting Grabner, just as the Isles weren't after these prospects. Seems like they wanted to dump 5 mil and the Leafs needed contract spots.
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